[Tagging] landuse=sand

[Warin]

There are some 500 landuse=sand in the data base. This is not good.


Some of these are tagged together with golf=bunker and 
leisure=playground .. those should be tagged with surface=sand.



Some are the only tag on the way and should be re-tagged natural=sand.


I have already changed a few. Are there any comments on changing 
landuse=sand, before it becomes like landuse=grass etc,?


 Should I raise this on the general talk list?



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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - ephemeral -STOPPED

[Warin]

Voting stopped due to removal of section.


Will restart after correction. Old votes will go to the discussion page.


On 17/07/18 08:32, Warin wrote:

Hi,

The proposal for the property key ephemeralis open for voting.

Link to the page - 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ephemeral



If you vote for the key, then please also vote on the key intermittent 
either being a default or a manual entry.


For some past discussion on the intermittent tag see the discussion page.




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[Tagging] US Forest Service (USDA) and logging

[Michael Patrick]

>
> > Apparently areas used for logging-related purposes are not to be mapped
> in
> > OSM .. there are no tags available for this land use.
> > We simply cannot map them.
> >
>
> Well, this complicates things for the US, most national forests are for
> this purpose.
>

Actually, it is not 'most' ... 2,000 Million total acres of land, only 150
Million under unreserved forest land (timberland). And of that actual
harvesting affects only 10 million acres in the U.S. annually, or about
1.3% of all forest land. But, I agree, it is 'complicated':

"Forest-wide management requirements (standards and guidelines) for
resources and activities such as vegetation management, timber, wilderness,
fish and wildlife habitat, grazing, recreation, mineral exploration and
development, water and soils, cultural and historic resources, research
natural areas, and diversity of plant and animal communities. ...The
activities described in a management area prescription might include
motorized recreation, non-motorized recreation, ski areas, timber harvest,
livestock grazing, mineral exploration and development, roads and trails,
buildings, fire and fuels management, invasive species control, research
activities, and protection of resources such as air, water, riparian areas,
soils, wildlife habitat, species diversity, or cultural and historic
resources. "

Most state forest plans also follow the same multiple use model. And
'private' timberland is about the same amount of area as the public
timberland.

Michael Patrick
Data Ferret
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Re: [Tagging] Golf wiki page

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On 17 July 2018 at 08:46, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I think the area cannot be used for logging.
>

 No, I agree that it can't be used for logging at the moment, & seeing that
the Club has been there for 40+ years, it is extremely unlikely to be
returned to a logging area in the future! :-) (Although there is nothing
stopping the Forestry Commission from cancelling their lease & replanting
the area :-()

There is a saw mill in the Tumut NSW Australia area (Batlow IIRC?) operated
> by the Forestry Commission, designated as a state forest .. yet it is
> correctly tagged as land use industrial in OSM. I would think the same
> applies to the golf course
>

Do you know if it's mapped as a multipolygon, as Paul suggested?


> it could be out of date, what ever the case what is on the ground should
> override any other source of information.
>

It could well be, however one of the notes for changes to the SF boundary
from earlier this year says "using Protected areas of Queensland -
boundaries - gazetted to 27 April 2018.", so it would appear that the
official boundary is still correct. Wouldn't that mean that if I just
changed the SF boundary now by pushing it back behind the Club, the next
time somebody does a Protected Areas of Qld update, it would move the
boundary back to the official line, returning this area to SF?

>
> Apparently areas used for logging-related purposes are not to be mapped in
> OSM .. there are no tags available for this land use.
> We simply cannot map them.
>

Guess we better not go there!
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[Tagging] waterway=fish_pass consistency

[François Lacombe]

Hi all,

A discussion has recently started about waterway=fish_pass here :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:waterway%3Dfish_pass

While writing
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hydropower_water_supplies
it was asked to not clutter waterway=* with spillway since it was a
specific usage of a man made canal.
Such ideas lead to separate waterway nature, usage and sometimes supporting
infrastructure to get a tagging model with 3 different corresponding keys.
A comprehensive table of waterways natures has been set here :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway#Values

May it be great to consider usage=fish_pass with waterway=* (canal,
presumably) for sake of consistency?

Feel free to read and comment on the Talk page

All the best

François
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Re: [Tagging] Golf wiki page

[Mateusz Konieczny]

17. Lipiec 2018 00:36 od graemefi...@gmail.com :


>>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:46 PM Mateusz Konieczny
>>>
 < matkoni...@tutanota.com  > wrote:
 > landuse=forest in OSM is for tree-covered area, not for area used for 
 > logging-related purposes

>
> But doesn't the wiki say that landuse=forest is for managed forests, intended 
> for logging purposes (or similar wording - can't open it ATM for some 
> reason?), which this entire area is?




 See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forest 
 for full detail.
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Re: [Tagging] Golf wiki page

[Mateusz Konieczny]

17. Lipiec 2018 00:46 od 61sundow...@gmail.com :

> Apparently areas used for logging-related purposes are not to be
> mapped in OSM ..




[citatation neeeded]


 

>  there are no tags available for this land use. 
> We simply cannot map them. 
>

 

landuse=logging is used 48k times and so far I heard no complaints about it

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Re: [Tagging] Golf wiki page

[Mateusz Konieczny]

16. Lipiec 2018 22:00 od kevin.b.kenny+...@gmail.com 
:


>  There is no widely
> accepted tag for "land that is used for forestry."



landuse=logging? 45k+ uses
Or start using landuse=forestry
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Re: [Tagging] Golf wiki page

[Paul Johnson]

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 17:47 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apparently areas used for logging-related purposes are not to be mapped in
> OSM .. there are no tags available for this land use.
> We simply cannot map them.
>

Well, this complicates things for the US, most national forests are for
this purpose.

>
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Re: [Tagging] Golf wiki page

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-07-17 0:37 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick :

> On 16 July 2018 at 08:56, Paul Allen  wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>> Use a multipolygon relation.
>>
>
> Thanks Paul, I'll give that a go when I get a chance.
>


the multipolygon relation is needed if you have to exclude something from
the inside of something else (or if you want to create (additional) polygon
objects from ways). If there is a nature reserve with a lake, you would not
want to exclude the lake, but if the reserve is a tree covered area, you
would want to exclude the lake. In other words: multipolygons should not be
used to fix rendering issues, they are for fixing data issues. In the case
of a "state forest", it is almost safe to assume that landuse=forest is not
the tag for all the areas (because those nature reserves tend to include
several landuses, there will not be trees everywhere in a state forest, I
guess).

Cheers,
Martin
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