Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[John Willis]

Thanks for all the comments everyone. 

Javbw

> On Feb 18, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> highway=service _area
> service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse,  etc 

Warin's suggestion is probably best, that way the wheel doesn't have to be 
reinvented for each type, service_area can just get another subtag value. 

If we were starting from scratch, I would use highway=services and then 
services=foobar to define type. 

But highway=services is explicitly for motorway service areas now; I think 
trying to extend that tag will just lead to confusion. 

I think hgv is already covered by motorway=services. Am I wrong? 



Please reply back to tell me specific services offered for a type (beyond 
food/shelter/toilets) That are at facilities which are: 

Self-identified, way-adjacent, type-specific facilities offering specific and 
general amenities to that type of transient traveller (kayak? Cycle? Horse? 
Hiker?) That isn't a park, sports complex, convenience store, or a retail shop.


- self-identify as service_area for a specific type. There may they be a nice 
convenience store along the route with a bike pump and a parking rack - but it 
is just a 7/11. 

- Must not be confused with a facility dedicated to that activity - an 
equestrian center, a MBX off-road park, etc. Service_area is a facility for 
transient visitors, just passing through.  

- Must be a facility along a dedicated route (bridlepath for horses, for 
example) or busy area for the specific type.  This is not a shop in a mall. 

- Must offer amenities specific to the type (bicycle maintaince, watering spot 
for horses). Additional non-specific amenities are usually present as well 
(food, shelter, toilets), that could be used by anyone visiting there, but that 
is not a defining feature. A park could have a picnic shelter, a toilet, a 
cycle rack and a vending machine. It is a park. 

- Must be more than a souvioir shop / [type] rental / torestaurant/ [type] 
shop/ or a convenience store with parking. It may have a restaurant or such, 
but the pesence of such does not define it as a service_area. 



With feedback, I can include some common types in the draft page and use some 
amenities offered as defining features, and present what existing tags go with 
such a facility. 

Javbw. 



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Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[Volker Schmidt]

highway=service_area
> service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse,
>
> As I said, I think we need multiple value possibility for this, hence
semicolon separator
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Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[Warin]

No 'type' ! 'Type' says nothing so why say it.

Suggestion?
highway=service _area
service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse,  etc



On 18-Feb-18 05:31 AM, Thilo Haug OSM wrote:


Hi Volker,

the way I understand the current syntax,
underscore is more for spaces (in terms)
and colon for namespaces (to separate the "subcategory").

So I'd use vehicle:type=* rather than vehicle_type=*
(leaves room for vehicle:anythingelse=*)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace

Cheers,
Thilo


Am 17.02.2018 um 14:44 schrieb Volker Schmidt:

I would prefer a tag structure of the type
highway=service _area (or highway=services ?)
vehicle_type=bicycle; motorcycle; car; agricultural; hgv; 
motor_vehicle (with default vehicle_type=motor_vehicle?)

attendant=yes|no

I have come across a number of (manned) service places where 
different vehicles are attended to, including bicycles.


On 17 February 2018 at 11:52, nwastra > wrote:


I also find the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and
specific enough to be a widely used tag if documented on the osm
cycling pages.
nev


On 17 Feb 2018, at 8:40 PM, John Willis > wrote:



Javbw

On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout
> wrote:


think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and
specific enough.


I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very
rare places here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question
thread is a sun protection or picnic shelter with name=Cycle
Rest Area.

Javbw


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Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[Thilo Haug OSM]

Hi Volker,

the way I understand the current syntax,
underscore is more for spaces (in terms)
and colon for namespaces (to separate the "subcategory").

So I'd use vehicle:type=* rather than vehicle_type=*
(leaves room for vehicle:anythingelse=*)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace

Cheers,
Thilo


Am 17.02.2018 um 14:44 schrieb Volker Schmidt:
> I would prefer a tag structure of the type
> highway=service _area (or highway=services ?)
> vehicle_type=bicycle; motorcycle; car; agricultural; hgv;
> motor_vehicle (with default vehicle_type=motor_vehicle?)
> attendant=yes|no
>
> I have come across a number of (manned) service places where different
> vehicles are attended to, including bicycles.
>
> On 17 February 2018 at 11:52, nwastra  > wrote:
>
> I also find the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and
> specific enough to be a widely used tag if documented on the osm
> cycling pages.
> nev
>  
>> On 17 Feb 2018, at 8:40 PM, John Willis > > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Javbw
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and
>>> specific enough.
>>
>> I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very
>> rare places here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question
>> thread is a sun protection or picnic shelter with name=Cycle Rest
>> Area. 
>>
>> Javbw 
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Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[Volker Schmidt]

I would prefer a tag structure of the type
highway=service _area (or highway=services ?)
vehicle_type=bicycle; motorcycle; car; agricultural; hgv; motor_vehicle
(with default vehicle_type=motor_vehicle?)
attendant=yes|no

I have come across a number of (manned) service places where different
vehicles are attended to, including bicycles.

On 17 February 2018 at 11:52, nwastra  wrote:

> I also find the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and
> specific enough to be a widely used tag if documented on the osm cycling
> pages.
> nev
>
>
> On 17 Feb 2018, at 8:40 PM, John Willis  wrote:
>
>
>
> Javbw
>
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout 
> wrote:
>
> think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific
> enough.
>
>
> I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very rare
> places here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question thread is a sun
> protection or picnic shelter with name=Cycle Rest Area.
>
> Javbw
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[Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[nwastra]

I also find the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific 
enough to be a widely used tag if documented on the osm cycling pages.
nev
 
> On 17 Feb 2018, at 8:40 PM, John Willis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Javbw
> 
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout  > wrote:
> 
>> think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific enough.
> 
> I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very rare places 
> here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question thread is a sun protection 
> or picnic shelter with name=Cycle Rest Area. 
> 
> Javbw 
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Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

[John Willis]

Javbw

> On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
> 
> think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific enough.

I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very rare places 
here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question thread is a sun protection or 
picnic shelter with name=Cycle Rest Area. 

Javbw 


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Re: [Tagging] wayside shrine tag definition page

[John Willis]

Tomoya - Thanks for the translation help! I wasn't expecting that. 

 This particular building is 300m into the forest, at the top of a small hill, 
accessed only by a walking trail. I assumed it was a shrine for the hill it is 
on. Would a Mikoshi be stored so far away from the road? 

I know of several portable shrine storehouses (two story tall "garages" for the 
large wagon-style ones used in Omama and Kiryu), but I do not know a lot about 
the smaller mikoshi carried by a few people. 

Is "building=garage" standard tagging for mikoshi storage buildings of any 
size? 

Javbw. 

> On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:49 PM, tomoya muramoto  wrote:
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> > https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn
> 
> * 1st and 2nd: Shinto shrine?
> I cannot deside its a Shinto shrine or not. It could be a Shinto 
> garage(Mikoshi is placed in it).
> If so, I would tag it as building=garage(or yes) + religion=shinto (without 
> amenity=place_of_worship).
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