Re: [Tagging] Positioning motorway exits

2017-03-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 08.03.2017 00:01, Johan C wrote: make sure the requirements for navigational devices like OSMAND should also be met I don't think OsmAnd would have a problem with the node being at the physical separation, in particular if the turn:lanes are tagged correctly. OsmAnd will give advance

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Warin
On 07-Mar-17 10:56 PM, Thilo Haug wrote: Hi all, thanks to Martin for the clarification. In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:motorcycle_friendly I referred to the definition of the German automobile club : 8X--- The German

Re: [Tagging] Positioning motorway exits

2017-03-07 Thread Johan C
Well, the WIKI more or less has a sort of consensus. Yes, we do have the divided highways ('baulicher trennung'). But there is also the consensus that it's important to make sure the requirements for navigational devices like OSMAND should also be met. So, if the physical point is used by a mapper

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread David Bannon
On 07/03/17 20:58, Thilo Haug wrote: ... I'm not really sure about which issue you talk in the 2nd part of your message "not actual rules", do you refer to my entry in the proposal about a "code of conduct" ? ... Thilo, what I was suggesting is that you need to receive the list

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:43 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 03/07/2017 02:06 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > There are reasonable use cases for wanting to take a timezone name and > > get back a multipolygon > > Question is, does (the core database of) OSM have to fulfil these use

Re: [Tagging] NEW APPROACH : Feature Proposal tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi Martin, do I need to search for "quintessence of osm" or "tagging of individual aspects" to RTFM ? ;-) Also in this case (such as with the email stuff) I think it would be good to link to those "basics" in the relevant documentation (RFC template ?) to enable the new users to find it. RTFM

Re: [Tagging] NEW APPROACH : Feature Proposal tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-07 13:30 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug : > there's a totally different, interesting approach from Dieterdreist : Thank you for the laurel, but I have to reject them, prefering the tagging of individual aspects (many tags with clearly defined scope) rather than aggregated

Re: [Tagging] Positioning motorway exits

2017-03-07 Thread Jo
Extra credit if we can come up with a 'universal' solution :-) Polyglot 2017-03-07 10:44 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > This touches on a "conflict of interest" between two requirements: > (1) OSM tagging practice is to map only physically separated ways as > separate ways in

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-07 12:42 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav KamenĂ­k : > Personally I would compromise - leave timezone relations > where really needed (river/meridian/territorial waters/...) and change them > to tagged A.B. otherwise. > > +1 Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Andrew Hain
I think this idea is a winner. We have geometry for the tricky cases but this can just fall through to the administrative geometry in places such as Arizona outside the reservations. -- Andrew From: Wolfgang Zenker Sent: 07 March

Re: [Tagging] EuroVelo tagging

2017-03-07 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Volker Schmidt wrote: As EV routes are not managed as single entities, every route is split in pieces managed on a country basis. I know the situation in Italy, as I am involved in regional and national cycle routes here. EV routes are handled by BicItalia which is part of FIAB, the "Italian

[Tagging] NEW APPROACH : Feature Proposal tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Thilo Haug
Hello all, there's a totally different, interesting approach from Dieterdreist : Assessment of tag Here's an example: drying_room=yes, motorcycle_parking=yes, motorcycle_repair_tools=yes, motorcycle_tour_tips=yes. I.E. these are 4 tags rather than one, and the drying room for instance isn't

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi all, thanks to Martin for the clarification. In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:motorcycle_friendly I referred to the definition of the German automobile club : 8X--- The German automobile club has the following criteria

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Jaroslav KamenĂ­k
Hi all, this discussion has started because of me, so I would like to add few comments:). Should OSM contains timezone data? I think so. Some said, we should use other sources and overlay them over OSM, but there is no direct mapping except description in human languages, not too usable for

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 6 March 2017 at 00:30, Frederik Ramm wrote: > you could easily build time zone > geometries by either (a) keeping an external database that says "Time > Zone X consists of the following administrative units" and then > collecting the units from OSM That database is

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
Hi, * Colin Smale [170307 09:04]: > [..] > It is possible to have enclaves/exclaves for a territory which differs > from the surrounding territory. Taking the US as an example, if we put a > timezone tag on a State, there may need to be an overriding tag on a > County or

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

2017-03-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug : > "own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case, > as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation of > existing data collections > ("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly listing >

Re: [Tagging] Positioning motorway exits

2017-03-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
This touches on a "conflict of interest" between two requirements: (1) OSM tagging practice is to map only physically separated ways as separate ways in OSM. (2) A routing algorithm needs to have information about legally separated ways, e.g. by a continuous white line. In the specific case the

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-03-07 07:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Kevin, > > On 03/07/2017 02:06 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > >> There are reasonable use cases for wanting to take a timezone name and >> get back a multipolygon > > Question is, does (the core database of) OSM have to fulfil these use cases! > >> or to