Re: [Tagging] Retail but mail order only

2016-11-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave F writes: > I've a site of warehouse units containing retail outlets selling goods > (such as cheese & bathroom/household items), but by mail order > only. Should these be still tagged as 'shops'? Mail_order=only? Anyone > have any examples? Places that do

[Tagging] Retail but mail order only

2016-11-07 Thread Dave F
Hi I've a site of warehouse units containing retail outlets selling goods (such as cheese & bathroom/household items), but by mail order only. Should these be still tagged as 'shops'? Mail_order=only? Anyone have any examples? DaveF ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-07 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: > With what type of highway? :-P Since they are Street-to-Station-to-Street, they are undeniably Highway=Service . It was the access=no but what about Pedestrian that reminded me that these ways had changed access (among

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-07 23:28 GMT+01:00 Tijmen Stam : > I have never heard that rule! > In the Netherlands the order of priority is > > 1 traffic signallers (i.e. "appointed" people) > 2 traffic lights > 3 traffic signs and road markings (on equal level) > 4 rules of the road > You

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-07 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 06-11-16 22:45, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 02.11.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Tijmen Stam: On 02-11-16 20:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: careful with access=no, I suggest to use vehicle=no in this case, because you risk of excluding pedestrians (and other means of transport you didn't think about)

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-07 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 07-11-16 00:06, Bill Ricker wrote: Thank you all, this thread caused me to notice my nearest mass-transit station hadn't been re-mapped since it was rebuilt ! Fix uploaded. With what type of highway? :-P ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 07-11-16 17:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-11-07 17:34 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić >: Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 07 nov 2016, alle ore 22:05, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> ha > scritto: > > If these same intersections are to become traffic light controlled then a > creating a roundabout is simply putting off the expenditure. now you build the roundabouts and later your

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Warin
On 08-Nov-16 05:25 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: For the benefit of USAians - Polo mints are shaped enough like LifeSavers to have been the subject of much trademark litigation among Kraft Foods, Mars UK and Swizzels Matlow. On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Kevin Kenny

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Warin
On 08-Nov-16 04:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-11-07 18:34 GMT+01:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira >: The city grew up from a small village, without a city hall. People named (who knows how) the streets and they stayed named like this.

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Colin Smale
Wrong - the lights are on top of the priority rules of the roundabout, not instead of them. If the lights are not operating, be that due to a time switch or a defect, what remains is still a roundabout. //colin On 7 November 2016 21:59:45 GMT+05:30, Bill Ricker wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
For the benefit of USAians - Polo mints are shaped enough like LifeSavers to have been the subject of much trademark litigation among Kraft Foods, Mars UK and Swizzels Matlow. On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > For the benefit of USAians - Polo mints

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2016-11-07 at 11:29 -0500, Bill Ricker wrote: > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Dave F > wrote: > > > > From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light > > controlled. > > > Light controlled roundabouts are NOT roundabouts, right ? > They

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-07 18:34 GMT+01:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira : > The city grew up from a small village, without a city hall. People > named (who knows how) the streets and they stayed named like this. > After achieving its "city" status, with a city hall, laws, etc, some > street names

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-07 18:18 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer : > > The only contradiction is that there should be no blue roundabout sign, as > long as that regulates priority in the local traffic law. this is indeed the question (priority in croatia because of roundabout sign), because if

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > this whole "official name" story isn't completely obvious either. Who is the > entity to decide on the name? The city grew up from a small village, without a city hall. People named (who knows how) the streets

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 07.11.2016 17:09, Dave F wrote: Hi Daniel Second example: Which junction has priority? From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. In Berlin, from where the examples are taken, you have unlit give-way+main-street signage even when the junction is light

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-07 17:45 GMT+01:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira : > Exactly this. > There are streets named since the beggining, but they aren't officialized > yet. > They could even have their name changed after being officialized, but > they aren't loc_name nor reg_name; they are in fact the

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 07.11.2016 17:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2016-11-07 17:34 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout sign, but the right of way is clear through

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-07 17:34 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: > > https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk > > It even has a roundabout sign, but the right of way is clear through signs > on the ground. actually in case of selfcontradicting

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-11-07 17:09 GMT+01:00 Dave F : > Second example: Which junction has priority? From a quick look on > Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. what about light controlled junctions that are so only part of the day and (e.g. at night) they are

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Janko Mihelić
Here is an example of a not-a-roundabout without lights: https://goo.gl/maps/TVuMRZs59Kk It even has a roundabout sign, but the right of way is clear through signs on the ground. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Dave F wrote: > From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. Light controlled roundabouts are NOT roundabouts, right ? -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Please don't. First, this is kind of troll-tagging, first declaring > something a name and in the next line denying it. Second, the "name:*" > namespace is declared for real names (name:LL and name:left|right), not for

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Dave F
Hi Daniel Second example: Which junction has priority? From a quick look on Streetview all junctions appear to be light controlled. Could you expand on what 'special instructions' the routing engine is not able to issue? DaveF On 07/11/2016 14:30, Daniel Hofmann wrote: Over at OSRM we're

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Daniel Hofmann wrote: > > 4/ Not-a-Roundabout (what this post is about) > There are situations where one of the entering road has right of way, which > disqualifies the scenario for being classified as a roundabout. The Wiki has > a section on

Re: [Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Bryan Housel
Previous discussion: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-June/017805.html Some people suggested `junction=traffic_circle` It’s used in taginfo a few times but pretty unofficial and rare. Bryan > On

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 07.11.2016 13:03, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Mon, 2016-11-07 at 09:57 -0200, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: Situation: there is a city where all the streets are named (using the "name" tag). Some of the names are official (recognized by the city hall, by law, etc) and some are not yet officially

[Tagging] Proper Tag for Not-a-Roundabout

2016-11-07 Thread Daniel Hofmann
Over at OSRM we're not only doing Routing on OSM but also Guidance for users once a suitable route is found. In order to make the user experience great and the instructions pleasant to use we differentiate between 1/ Roundabouts Think: "at the roundabout take the nth exit" 2/ Roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, 2016-11-07 at 09:57 -0200, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote: > Situation: there is a city where all the streets are named (using the > "name" tag). > Some of the names are official (recognized by the city hall, by law, > etc) and some are not yet officially recognized. > > Is there a way to

[Tagging] Differentiating streets with official name from non-official yet name

2016-11-07 Thread Nelson A. de Oliveira
Situation: there is a city where all the streets are named (using the "name" tag). Some of the names are official (recognized by the city hall, by law, etc) and some are not yet officially recognized. Is there a way to differentiate official names from non-official? Using only official_name in