Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Peter Elderson wrote: > I wish you a happy trip on that bus, hope it has toilets and a tolerable > coffee machine > Oh, you sweet, summer child. Someone's never tried to take a suburban route in the US, even in a "transit oriented" American

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:23 AM, wrote: > I interpret roundtrip as “you can get from a stop to another stop that’s * > *before** it in the list of stops by simply remaining in the vehicle”. > That's how I interpret it as well. Tulsa Transit route 222 seems

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread osm.tagging
From: Philip Barnes Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2018 03:53 I enjoy linear walks from a to b as you can cover more ground, or at least more diverse ground, 2.pi.r and all that. Generally they involve public transport for one of two parts but its still a round trip. Bus from

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
> On May 26, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > > > then have service > > be for "place you can drive that is not a legal road". But you still have service=parking_aisle for car parks, & similar classifications. Around here, at least, areas such as shopping centre car

Re: [Tagging] sale off road, also second-hand.

2018-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/05/18 21:08, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote: On 26/05/18 13:04, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote: Hi all, I just registered, sorry for the English very bad, do not speak and use an automatic translator. A set of this list, it was suggested to ask here, so here I am.

Re: [Tagging] Sample tagging for highways with no lane markings

2018-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/05/18 23:13, Tod Fitch wrote: On May 26, 2018, at 5:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 24. May 2018, at 05:47, Tod Fitch wrote: By the way, I don’t see a way to tag the accuracy or confidence level for a

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread John Willis
> On May 26, 2018, at 11:54 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > I use highway=service service=driveway for the entire > length of the way, even the end part that is within the government-owned > road parcel. +1 Javbw ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > Well, for PT I have no opinion whether tagging roundtrip is applicable. > But how would you tag the London hop-on tours... Again, no opinion. > After having a quick look at some of them, then roundtrip is not

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I enjoy linear walks from a to b as you can cover more ground, or at least more diverse ground, 2.pi.r and all that. Generally they involve public transport for one of two parts but its still a round trip. Bus from A to B, walk from B to C, train from C to A. If using trains you can even take

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
Well, for PT I have no opinion whether tagging roundtrip is applicable. But how would you tag the London hop-on tours... Again, no opinion. For hiking & cycling it is important for data users to know if you return at the start when you just follow the waymarks. It's a major selection/ordering

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > I do a lot of one-day walking trips with groups... they actually fit quite > nicely with your descriptions. The route usually ends where it starts. You > have a fixed order of POI's, one or more planned stops at fixed

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
I do a lot of one-day walking trips with groups... they actually fit quite nicely with your descriptions. The route usually ends where it starts. You have a fixed order of POI's, one or more planned stops at fixed locations, and they (the others or the group leader) get upset when someone is not

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > Still thinking... > If in British English round trip just means you start at A, go to B, do > all kinds of things in between or not, then later return at A, no matter if > it's via the same route or a different route,

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > If I understand you correctly, in British English round trip is not about > the route at all, it is about the journey, the service and practical > arrangements. While American English adds the actual route and the

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
Still thinking... If in British English round trip just means you start at A, go to B, do all kinds of things in between or not, then later return at A, no matter if it's via the same route or a different route, as long as it's in one go: then a waymarked "circular" foot or bicycle route actually

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> On 26. May 2018, at 10:41, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: >> >> I don’t mind, but it isn’t necessary for tag consistency (only if you want >> service to be private) > > > the highway page

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
If I understand you correctly, in British English round trip is not about the route at all, it is about the journey, the service and practical arrangements. While American English adds the actual route and the priceing. To me, this means that the roundtrip key (if at all useful) is not applicable

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 26, 2018, at 12:02 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My take for water bodies: > > Perennial: I expect to find water here at any time. Exceptions: drought > > Seasonal: I expect to find water here on a yearly cycle, usually for months. > Exceptions: drought > >

Re: [Tagging] Sample tagging for highways with no lane markings

2018-05-26 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 26, 2018, at 5:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 24. May 2018, at 05:47, Tod Fitch wrote: >> >> By the way, I don’t see a way to tag the accuracy or confidence level for a >> measurement. Seems

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
we are now mostly speaking about bus routes, but this property could also be interesting for walking and cycling routes. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: When applied to a route, I would leave out that it is the same vehicle, > because when you book or buy a round trip, most of the time you have a > different vehicle for the return trip. > You've strayed into the

Re: [Tagging] Sample tagging for highways with no lane markings

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. May 2018, at 05:47, Tod Fitch wrote: > > By the way, I don’t see a way to tag the accuracy or confidence level for a > measurement. Seems like we ought to have something like *:confidence=*, > similar to the *:lanes tagging so we could, for

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
> A vehicle that goes from A > to B, then returns along the reverse route to A, is said in British > English to perform a "round trip". When applied to a route, I would leave out that it is the same vehicle, because when you book or buy a round trip, most of the time you have a different vehicle

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/05/18 17:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > So ... why have seasonal? > > Because it may be useful for data consumers (and sometimes routers) to know, for example, if water is present only during winter. It helps in

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
I'm good with that if there is no major objection. 2018-05-26 12:45 GMT+02:00 Jo : > For validation purposes it would be interesting to know if the ways in the > route relation are supposed to form a closed loop. Can we adopt > closed_loop=yes for that use case? > > Polyglot

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread marc marc
Le 26. 05. 18 à 12:10, Peter Elderson a écrit : > the correct meaning considering the great diversity of interpretation of this tag, what is in your opinion the correct meaning? when should roundtrip changed in circular ? and when not ? > route:circular=yes with this kind of key, I have the

Re: [Tagging] sale off road, also second-hand.

2018-05-26 Thread liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu
On 26/05/18 13:04, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu wrote: Hi all, I just registered, sorry for the English very bad, do not speak and use an automatic translator. A set of this list, it was suggested to ask here, so here I am. Should I tag a dealership where they sell off-road vehicle,

[Tagging] sale off road, also second-hand.

2018-05-26 Thread liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu
Hi all, I just registered, sorry for the English very bad, do not speak and use an automatic translator. A set of this list, it was suggested to ask here, so here I am. Should I tag a dealership where they sell off-road vehicle, even second hand, and I thought these tags initially:

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Jo
For validation purposes it would be interesting to know if the ways in the route relation are supposed to form a closed loop. Can we adopt closed_loop=yes for that use case? Polyglot 2018-05-26 12:10 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson : > I would like to wrap this up, without a

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
I would like to wrap this up, without a formal proposal process, if there is no fundamental objection. Afterwards, I will announce it in the Dutch community and arrange the re-tagging of existing usage. I suggest: * Update the wiki page for key: roundtrip, to reflect the correct meaning, and

Re: [Tagging] how to tag place where horse-drawn carriages wait for tourists?

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:55, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Tourists typically select one of proposed rides and driver drives around the > city, while > > pre-recorder audio guide is played > i.e. it is a kind of private tourist tour? (you hire a

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26. May 2018 10:57 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:52, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > > >> >> I think that street_vendor=yes would fit - they are selling

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:52, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I think that street_vendor=yes would fit - they are selling service, not a > physical > > product so it also should fit (but if it is not true then it is a good time > to complain). >

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:49, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > It gets trickier than expected as in some cases there are roofs > > over marketplace/street that are typical trading places... > yes, and again in other cases there are also walls around

Re: [Tagging] how to tag place where horse-drawn carriages wait for tourists?

2018-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
25. May 2018 22:18 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > On 25. May 2018, at 19:54, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > > >> But what about donkeys? What about electric vehicles that offer very >> similar services -

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26. May 2018 00:45 by graemefi...@gmail.com : > How about "shops", or at least traders, that have nothing to do with food, or > selling a physical item? > We have a number of surf schools (learn how to ride a surfboard) that operate > out of a van & set up in the

Re: [Tagging] marking shop as street vendor

2018-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
25. May 2018 22:38 by dieterdre...@gmail.com : > sent from a phone > >> On 25. May 2018, at 19:59, Mateusz Konieczny <>> matkoni...@tutanota.com >> >> > wrote: >> >> I attempted to improve definition, and I ended with >> >> "shop

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:45, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > But feel free to make a good proposal for handling this transition replace highway is service and service is alley with the former plus OR highway is alley in your evaluation rules ;-)

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26. May 2018 10:17 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > > On 26/05/18 17:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > >> >> >> >> 26. May 2018 09:02 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com >> >> : >> >>

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I don’t mind, but it isn’t necessary for tag consistency (only if you want > service to be private) the highway page sees service roads as part of the road network btw:

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26. May 2018 10:32 by jo...@mac.com : > > >> On May 26, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Greg Troxel <>> g...@lexort.com >> >> > wrote: >> >> The fix is to add highway=alley, for things that are too small but >> nevertheless fit the legal definition of a road, and

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone On 26. May 2018, at 10:32, John Willis wrote: >> The fix is to add highway=alley, for things that are too small but >> nevertheless fit the legal definition of a road, and then have service >> be for "place you can drive that is not a legal road". > > Sounds

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. May 2018, at 10:17, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So ... why have seasonal? for seasonal features? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-26 Thread John Willis
> On May 26, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > The fix is to add highway=alley, for things that are too small but > nevertheless fit the legal definition of a road, and then have service > be for "place you can drive that is not a legal road". Sounds great to me. If

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Warin
On 26/05/18 17:18, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 26. May 2018 09:02 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : On 21/05/18 07:57, Warin wrote: On 20/05/18 18:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 19. May 2018 04:33 by 61sundow...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
26. May 2018 09:02 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > > On 21/05/18 07:57, Warin wrote: > > >> >> On 20/05/18 18:33, Mateusz Koniecznywrote: >> >> >>> 19. May 2018 04:33 by >>> 61sundow...@gmail.com >>>

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Warin
On 21/05/18 07:57, Warin wrote: On 20/05/18 18:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 19. May 2018 04:33 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : The intermittent tag continues to be confused with seasonal. Possibly this is because some want to use it to indicate that a

Re: [Tagging] RFC proposed water property key 'ephemeral '

2018-05-26 Thread Warin
On 25/05/18 20:09, Nick Bolten wrote: > The tag provides mapper a way of tagging rivers and streams that is presently not available. > That will vary .. year to year and decade to decade ... to much change? > This too will vary. I think something might be getting lost in translation, since