Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Tristan Anderson]

In that case the developers at Osmand have some work to do.

All we do is provide the data.  Individual consumers can choose whether they 
want to use it.


From: Paul Johnson 
Sent: February 19, 2017 6:24 AM
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. 
lanes:both_ways method



On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Tristan Anderson 
> wrote:

I've always used


lanes=5

centre_turn_lane=yes


as a shortcut that implies


lanes=5
lanes:forward=2
lanes:both_ways=1
lanes:backward=2
turn:lanes:both_ways=left

It's just a way to reduce five tags to two in a common, special-case situation. 
 Lanes can be any odd number greater than one.

I'm not sure of any data consumers that would assume that shorthand.  I know 
Osmand correctly recognizes the latter, but would not parse the former.
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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[Kevin Kenny]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Wolfgang Zenker 
wrote:

> * John Willis  [170219 09:53]:
> > If someone was looking to wash a giant bedspread or duvet, knowing there
> is only one laundromat in town with a giant machine would be very useful.
>
> Then we might just tag the things that are useful. How about
> laundry:oversize_items=yes|no|only ?
>

I'd be fine with this. When I use a coin laundry it's either, (a) I'm
traveling (in which case, the hotel likely has one) - or (b) I'm washing a
duvet or sleeping bag. If I'm looking for the second case, I need to find a
laundry with a machine that can handle it. I don't think that needs to
imply a detailed taxonomy of laundry equipment.
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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[Wolfgang Zenker]

* John Willis  [170219 09:53]:
>> On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
>> +1
>> Regardless of the "intent" of OSM, this level of tagging does seem excessive 
>> IMO. I've been following the thread and am amazed that this much attention 
>> can be focused on developing tagging for washing machines. I guess the 
>> saying, Your Mileage May Vary, is the operative aphorism LOL

> Although I am personally not so interested in the machines, when the 
> laundromats are not mapped correctly (google maps and Apple maps was missing 
> the 4 closest coin laundry places to my residences when I searched so I added 
> them in both) it is very frustrating.

> If someone was looking to wash a giant bedspread or duvet, knowing there is 
> only one laundromat in town with a giant machine would be very useful.  

Then we might just tag the things that are useful. How about
laundry:oversize_items=yes|no|only ?

Wolfgang

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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> I like the centre_turn_lane=yes method.
>
> But there is also the lanes= x|x|x method as shown on
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes
>
> Assume I have a 5-lane road with two normal lanes in each direction and a
> centre-turn lane in the middle (right-hand traffic).
>
> The lane directions are:
> direction:lanes=backward|backward|both|forward|forward
>
> How do I tag the turn instructions?
> Is it:
> turn:lanes=left|through|both_ways|through|right
> (i.e. the turn direction is referred  to the direction of the way)?
>
> Or or should the turn direction be referred to the direction of the lane,
> i.e.
> turn:lanes=right|through|both_ways|through|right
> ?
>

turn:lanes:forward and turn:lanes:backward.  JOSM's turnlanes-tagging
 plugin makes tagging lanes a
real snap.  I strongly advise using that rather than trying to hand tag
lanes.
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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Volker Schmidt]

I like the centre_turn_lane=yes method.

But there is also the lanes= x|x|x method as shown on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes

Assume I have a 5-lane road with two normal lanes in each direction and a
centre-turn lane in the middle (right-hand traffic).

The lane directions are:
direction:lanes=backward|backward|both|forward|forward

How do I tag the turn instructions?
Is it:
turn:lanes=left|through|both_ways|through|right
(i.e. the turn direction is referred  to the direction of the way)?

Or or should the turn direction be referred to the direction of the lane,
i.e.
turn:lanes=right|through|both_ways|through|right
?

BTW the centre_turn_lane=yes method generates a JOSM warning:
"missing tag - street with odd number of lanes, but without lanes:forward
and lanes:backward or oneway "
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Re: [Tagging] Center turning lanes: centre_turn_lane=yes method vs. lanes:both_ways method

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Tristan Anderson <
andersontris...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've always used
>
>
> lanes=5
>
> centre_turn_lane=yes
>
>
> as a shortcut that implies
>
>
> lanes=5
> lanes:forward=2
> lanes:both_ways=1
> lanes:backward=2
> turn:lanes:both_ways=left
>
> It's just a way to reduce five tags to two in a common, special-case
> situation.  Lanes can be any odd number greater than one.
>

I'm not sure of any data consumers that would assume that shorthand.  I
know Osmand correctly recognizes the latter, but would not parse the
former.
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - CoreIndoor

[Richard]

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 11:42:13PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote:

> (2.) Corridors/stairs can use ways
> 
> This is probably where opinions will vary the most. The decision in favour
> of area tagging was one of the most fundamental that we made when drafting
> SIT. Because of this, using highway ways for corridors feels like a big
> change away from SIT, not merely an extension.

not really for or against it, but one thing that should be considered is the
large number of buildings mapped without SIT but with some indoor elements
and ways mapped using various other methods eg tunnel=buidling_passage,
highway=corridor, covered etc.
Those should not be orthogonal to SIT but enhance each other where possible.

Richard

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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 19 Feb 2017, at 09:53, John Willis  wrote:
> 
> Comparing it to food menu items at a restaurant is wrong.


+1, machines get changed less frequently than menu items, or at least require 
more effort.

cheers,
Martin 
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Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

[John Willis]

> On Feb 19, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
> 
> +1
> Regardless of the "intent" of OSM, this level of tagging does seem excessive 
> IMO. I've been following the thread and am amazed that this much attention 
> can be focused on developing tagging for washing machines. I guess the 
> saying, Your Mileage May Vary, is the operative aphorism LOL


Although I am personally not so interested in the machines, when the 
laundromats are not mapped correctly (google maps and Apple maps was missing 
the 4 closest coin laundry places to my residences when I searched so I added 
them in both) it is very frustrating.

If someone was looking to wash a giant bedspread or duvet, knowing there is 
only one laundromat in town with a giant machine would be very useful.  

Poi information is steadily being added and expanded upon in commercial apps 
and OSM. I can tag the genus of a single tree in OSM. 

All this talk is to think about *if* we were to map the number of machines and 
some rough idea of size - what information could we show that would be useful 
in a POI display for a laundromat? How could we classify machines in a easy to 
map but useful way? What units of measurement.  Specially machines might be one 
of them. 

Comparing it to food menu items at a restaurant is wrong. Takeaway, regional 
food type, and other restaurant informTion is currently mapped. 

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