Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
2017-02-22 0:57 GMT+01:00 John Willis :

> I can see, similar to an airport, there are runways, taxiways, terminals,
> supporting buildings, and plane parking positions that together make a
> singularly named landuse called "an airport".



I also see these features, and there is already tagging available for many
of them (see the harbour page), but I wouldn't choose "landuse" for the
feature. A port can also consist of different landuses for example. We
don't have airports or trainstations defined by landuse either...

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Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread John Willis 




Javbw
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 2:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> seaway=port ?

Much like a beach is where the land meets the sea, it is both water and land- 
is the seaway the area, both land *and* the dedicated water area - perhaps the 
area protected behind a breakwater or the area around piers and loading docks? 

Is the industrial dock area some variant of landuse=industrial or similar 
discussed here (a singularly named shipping terminal would have huge areas of 
land for rail spurs/road/ container storage) and the water area some 
seaway/waterway tag for the ship parking area and the combination of the two 
this new seaway=*port tag? I can see, similar to an airport, there are runways, 
taxiways, terminals, supporting buildings, and plane parking positions that 
together make a singularly named landuse called "an airport". 

(*i forget the exact tag name). 

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Re: [Tagging] 10 pin Bowling Alley

2017-02-21 Thread Bill Ricker 
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 5:19 PM, John Willis  wrote:

> I realize it is a sport, played professionally, but more often than not it
> is a venue for socializing, rather than "sports". Perhaps that is why it is
> tagged separately initially.


​One could say Golf is more played socially than professionally too, with
the "19th hole" being the most popular.
Slipery slope here ...

OTOH, we used to go to the local bowling alley solely to eat, back when
they had a good restaurant with separate seating.
(And maybe a short visit to the coin arcade with the kid, which
necessitated traversing the entire bowling alley.)

​Now, are we tagging the difference between Duck ​pins and Candlepins ? :-)

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Re: [Tagging] 10 pin Bowling Alley

2017-02-21 Thread John Willis 




Javbw
> On Feb 22, 2017, at 5:34 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Why does a bowling alley need its own tag?

For most people, bowling is truly a leisure activity, rather than a sport. 
"There is an ashtray built into the bowling equipment".

And for most people, bowling is truly a leisure activity - something done while 
smoking, drinking, gossiping, playing video games, and hanging out with 
friends, rather than getting sweaty on a pitch somewhere in a gym or a park. 

Here is the chain of bowling centers in Japan:  http://www.round1.co.jp/

Please look at the images on the front page. 
For a lot of people bowling is like karaoke. 

But I understand semantically why it is a sport.  

From a mapping perspective, I think most people think of the building and its 
many lanes, rather than the people playing a sport. When you think of soccer, 
you may think of the players running on a pitch, not the building full of 
alcohol and people eating food. 

It is also a giant logical leap for some people thinking of the entertainment 
center where bowling is often done people as a "sports" center. 

I realize it is a sport, played professionally, but more often than not it is a 
venue for socializing, rather than "sports". Perhaps that is why it is tagged 
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[Tagging] 10 pin Bowling Alley

2017-02-21 Thread Warin 

Hi,


New to me tag leisure=bowling_alley 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dbowling_alley



I would have used leisure=sports_centre, sport=10pin for a building 
(armchair mapping from imagery).


leisure=pitch where the area detail is known.


I don't see leisure=stadium being appropriate as I view them as having a 
vertically staggered seating for an audience.



Why does a bowling alley need its own tag?


Thoughts, please.






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Re: [Tagging] access: motorcar and goods, how to read the hierarchy

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> On 19 Feb 2017, at 08:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ? The later access tags could override the first?


tags are not ordered, but the more specific rule wins over the generic rule. 
Overriding is contemplated in the access tagging 

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[Tagging] RFC: new key seaway for seabased transportation, ports, etc.

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
Please comment on:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Seaway

Thank you,
cheers,
Martin Koppenhöfer
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Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
2017-02-21 16:31 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring :

> Agreed, but not "man_made", which I think should only used on singular
> objects. A port is much like a small town or an industrial park.



a town is also treated as a singular object in place=town (or an airport in
aeroway=aerodrome), it's clear that ports are made of many things, but
that's not a problem, you can still identify the one port obect (with its
name, etc.).
What about

seaway=port ?

Or maybe distinguish the types at this level? Container and passenger
terminals could be tagged as:

seaway=container_terminal
seaway=ferry_terminal
seaway=cruise_terminal

waterway=port   could describe an inland port (river or lake), although I
am not sure it is needed (can also be seen from the location).

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Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Malcolm Herring 

On 21/02/2017 08:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

IMHO there should be a feature tag for ports (e.g. man_made=port) not just an 
indirect way of mapping landuse properties.


Agreed, but not "man_made", which I think should only used on singular 
objects. A port is much like a small town or an industrial park. May I 
suggest "port=*", where the default value would be "yes" and specific 
values would specify the type of port (container, passenger, etc.).



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Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> On 21 Feb 2017, at 08:16, Malcolm Herring  
> wrote:
> 
> Most of the instances of "landuse=harbour" are over areas that are in fact 
> port facilities. Other port areas tend to be tagged "landuse=industrial".
> 
> Maybe someone can propose a port specific tagging?


IMHO there should be a feature tag for ports (e.g. man_made=port) not just an 
indirect way of mapping landuse properties.

It would also lead to more semantical clarity renaming seamark to sth like 
seaway for everything that isn't a seamark

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Martin 
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