Re: [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

2016-10-20 Thread Dave Swarthout 
@Kevin,

Your reply is, as always, well thought out and well stated. I haven't had
the opportunity to tag any of these so far but I've stashed a copy of this
thread in my Evernotes folder.

Keep up the good work!

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 10:33 PM, Kevin Kenny 
wrote:

> Since nobody else has stepped forward to answer this, as far as I can
> tell, let me take a whack at it:
>
> I think that the best tagging for a hunting reserve that the current
> renderer knows about is 'leisure=nature_reserve". That's how the state
> wildlife management areas in New York, the State Game Lands in
> Pennsylvania, and so on are tagged. 'Nature reserves' encompass a lot of
> things.
>
> If the chief object of the reserve is something other than hunting, then
> another landuse may be appropriate. On many of the state reserves in my
> area, the chief object is timber production and hunting is a secondary use.
> In that case, 'landuse=forest' would be a better choice.
>
> In addition, moving forward, there should be appropriate protected area
> tagging. If memory serves, what I used for New York's wildlife management
> areas was 'boundary=protected_area protect_class=4
> protection_title="Wildlife Management Area" '. In a few cases, such as a
> state game farm dedicated to the ring-necked pheasant, I used combinations
> like 'protect_class=14 protection_object=species species:name="Phaisianus
> colchicus" '. Similarly, for the New York City recreation areas that allow
> hunting, I used the primary purpose of the land: 'protect_class=12
> protection_object=water', and added 'access=yes hunting=yes' (among other
> tags).
>
> These schemes appear to have held up even in a very complex land
> management regime. Querying some of the features visible on
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=41.9339=-74.
> 1889#map=13/41.9842/-74.2488 would give a good idea of the range of
> things that can be represented, including private preserves, developed
> 'front country' campgrounds, public hunting reserves, and on up to
> out-and-out class-1 wilderness. (I can say from personal experience that
> the mountains west of the Ashokan Reservoir are quite wild indeed, from
> having climbed the 1000-m peaks there. Unless one is a very, very fast
> hiker and prepared to start and finish in darkness, those nine peaks
> require a multi-day off-trail expedition to complete.)
>
> A good example of a private preserve is found at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=41.4263=-74.
> 0612#map=13/42.5379/-74.1473 There, the Partridge Run properties are
> state-owned (under two different land management schemes, which is
> unavoidably confusing!), while the Huyck Preserve belongs to a private
> non-profit conservancy.
>
> There's no reason that a private game reserve can't be tagged as a
> 'protected area' - not all protections arise from government fiat. Add
> 'access=private' if you have to pay to get in, and 'site_ownership=private'
> if that's relevant.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NYS_DEC_Lands and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import:_NYCDEP_Watershed_
> Recreation_Areas were the two import proposals that I sponsored that used
> the protected_area tagging scheme. Both were reasonably non-controversial.
> (There is no such thing as an entirely non-controversial import proposal -
> but the objections raised to the import had nothing to do with the choice
> of tagging.)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Alejandro S. 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody!
>>
>> Is there a tag for hunting areas? I mean, big areas, sometimes fenced and
>> usually you have to pay to hunt there.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>   Alejandro Suárez
>>
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[Tagging] Hunting area tagging

2016-10-20 Thread Yves 
Hunting areas rights and laws are of GREAT variety in the world,  even within a 
particular country. 
I don't see no problem in tagging them,  but I guess the mapping schem should 
let a lot of room,  not only for refinement,  but also for completely different 
definition. 
Maybe starting with hunting=yes/no/see note is a common enough ground. 
Yves 

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[Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

2016-10-20 Thread Richard Welty 
i don't have a particular proposal in mind for this, just looking for input.

there are various tracks in the world that are not used for racing, but
for testing only. major auto manufacturers have their own tracks, and
independent organizations do too (for example, the US publication
Consumer Reports has converted an old drag racing complex in CT into
their own private test facility. likewise i believe there is a small private
test facility on the grounds of the old Brooklands oval in the UK.)

what kind of tagging do folks think is appropriate for these?

richard

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Re: [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

2016-10-20 Thread Kevin Kenny 
Since nobody else has stepped forward to answer this, as far as I can tell,
let me take a whack at it:

I think that the best tagging for a hunting reserve that the current
renderer knows about is 'leisure=nature_reserve". That's how the state
wildlife management areas in New York, the State Game Lands in
Pennsylvania, and so on are tagged. 'Nature reserves' encompass a lot of
things.

If the chief object of the reserve is something other than hunting, then
another landuse may be appropriate. On many of the state reserves in my
area, the chief object is timber production and hunting is a secondary use.
In that case, 'landuse=forest' would be a better choice.

In addition, moving forward, there should be appropriate protected area
tagging. If memory serves, what I used for New York's wildlife management
areas was 'boundary=protected_area protect_class=4
protection_title="Wildlife Management Area" '. In a few cases, such as a
state game farm dedicated to the ring-necked pheasant, I used combinations
like 'protect_class=14 protection_object=species species:name="Phaisianus
colchicus" '. Similarly, for the New York City recreation areas that allow
hunting, I used the primary purpose of the land: 'protect_class=12
protection_object=water', and added 'access=yes hunting=yes' (among other
tags).

These schemes appear to have held up even in a very complex land management
regime. Querying some of the features visible on
http://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=41.9339=-74.1889#map=13/41.9842/-74.2488
would give a good idea of the range of things that can be represented,
including private preserves, developed 'front country' campgrounds, public
hunting reserves, and on up to out-and-out class-1 wilderness. (I can say
from personal experience that the mountains west of the Ashokan Reservoir
are quite wild indeed, from having climbed the 1000-m peaks there. Unless
one is a very, very fast hiker and prepared to start and finish in
darkness, those nine peaks require a multi-day off-trail expedition to
complete.)

A good example of a private preserve is found at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/query?lat=41.4263=-74.0612#map=13/42.5379/-74.1473
There, the Partridge Run properties are state-owned (under two different
land management schemes, which is unavoidably confusing!), while the Huyck
Preserve belongs to a private non-profit conservancy.

There's no reason that a private game reserve can't be tagged as a
'protected area' - not all protections arise from government fiat. Add
'access=private' if you have to pay to get in, and 'site_ownership=private'
if that's relevant.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NYS_DEC_Lands and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import:_NYCDEP_Watershed_Recreation_Areas
were the two import proposals that I sponsored that used the protected_area
tagging scheme. Both were reasonably non-controversial. (There is no such
thing as an entirely non-controversial import proposal - but the objections
raised to the import had nothing to do with the choice of tagging.)



On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Alejandro S. 
wrote:

> Hi everybody!
>
> Is there a tag for hunting areas? I mean, big areas, sometimes fenced and
> usually you have to pay to hunt there.
>
> Kind regards,
>   Alejandro Suárez
>
> ___
> Tagging mailing list
> Tagging@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
>
>
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