Re: [Tagging] Tagging an area for seasonal snowfall?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:53:50 +1100
Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is tagging an area for seasonal snowfall a realistic possibility?

Mapping climate data seems to be a very poor idea for obvious reasons.

> In note that there are 2 tags regarding seasonal snow, one for road,
> the other for foot paths.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal:snowfall:regaintime
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:snowplowing
> Both are status 'unspecified'.

Note that snowplowing is lightly better as it is verifiable without
enormous work in at least some places.

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[Tagging] Tagging an area for seasonal snowfall?

[Warin]

Is tagging an area for seasonal snowfall a realistic possibility?

In note that there are 2 tags regarding seasonal snow, one for road, the 
other for foot paths.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal:snowfall:regaintime
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:snowplowing
Both are status 'unspecified'.

Why? Helpfull to;
avoid if not equipped or desired
tour if desired (snow fights etc)






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Re: [Tagging] Bridge relations. Is that a 'thing'?

[Holger Jeromin]

Dave F 
 Wrote in message:
> Hi
> 
> Recent addition in my neck of the woods:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5979157
> 
> A relations collecting together the bridge outline & all the lanes. It's 
> the first I've come across. Are they widespread.
> 
> IMO I can't quite see the point of it & to me, comes under the heading 
> 'relations aren't meant to be collections of things'.
> 
> Opinions?

The concept is quite old 

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Bridges_and_
Tunnels

About 4000 relations are tagged. 

I think with the current rendering in OSM carto of the outline
 (man_made=bridge) most mapper will stop with the outline. One
 main problem (bridge name is not highway name) is elegantly
 solved with the outline. 

I am not sure which questions are not answered by finding all ways
 inside the outline with the same layer. 

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Re: [Tagging] Bridge relations. Is that a 'thing'?

[Richard]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 08:02:20PM +, Dave F wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Recent addition in my neck of the woods:
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5979157
> 
> A relations collecting together the bridge outline & all the lanes. It's the
> first I've come across. Are they widespread.

in this case it would seem like a clear overkill. man_made=bridge
would be prefered for such simple cases. 

Relations may make sense when there are other (than ways) objects/features 
on top of the bridge but even then you might try

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Simplify_man_made%3Dbridge_mapping#Objects_on_bridges

Richard

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[Tagging] Bridge relations. Is that a 'thing'?

[Dave F]

Hi

Recent addition in my neck of the woods:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5979157

A relations collecting together the bridge outline & all the lanes. It's 
the first I've come across. Are they widespread.


IMO I can't quite see the point of it & to me, comes under the heading 
'relations aren't meant to be collections of things'.


Opinions?

Cheers
Dave F.

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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[Philip Barnes]

On Tue, 2016-02-16 at 15:46 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> Wharf (US English) and Quay (British English) seem to be equivalent
> and describe a fixed structure that has land on one side and water on
> the other, but the French môle or brise-lames is different: it is a
> structure that protrudes into the water, but is normally narrow and
> often there is not even a walkway on it. It's also uses in German:
> Mole
> 
Wharf is used in British English too, it is used where canal boats load
and unload.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[Malcolm Herring]

On 16/02/2016 17:41, James Morrison wrote:

Is there a specific difference between mole and breakwater?


Yes, in both form and function. Breakwaters only serve to attenuate 
waves and are not designed for mooring. They are usually parallel to, 
and detached from, the shore and are often awash at high tide.


If a structure is both attached to the shore and has a mooring function, 
then it is either a mole or a pier.


As I said in my OP, all of these structures are frequently misnamed.


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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[James Morrison]

Apologies but I've never come across the term mole, the equivalent
English article on the Wikipedia for the German article Mole and the
French article Brise-lames is the article Breakwater which has a tag
page on the openstreetmap wiki[1] is a approved proposal and seems to
have almost 14000 ways, there appears to be only one way tagged as
mole in the UK[2].

Is there a specific difference between mole and breakwater?

In my experience in Scotland a breakwater is often referred to and
acts as a pier.

1. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dbreakwater
2. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/erX

Cheers

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Malcolm Herring
 wrote:
> On 16/02/2016 16:48, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
>>
>> So is a mole a special sort of pier ? Then definition of "pier" in
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier is wrong, as it
>> is not always "a raised walkway over water supported by pillars".
>
>
> That definition of a pier is correct. Water flows under a pier but not a
> mole. So the outline of the projecting area of a mole is part of the
> coastline (or riverbank) whereas a pier is not. I use the tag
> "man_made=mole". Tags with "pier" in either key or value are inappropriate
> for a mole.
>
> Also, to complicate the issue, there is also an "open-faced wharf" as
> opposed to a "solid-faced wharf" (the usual case). An open faced wharf is a
> pier-like structure (i.e. a deck on piles over the water) but alongside the
> shore rather projecting from it.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[Malcolm Herring]

On 16/02/2016 16:48, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

So is a mole a special sort of pier ? Then definition of "pier" in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier is wrong, as it
is not always "a raised walkway over water supported by pillars".


That definition of a pier is correct. Water flows under a pier but not a 
mole. So the outline of the projecting area of a mole is part of the 
coastline (or riverbank) whereas a pier is not. I use the tag 
"man_made=mole". Tags with "pier" in either key or value are 
inappropriate for a mole.


Also, to complicate the issue, there is also an "open-faced wharf" as 
opposed to a "solid-faced wharf" (the usual case). An open faced wharf 
is a pier-like structure (i.e. a deck on piles over the water) but 
alongside the shore rather projecting from it.



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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 2016-02-16 17:26, Malcolm Herring wrote:

> On 16/02/2016 14:26, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: 
> 
>> "môle" - which is a much better translation for "wharf"
> 
> No it is not - a mole (also an english word) is a solid pier - it is 
> masonry/stone/concrete structure that is built on the seabed & has the 
> function of a pier. The important difference is that a mole projects from the 
> land like a pier, & is not part of the land like a wharf/quay.

>From what I just wen reading, it looks like you are right - alongside
vs. perpendicular is the key. 

So is a mole a special sort of pier ? Then definition of "pier" in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier is wrong, as it
is not always "a raised walkway over water supported by pillars". So
man_made=pier + pier=wharf, or man_made=pier +
structure=masonry/stone/concrete or man_made=mole ? 

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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[Malcolm Herring]

On 16/02/2016 14:26, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:

"môle" - which is a much better translation for "wharf"


No it is not - a mole (also an english word) is a solid pier - it is 
masonry/stone/concrete structure that is built on the seabed & has the 
function of a pier. The important difference is that a mole projects 
from the land like a pier, & is not part of the land like a wharf/quay.


Beware of local misnaming of all of these structures.


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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 2016-02-16 15:46, Volker Schmidt wrote:

> Wharf (US English) and Quay (British English) seem to be equivalent and 
> describe a fixed structure that has land on one side and water on the other, 
> but the French môle or brise-lames is different: it is a structure that 
> protrudes into the water, but is normally narrow and often there is not even 
> a walkway on it.

Look at this plan of Dakar's harbour:
http://www.portdakar.sn/images/stories/design/plangeneral.pdf - "môle"
is most definitely "wharf" and not narrow at all. 
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Re: [Tagging] Wharf

[Volker Schmidt]

Wharf (US English) and Quay (British English) seem to be equivalent and
describe a fixed structure that has land on one side and water on the
other, but the French môle or brise-lames is different: it is a structure
that protrudes into the water, but is normally narrow and often there is
not even a walkway on it. It's also uses in German: Mole

On 16 February 2016 at 15:26, Jean-Marc Liotier  wrote:

> TL;DR: man_made=quay unless objections are raised.
>
>
>
> So I have a few nice harbour wharves to map...
>
> I found landuse=wharf but it is only used 37 times:
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=wharf
>
> man_made=pier is almost certainly not the solution, as
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier is explicit about
> its use "for a raised walkway over water supported by pillars" - which a
> wharf isn't: a wharf is solid masonry.
>
> Ooops... I just found my solution while looking up details to document my
> question - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharf says "the term *quay* is
> common in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and many other
> Commonwealth countries, and the Republic of Ireland, whereas the term
> *wharf* is more common in the United States". And indeed, looking up
> "Quay" on Wikipedia redirects there - and the French language synonym for
> wharf is "Quai" (though strangely it doesn't mention the French term "môle"
> - which is a much better translation for "wharf"... I may have to put that
> on my French Wikipedia TODO).
>
> So, anyway, unless objections are raised, I'll be tagging wharves as
> man_made=quay areas and I'll update 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dquay
> which is obviously incomplete (Now who is the numbskull who wrote this
> page ? Ooops - it is me).
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[Tagging] Wharf

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

TL;DR: man_made=quay unless objections are raised. 

So I have a few nice harbour wharves to map... 

I found landuse=wharf but it is only used 37 times:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=wharf 

man_made=pier is almost certainly not the solution, as
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier is explicit about
its use "for a raised walkway over water supported by pillars" - which a
wharf isn't: a wharf is solid masonry. 

Ooops... I just found my solution while looking up details to document
my question - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharf [1]says "the term
_quay_ is common in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and many
other Commonwealth countries, and the Republic of Ireland, whereas the
term _wharf_ is more common in the United States". And indeed, looking
up "Quay" on Wikipedia redirects there - and the French language synonym
for wharf is "Quai" (though strangely it doesn't mention the French term
"môle" - which is a much better translation for "wharf"... I may have to
put that on my French Wikipedia TODO). 

So, anyway, unless objections are raised, I'll be tagging wharves as
man_made=quay areas and I'll update
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dquay [2]which is
obviously incomplete (Now who is the numbskull who wrote this page ?
Ooops - it is me). 

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharf
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dquay
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