Re: [Tagging] Kerbs

[Nick Bolten]

If I understand you right, that would be a case for `kerb=flush`, where the
interface between the road and footways has no significant vertical
displacement.

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017, 1:15 PM Matej Lieskovský 
wrote:

> How does this work with roads raised to the level of the sidewalk?
>
> On 31 Dec 2017 19:43, "Selfish Seahorse" 
> wrote:
>
> On 29 December 2017 at 00:32, Nick Bolten  wrote:
> > That's a really great example of how it may make sense to separate out
> the
> > idea of a 'curb ramp' from the curb interface. I might have to steal it!
>
> Maybe `kerb=ramp`, leaving `kerb=lowered` for kerbs of low height?
>
> @Warin: Thanks for the links.
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Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

[Paul Johnson]

Also replying to myself...the high camera angle is misleading, you're not
getting over that ridge in a controlled manner; it's just tall enough that
even my pickup (a Chevy C2500) will not clear it without high-centering
(and breaking off the running boards in the process).

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick  > wrote:
>
>>
>> On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>>
>> How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a
>>> bidirectional road.
>>>
>>
>> Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from
>> oncoming traffic eg drive on left, bay is at left side of road, drive on
>> right = bay on right?
>>
>
> The default would be that side, but the midwestern US has emergency
> crossovers on most dual carriageway medians immediately before and after
> most overpasses and underpasses that often double as emergency bays if one
> isn't able to get off to the right shoulder, when present at all.
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7298398,-95.7640245,3a,75y,
> 345.08h,82.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1squqdnIAIVkVFtaJ2VvPQ6g!
> 2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DquqdnIAIVkVFtaJ2VvPQ6g%
> 26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%
> 26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D77.31143%
> 26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 is a pretty accurate example
> of a typical dual carriageway in the southern plains, though the hard
> shoulder tends to be optional if it's not an Interstate or Turnpike.
>
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Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
> On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a
>> bidirectional road.
>>
>
> Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from
> oncoming traffic eg drive on left, bay is at left side of road, drive on
> right = bay on right?
>

The default would be that side, but the midwestern US has emergency
crossovers on most dual carriageway medians immediately before and after
most overpasses and underpasses that often double as emergency bays if one
isn't able to get off to the right shoulder, when present at all.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7298398,-95.7640245,3a,75y,345.08h,82.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1squqdnIAIVkVFtaJ2VvPQ6g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DquqdnIAIVkVFtaJ2VvPQ6g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D77.31143%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
is a pretty accurate example of a typical dual carriageway in the southern
plains, though the hard shoulder tends to be optional if it's not an
Interstate or Turnpike.
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Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

[Philip Barnes]

Navigation apps manage it quite well, they have to use it on every roundabout 
for example.

I do think I have seen emergency bays on the offside at some time, wide dual 
carriageways may be in North America?

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 31 December 2017 21:17:44 GMT+00:00, "Matej Lieskovský" 
 wrote:
>I guess the problem is that for a bidirectional road it is not clear,
>which
>direction is oncoming traffic.
>
>On 31 Dec 2017 22:16, "Graeme Fitzpatrick" 
>wrote:
>
>>
>> On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt 
>wrote:
>>
>> How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case
>of a
>>> bidirectional road.
>>>
>>
>> Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from
>> oncoming traffic eg drive on left, bay is at left side of road, drive
>on
>> right = bay on right?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

[Andrew Davidson]

You would have thought so. However, Albert Pundt's example is a case with
the emergency bay on the left-hand side in a right-hand driving country  (
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-December/034494.html
).

On 1 Jan 2018 8:16 am, "Graeme Fitzpatrick"  wrote:


On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a
> bidirectional road.
>

Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from
oncoming traffic eg drive on left, bay is at left side of road, drive on
right = bay on right?

Thanks

Graeme


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Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

[Matej Lieskovský]

I guess the problem is that for a bidirectional road it is not clear, which
direction is oncoming traffic.

On 31 Dec 2017 22:16, "Graeme Fitzpatrick"  wrote:

>
> On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a
>> bidirectional road.
>>
>
> Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from
> oncoming traffic eg drive on left, bay is at left side of road, drive on
> right = bay on right?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On 31 December 2017 at 19:47, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a
> bidirectional road.
>

Wouldn't an emergency bay always be on the side of the road away from
oncoming traffic eg drive on left, bay is at left side of road, drive on
right = bay on right?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Kerbs

[Matej Lieskovský]

How does this work with roads raised to the level of the sidewalk?

On 31 Dec 2017 19:43, "Selfish Seahorse"  wrote:

On 29 December 2017 at 00:32, Nick Bolten  wrote:
> That's a really great example of how it may make sense to separate out the
> idea of a 'curb ramp' from the curb interface. I might have to steal it!

Maybe `kerb=ramp`, leaving `kerb=lowered` for kerbs of low height?

@Warin: Thanks for the links.

Wishing everyone a happy new year!

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Re: [Tagging] Kerbs

[Selfish Seahorse]

On 29 December 2017 at 00:32, Nick Bolten  wrote:
> That's a really great example of how it may make sense to separate out the
> idea of a 'curb ramp' from the curb interface. I might have to steal it!

Maybe `kerb=ramp`, leaving `kerb=lowered` for kerbs of low height?

@Warin: Thanks for the links.

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Re: [Tagging] Variable position

[Matej Lieskovský]

I suspect I did not describe the situation well enough. The park is 2.4 ha.
There are some fixed benches in some parts of the park and cca 50 moveable
ones in the main area, where there are no fixed benches. The moveable
benches line three paths in somewhat irregular intervals of about 10m. I
suspect the benches are moved by a few meters by the gardeners in order to
spread out the wear on the grass underneath them and make it easier to mow
the grass. While the benches line both sides of about 250m of paths, they
don't move too far from their original positions.

The current situation is that the benches are mapped according to some
ortho. While inaccurate, I still think that describes the current situation
better than some area.

On 30 Dec 2017 09:31, "Martin Koppenhoefer"  wrote:

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> sent from a phone
>
> > On 28. Dec 2017, at 14:06, Matej Lieskovský 
> wrote:
> >
> > The benches are there, quite probably within 10m of their location in
> the map. While this is abysmal accuracy, it is not entirely wrong.
>
>
> 10m absolute location accuracy for a spot within a much bigger area isn’t
> abysmal at all, it is typical.
> Some hundred meters would be abysmal accuracy.
>
> Still, with several benches and this location precision it could mean a
> heart shaped arrangement of benches, a star, a circle, an S, etc. and
> therefore quite misleading overall
>
>
> cheers,
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[Tagging] lunch_specials or lunch:specials ?

[Thilo Haug OSM]

Hello all,

I stumbled on a bakery which serves warm meals for lunch
which is quite unusual (whereas it's common for butchers in Germany)
http://www.schmidbeck.de/aktuelles.html

There are currently 5 occurrences of lunch_specials on taginfo :
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=lunch_specials

I think it would be better to use the namespace of Key:lunch instead :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lunch

Now for the description of the tag :
To me, the "lunch special" is a warm meal
for a reduced price that might be offered by a
butcher
restaurant
cafe
pub
bar
biergarten
and others

Usually, there's just a reduced choice
compared to "a la carte" (1-3 meals),
but it's available immediately (similar to fast food).
Not necessarily for takeaway, but there are already tags to indicate if
this applies.

Any additional comments ?

Cheers,
Thilo


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Re: [Tagging] Emergency pull-offs

[Albert Pundt]

Ah, yes, that makes sense. I tried searching various terms but it seems I
missed this page... Thanks!

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> highway=emergency_bay
>
> On 31 Dec 2017 3:53 a.m., "Andrew Harvey" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm mapped these as highway=service, interested to hear if anyone has been
> using a different tag, possibly combined with service=?
>
> On 31 Dec. 2017 1:45 pm, "Albert Pundt"  wrote:
>
>> No, that's a truck escape ramp, which serves a totally different purpose
>> (runaway truck vs. breakdowns and other reasons to stop), and would if
>> anything be a more dangerous place to pull off than elsewhere on the
>> shoulder, since runaway trucks coming down from a hill are expected to be
>> able to just barrel right onto one at any time.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Andrew Harvey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Could be http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Descape
>>>
>>> On 31 Dec. 2017 1:36 pm, "Albert Pundt"  wrote:
>>>
 How are emergency pull-offs 
 generally mapped? I can't find anything on the wiki, so they're either have
 no agreed-upon tag, or it's done with some British/European term I don't
 know.

 —Albert

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[Tagging] emergency bays - which side?

[Volker Schmidt]

The tag highway=emergency_bay as node is in use 3700 times, even though it
is still only a proposal.

How do I indicate the side of the road the EB is serving in the case of a
bidirectional road.
I could see two valid approaches:
direction=forward|backward
emergency_bay=right|left
It seems that none of these has been used so far, most likely because the
mapping so far has only regarded one-way roads.

Volker
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