Re: [Tagging] What is a terrace after all?

2018-09-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
André, "terraced housing" is a British English language term for what we would call row houses in America. If there is already a building outline for the whole row, and you would like to make it more precise by outlining each individual house, great! (As the wiki says, this is the preferred

Re: [Tagging] What is a terrace after all?

2018-09-09 Thread Warin
On 10/09/18 10:27, André Pirard wrote: Hi, According to my OSM readings, I thought that a terrace was something very special, but, according to dictionary.com , a terrace is most exactly like French, mainly a) raised ground, b) flat top of a

[Tagging] What is a terrace after all?

2018-09-09 Thread André Pirard
Hi, According to my OSM readings, I thought that a terrace was something very special, but, according to dictionary.com , a terrace is most exactly like French, mainly a) raised ground, b) flat top of a building c) an accessible area connected to a

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The legal definition of the baseline is the low tide line and also cuts across bays, inlets and estuaries. But OSM has always marked the coastline at the mean high water line, and that is also the line shown on most maps. It is also much easier to verify than the low water baseline, which by

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 08:25, Colin Smale wrote: > So are we getting any closer to consensus on where the coastline should > cross the river? I think only if it is "somewhere between the tidal limit > and the sea". Are all "crossing points" then equally valid? Or can we > expect strong

Re: [Tagging] Designated value as a key

2018-09-09 Thread Johnparis
I said "for example." Taginfo has 2716 different values for the "access" key, only a few of which are documented. On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 11:48 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 9. Sep 2018, at 14:53, Johnparis wrote: > > BTW, I have deduced through observation that

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-09 23:35, David Groom wrote: > -- Original Message -- > From: "Joseph Eisenberg" > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Sent: 07/09/2018 04:02:26 > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves? > >> I've now edited the coastline in the area mentioned.

Re: [Tagging] Designated value as a key

2018-09-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Sep 2018, at 14:53, Johnparis wrote: > > BTW, I have deduced through observation that certain "wild" access tags are > the equivalent of access=no + [access_type]=yes. So, for example, a simple > "access=bicycle" means "bicycle only" which is equivalent to the

Re: [Tagging] Designated value as a key

2018-09-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Sep 2018, at 12:44, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Local bus is already covered by the psv tag, public service vehicle. +1, the “bus” tag means local bus, coaches (other vehicles of type bus that don’t act as psv) are tagged with “tourist_bus” Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread David Groom
-- Original Message -- From: "Joseph Eisenberg" To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: 07/09/2018 04:02:26 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves? I've now edited the coastline in the area mentioned. I have now added natural=coastline along all the ways

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 04:43, Christoph Hormann wrote: > I would probably use waterway=tidal_channel since the term 'creek' which > i think you have correctly identified as the English language term for > this is ambiguous ('creek' as you also say is also used for inland > waterways). The

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 09 September 2018, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > So I would favor a tagging scheme that would allow waterway=river as > the top=level tag. Also, I believe making new top-level tags is > discouraged. Using waterway=river for something that is definitely not a river would devalue existing

Re: [Tagging] Is waterway=riverbank an 'Old scheme' ?

2018-09-09 Thread Dave F
Ideally, yes. However I'm aware that with waterway=riverbank there's nothing inherently wrong, as there was with old style multipolygons*. It's just that the alternative are a better option. * This campaign was only half completed. There are still many examples where tags are on outer ways. I

Re: [Tagging] Designated value as a key

2018-09-09 Thread Johnparis
I agree that it is theoretically a problem for the software not to use access:bicycle=yes (for example) instead of bicycle=yes. I believe I've seen (from Thorsten?) a list of such tags, as a hierarchy. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation Data consumers always

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-09 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 at 12:15, Philip Barnes wrote: > The only signage on autoroute with voie pour vehicules lents is the start of > a new crawler lane in English and a sign indicating 'vehicules lents'. There > is no indication of a maximum speed for that lane, beyond at 130 you may come > up

Re: [Tagging] Designated value as a key

2018-09-09 Thread Lionel Giard
I'm not seeing much difference seeing "designated=bicycle" versus the in-use combinaison "bicycle=designated" (same for the other common tag like motor_vehicle) except that the first one would use a different "access paradigm" than everything else. That's not really a simplification to me, and i

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Martin, are you saying we need a new top level waterway=* tag? What would you use? Perhaps waterway=yes? That would be the most generic option, perhaps too broad? Or waterway=marine ? Waterway=tidal? The correct English term for these features is variable. In southwest England, they are called

Re: [Tagging] Designated value as a key

2018-09-09 Thread Philip Barnes
Local bus is already covered by the psv tag, public service vehicle. I assume by schoolar you mean scholar? I would consider scholar an outdated term, something my grandparents used to say. It is more common to refer to students in modern English, which I believe is what you have in Spanish?

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On 8 September 2018 21:06:11 CEST, SelfishSeahorse wrote: >On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 02:38, Paul Johnson wrote: >> I'm thinking, perhaps, a new access tag value: smv (slow moving >vehicle). Then you could (using my previous I 82 through the Cabbage >Patch climb) do something like

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

2018-09-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Sep 2018, at 07:00, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > What do you all think about using waterway=river & river=tidalchannel for > water channels in mangroves? IMHO we could have a tag for channels which could be applied also elsewhere and which is not river (rivers are

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-09 Thread Philip Barnes
The video is from the 70s, more passing places on more modern S1s are longer and will not require the vehicle being passed to slow down. If you time it right it is common to pass vehicles travelling in the opposite direction at 60 mph. Phil (trigpoint) On 8 September 2018 00:24:50 CEST, Dave

[Tagging] Designated value as a key

2018-09-09 Thread yo paseopor
Hi! When I tag the access to a way reading the meaning of the traffic sign I miss some specific conditions. I know I can do it at general times with key access, but in specific cases access is so "small for me". There are also conditional tags but with these two keys I don't arrive to cover local

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-09 Thread Dave Swarthout
Tom Pfeifer said: >What Martin means is, it depends on physical separation. If the lane is physically separated e.g. by >a barrier being at least a kerb, highway=service + service=* is fine. If not, the lane tagging comes >in, and we have an established tagging style for lane properties.