Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > I live in country with long ridges, and almost anything with enough isolation > and a little bit of prominence winds up being a named summit. Yea, long strings of peaks are difficult to deal with. A caldera relation would handle a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:25 PM John Willis wrote: > it would be nice if there was a "caldera relation" to connect them all together, which would allow the rendering of the named, yet overall unimportant =peaks to be reduced. The idea of a relation that would link a peak to its key col and line

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Piles of sand could also be used for flood control (eg to fill sandbags) Are there permanent mappable locations for such materials - materials purposefully set aside for a single purpose? I always think of sandbags as a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 24, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I am not even sure if restaurants are a type of retail Restaurants sell food. Unless it is an “amenity” that belongs to a larger thing, I assume that all restaurants are building=retail. this is especially true of fast food

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 9:51 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I don't think it works call each of those local high points on Mt Fuji's > crater a "hill", if they are all at >3000m elevation with steep slopes > dropping >1000 meters down to the valley or plain below. I think it does -

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 2:15 AM, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > I find it kind of unfitting to tag those as building=retail because the > kind of building is almost like a residential one (or like a hotel). the buildings look like a hotel (or was perhaps a hotel in the past) - but if it is just a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The small sub-summits around the caldera of a tall volcano (eg Mt Fuji) are a great example of why prominence=* is useful. I don't think it works call each of those local high points on Mt Fuji's crater a "hill", if they are all at >3000m elevation with steep slopes dropping >1000 meters down to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 25, 2018, at 5:08 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: > >> There is an attempt to document what a hill is and how its separated from a >> (natural=)peak by separating them on prominence. TL;DR - you are dealing with a very high volume of named “sub-peaks / prominences /

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The page for natural=peak lists natural=hill as a tagging error: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=peak But https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhill says: "Many natural =peak

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Andy Townsend
On 24/09/18 20:24, Fredrik wrote: Ref prominence, there is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=hill. There is an attempt to document what a hill is and how its separated from a (natural=)peak by separating them on prominence. Are you trying to create a new term there, are you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Fredrik
Ref prominence, there is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=hill. There is an attempt to document what a hill is and how its separated from a (natural=)peak by separating them on prominence. Please add a better description if you can. -- FredrikLindseth

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Tobias Zwick
What about buildings like these though? (de: "Gasthof" / "Gaststätte" - "guest yard" = tavern / "guest place" = restaurant) https://noew.infomaxnet.de/data/imxplatformj/images/301_gasthof_fink_bad_erlach_1.jpg http://www.norbert-maas.com/foto/800_tetzelstein-8889.jpg

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Topographic Prominence

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag, "prominence=*" has been in use for a number of years, but the proposal was abandoned before a vote back in 2009. I have revived the proposal and now request your comments and suggestions before bringing it to a vote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/key:prominence

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-24 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
On 24/09/2018 07:03, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Right! Especially on my island, New Guinea.  That’s why we need to check the height of saddles and peaks “by hand”, or better yet by survey with GPS. OSM is the right place for this data, and some map styles and database users will

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Default Language Format

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Please see the Proposal page for the new tag, "language:default=" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format Description: "Specify the default language format used for names, and recommend use of language-specific name tags. "By making it easier to use

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-24 Thread Dave F
Wouldn't those who need this information be using a contours overlay? Cheers DaveF On 23/09/2018 01:00, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I've been tagging peaks (natural=peak) with the key prominence= Prominence is a natural feature... ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-09-24 11:55 GMT+02:00 Joseph Eisenberg : > Well, OsmAnd lets you see different categories of buildings in different > colors. I was actually going to try this out in a branch of the standard > style (Openstreetmap Carto) to see if it could help. > Right now the main categories of buildings

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Well, OsmAnd lets you see different categories of buildings in different colors. I was actually going to try this out in a branch of the standard style (Openstreetmap Carto) to see if it could help. Right now the main categories of buildings fit with the areas: building=retail with landuse=retail

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-09-23 0:13 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > ... the German wiki says that service_times are for religous services! > no, it says they are also for religious services. It said it was for religious services in the short (template) definition, but which has been amended now to better comply with the

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-09-23 0:13 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > On 2018-09-22 23:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > maybe service_times could cover it, opening_hours are about something > different. > > > I agree they are different but the wiki infers that service_times are more > individual times (i.e. not periods)

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-09-24 8:08 GMT+02:00 Joseph Eisenberg : > I’d recommend tagging all retail buildings, including fast foot and > restaurants, with building=retail. > A building built for fast food can easily be converted to a sit-down, > full-service restaurant without any modifications to the building >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2018-09-24 5:37 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 7:52 AM Martin Koppenhoefer, > wrote: > >> I’ve recently used building=fast_food_restaurant >> but it is not used very often yet. >> > > Can you care to explain why building=retail is not enough detail? I would > think that

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’d recommend tagging all retail buildings, including fast foot and restaurants, with building=retail. A building built for fast food can easily be converted to a sit-down, full-service restaurant without any modifications to the building structure. And a restaurant in a storefront building could

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Right! Especially on my island, New Guinea. That’s why we need to check the height of saddles and peaks “by hand”, or better yet by survey with GPS. OSM is the right place for this data, and some map styles and database users will find it useful to analyze data about mountain areas and peaks.