Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

[Tor]

Den 26. nov. 2015 kl. 21.53 skrev Joachim :
> 
> The question is: Are there somewhere on this world non-compulsory
> cycle lanes (cycleway=lane)?

Yes, cycle lanes are not compulsory in Norway, neither are cycleways.

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Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

[Hubert]

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:31:59 +
Philip Barnes  wrote:

> One question, if cyclelane use is compulory, are you allowed to not
> use it if you are overtaking slower cyclists?

It depends on the type of cycle lane in Germany. 
If it's a "strict" (not a legal name) cycle lane (Radfahrstreifen, solid line 
with bicycle marking and blue traffic sign, [1]) it's not allowed to leave the 
cycle way when passing another cyclist. 
If it's a "soft" (again, not a legal name) cycle lane (Schutzstreifen), dashed 
line with bicycle marking and no traffic sign, [2]) then it's OK. The 
compulsoriness to use such a cycle lane is due to the "Rechtsfahrgebot", 
meaning an obligation to drive as far right as possible (, if possible). (I 
hope I got that right.) 

Hubert

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Z237Radfahrstreifen.jpeg 
[2] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Schutzstreifen_Schlachthof_Karlsruhe.jpg



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Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

[Philip Barnes]

On Sat, 2015-11-28 at 14:46 +0100, Tor wrote:
> Den 26. nov. 2015 kl. 21.53 skrev Joachim :
> > 
> > The question is: Are there somewhere on this world non-compulsory
> > cycle lanes (cycleway=lane)?
> 
> Yes, cycle lanes are not compulsory in Norway, neither are cycleways.
> 
Ditto the UK.

One question, if cyclelane use is compulory, are you allowed to not use
it if you are overtaking slower cyclists?

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:31:59 +
Philip Barnes  wrote:

> One question, if cyclelane use is compulory, are you allowed to not
> use it if you are overtaking slower cyclists?

AFAIK there is no exception for that in Poland.

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Re: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments

[Dudley Ibbett]

A requested, a few thoughts.

This can get vary complicated and confusing given the size and complexity of 
many hospitals and the different local naming that can be used.  

You may want to consider using two tags.  One for the actual name used within 
the hospital to describe the facility and one for the actual speciality.  Our 
local hospital has a "Puffin" ward for example.  It is actually the Children's 
ward.  If you were using a map to try and find it you would want the local name 
but it would also be helpful to know the speciality.  So perhaps, name=* & 
healthcare:speciality=*

Most of the specialities are listed under the healthcare tag so this would be a 
good place to start.  A few are missing.  

Most people will want to know the entrance to the particular facility within 
the hospital.  If there is an external entrance you could consider putting the 
name=* and healthcare:speciality=* tag on the entrance=* tag.  Otherwise, I 
guess this is indoor mapping of groups of rooms that make up the particular 
department, ward, unit theatre etc.Perhaps a single node at the position of 
the entrance to the facility within the building with the local name, the 
healthcare speciality and the floor level would be a simple first step.  

Regards

Dudley



> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
> From: t.pfei...@computer.org
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 15:51:21 +0100
> Subject: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments
> 
> I would like to sync the distinctive criterion when to use amenity=hospital 
> or amenity=clinic.
> 
> The hospital page says "often but not always providing for longer-term 
> patient stays"
> which is a bit fuzzy, while the clinic page clearly says it is a hospital 
> when it
> "offers inpatient care (beds for long stays)".
> 
> Thus having in-patient beds would be a good criterion, which could be 
> clarified on the hospital page.
> 
> Oxford defines hospital as
> "an institution providing medical and surgical treatment and nursing care 
> for sick or injured people."
> thus includes the nursing care.
> 
> Or are there any clear cases of hospitals that do not have in-patients?
> 
> Another clarification that would be necessary is how to tag hospital 
> departments.
> The wiki discourages the repetition of amenity=hospital, and recommends to use
> building=hospital on buildings.
> 
> The buildings can be used for naming departments/stations/wards. I becomes 
> tricky
> however when these stations are just in different levels. Maybe some tagging 
> from
> the healthcare proposals would help.
> 
> In any case, I would not want any amenity=[clinic|doctors|hospital] nodes 
> within
> the amenity=hospital campus area (as long as they are operated by the 
> hospital, and
> not e.g. a private surgery renting space there).
> 
> However I have seen mappers been tempted to tag departments as amenity=clinic,
> mainly because some hospital departments like to call themselves "Clinic of 
> ABC therapy".
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments

[Tom Pfeifer]

Yes of course the healthcare* tags and the entrance=* can be used. So it seems
you agree that we should not use another amenity=[clinic|doctors|hospital] 
within
the amenity=hospital campus, which is the core of this discussion.

tom

Dudley Ibbett wrote on 2015/11/28 19:27:

A requested, a few thoughts.

This can get vary complicated and confusing given the size and complexity of 
many hospitals and the different local naming that can be used.

You may want to consider using two tags.  One for the actual name used within the 
hospital to describe the facility and one for the actual speciality.  Our local hospital 
has a "Puffin" ward for example.  It is actually the Children's ward.  If you 
were
using a map to try and find it you would want the local name but it would also be 
helpful to know the speciality.  So perhaps, name=* & healthcare:speciality=*

Most of the specialities are listed under the healthcare tag so this would be a 
good place to start.  A few are missing.

Most people will want to know the entrance to the particular facility within 
the hospital.  If there is an external entrance you could consider putting the 
name=* and healthcare:speciality=* tag on the entrance=* tag.  Otherwise, I 
guess this is indoor
mapping of groups of rooms that make up the particular department, ward, unit 
theatre etc.Perhaps a single node at the position of the entrance to the 
facility within the building with the local name, the healthcare speciality and 
the floor level would
be a simple first step.

Regards

Dudley

 > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
 > From: t.pfei...@computer.org
 > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 15:51:21 +0100
 > Subject: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments
 >
 > I would like to sync the distinctive criterion when to use amenity=hospital 
or amenity=clinic.
 >
 > The hospital page says "often but not always providing for longer-term patient 
stays"
 > which is a bit fuzzy, while the clinic page clearly says it is a hospital 
when it
 > "offers inpatient care (beds for long stays)".
 >
 > Thus having in-patient beds would be a good criterion, which could be 
clarified on the hospital page.
 >
 > Oxford defines hospital as
 > "an institution providing medical and surgical treatment and nursing care for 
sick or injured people."
 > thus includes the nursing care.
 >
 > Or are there any clear cases of hospitals that do not have in-patients?
 >
 > Another clarification that would be necessary is how to tag hospital 
departments.
 > The wiki discourages the repetition of amenity=hospital, and recommends to 
use
 > building=hospital on buildings.
 >
 > The buildings can be used for naming departments/stations/wards. I becomes 
tricky
 > however when these stations are just in different levels. Maybe some tagging 
from
 > the healthcare proposals would help.
 >
 > In any case, I would not want any amenity=[clinic|doctors|hospital] nodes 
within
 > the amenity=hospital campus area (as long as they are operated by the 
hospital, and
 > not e.g. a private surgery renting space there).
 >
 > However I have seen mappers been tempted to tag departments as 
amenity=clinic,
 > mainly because some hospital departments like to call themselves "Clinic of ABC 
therapy".
 >
 > Thoughts?
 >



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Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

[Volker Schmidt]

>
> One question, if cyclelane use is compulory, are you allowed to not use
> it if you are overtaking slower cyclists?
>
> In Italy there are two answers:
1) legally no. I asked that question explicitly to an expert friend. Worse:
if the cycle lane is blocked by an illeglly parked vehicle, you have to
dismount and use the sidewalk, if present to walk your bicycle around the
vehicle.
2) practically you can do it, when it's safe.

The legal aspect is obviously important in case of an accident.
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Re: [Tagging] Proposed Feature Adoption

[Dominic Coletti]

I am sorry about that. I had all intentions of doing so last night, but
completely forgot. Here it is:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tag:adoption_agency

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:53 AM Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Can you save us all a lot of time and provide the link to the proposal?
>
> Thanks,
> clifford
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Dominic Coletti  > wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have proposed a new tag for tagging adoption agencies:
>> office=adoption_agency. It is currently in "Draft" mode, but I am seeking
>> comments from the community in order to refine the proposition.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dominic Coletti
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