Re: [Tagging] building=stands or building=grandstand?
To complicate things a bit more :-), we also have leisure_bleachers! (Or at least we used to - can't see it any more?) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Multiple offices at the same address - (Multiple values for one key)
Le 28. 10. 17 à 23:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : > My reasoning is that my navigation program (OSMAND) doesn't appear to > find street numbers if they're only part of the address, but will if > they're a separate node. I know a lot of area (for exemple Brussels, Belgium) having housenumber only on building. I never read that osmand fail to find it. test it by yourself and if it is fail, fill a bug report. > who knows & does it matter? duplicate all addr take more time to create/update than that having one working system that doesn't need duplicate info And more annoying, the duplicate info always ends up being out of sync and it becomes difficult to know which is the correct version Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Multiple offices at the same address - (Multiple values for one key)
On 29 October 2017 at 00:25, Colin Smale wrote: > Exactly, typical of OSM... If we can't sort this out, we will just > continue to go round in circles. How does one tell the difference, or which > type of address is intended? What if we want to put both types of address > on the same object? > > > On 28 October 2017 15:56:22 CEST, Eugene Alvin Villar > wrote: >> >> On Oct 27, 2017 8:03 AM, "Colin Smale" wrote: >> >> Time for a more philosophical discussion... What is the function of this >> thing we call "address"? Is it to identify a premises? Is it to describe a >> premises? Does it refer to the whole premises, or just the bit with the >> front door or letter box? Or is it "where to deliver post"? >> >> This is a long-standing issue in OSM. An address is either (1) a feature >> that can be mapped on its own right and therefore should only exist once on >> the map, or (2) an attribute or property of some other feature in OSM and >> therefore can be added to multiple objects that share the same address. >> Both types of schemes exist on the map right now. >> > & I must admit to being "guilty" of listing both types of address - filling in the address details of the type of building / shop / POI & then also adding an address node, usually on it's driveway. My reasoning is that my navigation program (OSMAND) doesn't appear to find street numbers if they're only part of the address, but will if they're a separate node. Is it the "right" way of doing things? - who knows & does it matter? What is the purpose of the map - looking good, laid out neatly & tidily, or being usable for navigation purposes? Thanks Graeme > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] building=stands or building=grandstand?
I don't think arguments as "is the more generic term" are all that convincing in the context of OSM. There are quite a number of cases in OSM where a well established tag with proper documentation may not always have the most "appropriate" name for its key or value. I think the current changes by Tom are OK, based on the general knowledge of seeing the type of structures edited with "building=grandstand", and based on the original new description of the "building=stands" tag, including stadium photo and referring to "big tribunes". So I don't think these features, if tagged with "building=stands", were supposed to signify something entirely different from the now documented "building=grandstand". And although I referred to building=stadium and building=grandstand used somewhat interchangeably, building=stadium is generally more used for entire concentric or enclosed structures including all additional facilities of a true sports stadium, while the building=grandstand is more for individual and somewhat smaller grandstand structures not surrounding an entire playing field. To be honest, I would leave it for now, I think they are distinct enough to maintain as separate tags. As stated above, I think the current edit is OK in the context of what I've seen. Marco Op 28-10-2017 om 09:57 schreef Volker Schmidt: I fear we have been a bit too quick. It looks as if stands and grandstand are different terms for seating around a sports pitch. The Wikipedia page "Stadium" refers several times to "stands" when it talks about seating in a stadium. And the Wikpedia page "Bleacher" is about "bleachers or stands", stating that these are US-English terms for basic seating facilities around sports pitches A "grandstand" is a grand stand according to Wikipedia. Also an indication: a Google image search for "cricket, stands" shows a number photos that I would have tagged as grandstands in OSM. In essence, it looks as if "stands" is the more generic term and hence should not be discouraged. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Multiple offices at the same address - (Multiple values for one key)
Exactly, typical of OSM... If we can't sort this out, we will just continue to go round in circles. How does one tell the difference, or which type of address is intended? What if we want to put both types of address on the same object? On 28 October 2017 15:56:22 CEST, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >On Oct 27, 2017 8:03 AM, "Colin Smale" wrote: > >Time for a more philosophical discussion... What is the function of >this >thing we call "address"? Is it to identify a premises? Is it to >describe a >premises? Does it refer to the whole premises, or just the bit with the >front door or letter box? Or is it "where to deliver post"? > >This is a long-standing issue in OSM. An address is either (1) a >feature >that can be mapped on its own right and therefore should only exist >once on >the map, or (2) an attribute or property of some other feature in OSM >and >therefore can be added to multiple objects that share the same address. >Both types of schemes exist on the map right now. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Multiple offices at the same address - (Multiple values for one key)
On Oct 27, 2017 8:03 AM, "Colin Smale" wrote: Time for a more philosophical discussion... What is the function of this thing we call "address"? Is it to identify a premises? Is it to describe a premises? Does it refer to the whole premises, or just the bit with the front door or letter box? Or is it "where to deliver post"? This is a long-standing issue in OSM. An address is either (1) a feature that can be mapped on its own right and therefore should only exist once on the map, or (2) an attribute or property of some other feature in OSM and therefore can be added to multiple objects that share the same address. Both types of schemes exist on the map right now. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] building=stands or building=grandstand?
I fear we have been a bit too quick. It looks as if stands and grandstand are different terms for seating around a sports pitch. The Wikipedia page "Stadium" refers several times to "stands" when it talks about seating in a stadium. And the Wikpedia page "Bleacher" is about "bleachers or stands", stating that these are US-English terms for basic seating facilities around sports pitches A "grandstand" is a grand stand according to Wikipedia. Also an indication: a Google image search for "cricket, stands" shows a number photos that I would have tagged as grandstands in OSM. In essence, it looks as if "stands" is the more generic term and hence should not be discouraged. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
