Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Michael Tsang
On Sunday 19 August 2018 10:07:46 HKT Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I am most certainly not a local!, but going by > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curonian_Spit, it certainly doesn't appear to > be one "settlement"? Well, officially, The northern half is a "city" municipality (apart from Smiltynė

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Michael Tsang
On Sunday 19 August 2018 10:07:46 HKT Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On 19 August 2018 at 04:59, Yves wrote: > > Who cares if the presence of a post office is the criterum to be a > > 'village' for a 200 people place if it's the only inhabited place 100km > > around? > > This is a problem we

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I am most certainly not a local!, but going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curonian_Spit, it certainly doesn't appear to be one "settlement"? On 19 August 2018 at 04:59, Yves wrote: > > Who cares if the presence of a post office is the criterum to be a > 'village' for a 200 people place if

Re: [Tagging] Highways going through military camp: access=private or access=military?

2018-08-18 Thread Warin
Private will get renders to notice it. May be tag access=private private=military ?? On 19/08/18 04:47, David Marchal wrote: Hello, there. All is in the title: when access to a road is restricted to military, as it is running through a base, should I tag it access=private or

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Warin
On 19/08/18 04:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 17. Aug 2018, at 13:43, Christoph Hormann wrote: If you want to map the river width tag width=*, if you don't want to map the width then don't create classes based on width thresholds. river size is not about width alone,

Re: [Tagging] use of points even when it clearly defines a building?

2018-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2018, at 10:01, seirra wrote: > > in that case wouldn't it make more sense to just put start_date:building so > there was just one object with the same information? how many objects you see depends on you, but to me, few objects with simple, straightforward,

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
PS: Or, in case access is granted only to pedestrians: > > foot=destination foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct-Apr 07:00-20:00; May-Sep 07:00-22:30) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Saturday, August 18, 2018, Jmapb wrote: > > > Any particular reason to include the day numbers rather than just using > the month name to indicate the whole month? > The reason is i forgot to remove the day numbers when copy-pasting. :-) You can omit them (but you don't have to).:

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Yves
What is perceived locally as a hamlet or a suburb or a village can be organized at the local level. Who cares if the presence of a post office is the criterum to be a 'village' for a 200 people place if it's the only inhabited place 100km around? Who understand administrative levels in another

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread djakk djakk
Place=village and administrative=village or =hamlet ? djakk Le sam. 18 août 2018 à 20:50, José G Moya Y. a écrit : > Well, from the mapping point of view, these political differences between > a Spanish small village and a Spanish big hamlet matter: > > 1) Villages have their own major, so

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread José G Moya Y .
Well, from the mapping point of view, these political differences between a Spanish small village and a Spanish big hamlet matter: 1) Villages have their own major, so they have a town hall. 2) Villages have their own local rules on max speed, buildings, street markets and banking holidays. So a

[Tagging] Highways going through military camp: access=private or access=military?

2018-08-18 Thread David Marchal
Hello, there. All is in the title: when access to a road is restricted to military, as it is running through a base, should I tag it access=private or access=military? The first gives the right restriction, but the second is more precise, although not documented (about 1.8k uses according to

Re: [Tagging] areas of risk

2018-08-18 Thread djakk djakk
For such a subjective thing, it should be mapped by each openstreetmap member : djakk maps this area as dangerous, baloo as not dangerous, etc and the renderer makes an average. djakk Le sam. 18 août 2018 à 06:26, Paul Johnson a écrit : > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 16:17 Adam Franco wrote:

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread djakk djakk
I agree with Michael, openstreetmap should reflect what the mapers see, not what the politics and the administration see. Though it is also interesting to map administrative things like borders. djakk Le sam. 18 août 2018 à 17:33, Yves a écrit : > Michael, you don't seem to take the right

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2018, at 13:43, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > If you want to map the river width tag width=*, if you don't want to map > the width then don't create classes based on width thresholds. river size is not about width alone, the most generic approach to measure

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread Jmapb
On 8/18/2018 4:51 AM, Warin wrote: Local conditions could mean a pedestrian way is accessible by a bicycle, a moped... in which case the conditional tagging would go to access=destination access:conditional=yes @ (Oct 1-Apr 30 07:00-20:00, May 1-Sep 30 07:00-22:30) Thanks both of you --

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Yves
Michael, you don't seem to take the right direction to construct a fruitful discussion with Jose :) For your first issue, did you reach the Lithuanian and Russian community? Yves Le 18 août 2018 16:37:28 GMT+02:00, Michael Tsang a écrit : >On Saturday 18 August 2018 22:10:15 HKT José G Moya Y.

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Michael Tsang
On Saturday 18 August 2018 22:10:15 HKT José G Moya Y. wrote: > Plwase take into notice that, in some countries, the difference between > suburb, hamlet, town or village is not only based on population but in > political issues, such as self-government, also. > > When I see my hometown is defined

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Peter Elderson
Without getting into scientific, expert or philosophic discussions, I think it would not hurt to have a standardized way of recording say a bandwidth for dimensions like width and ele. The example in this case was width=3 m - 6 m or so, with the assumpion this notation would not be usable to

Re: [Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread José G Moya Y .
Plwase take into notice that, in some countries, the difference between suburb, hamlet, town or village is not only based on population but in political issues, such as self-government, also. When I see my hometown is defined as "aldea" (hamlet) in wikidata I always got angry, because, being

[Tagging] consensus needed: officially a town but visibly distinct settlements?

2018-08-18 Thread Michael Tsang
Dear all, I visited the whole Curonian Spit last month (the whole 100 km from Zelenogradsk to Smiltynė) and made some edits on it according to observations from my eye. These edits got reverted on the basis that I have "no local knowledge" (I made the edits completely on observations - "If it

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Saturday, August 18, 2018, SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > foot=destination > foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct 1-Apr 30 07:00-20:00, May 1-Sep 30 07:00-22:30) > Sorry, i've made a mistake: there should be a semicolon instead of a comma: foot:conditional=yes @ (Oct 1-Apr 30 07:00-20:00; May 1-Sep 30

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Warin
On 18/08/18 18:44, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Saturday 18 August 2018, Peter Elderson wrote: Sure. But is there a standard method to indicate this uncertainty in OSM, which can be processed by data consumers? This is outside the scope of of OSM IMO and not practical for mappers to determine

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread Warin
On 18/08/18 17:19, SelfishSeahorse wrote: Hi On Friday, August 17, 2018, Jmapb > wrote: I've got a pedestrian way behind a large apartment building (leads to a back entrance) that's restricted to residents only after hours. Or more precisely, it's signed

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 18 August 2018, Peter Elderson wrote: > Sure. But is there a standard method to indicate this uncertainty in > OSM, which can be processed by data consumers? This is outside the scope of of OSM IMO and not practical for mappers to determine in a meaningful way. You can specify the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Warin
How are data consumers going to use the data ??? Not much point in it for them I'd think. For mappers that come along later it may be a usefull guide for comparison with their measurements. But few mappers will be bothered entering it so I again don't see much point. I'd think tagging like

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Peter Elderson
Sure. But is there a standard method to indicate this uncertainty in OSM, which can be processed by data consumers? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 18 aug. 2018 om 01:35 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende > geschreven: > > What you are trying to refer to is 'measurement uncertainty'. >

Re: [Tagging] residents only after hours

2018-08-18 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Hi On Friday, August 17, 2018, Jmapb wrote: > I've got a pedestrian way behind a large apartment building (leads to a > back entrance) that's restricted to residents only after hours. Or more > precisely, it's signed "Open to the public Oct 1 - Apr 30 7am-8pm, May 1 - > Sep 30 7am-10:30pm." > >