Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-10-18 Thread John Willis
Hmm... The active shooter discussion brought up some good things to think about. As far as I know, we are not mapping the evacuation plans of individual buildings with assembly_point. When talking about the schools, we talked about shelters and assembly_points. The pitch at a public

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
By “map users” I meant database users and map renderers, sorry On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:59 AM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Map users could guess that the first language should be shown first; for > example, if default:language=fr;nl you can show name:fr= first, then > name:nl= , and fall back on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Map users could guess that the first language should be shown first; for example, if default:language=fr;nl you can show name:fr= first, then name:nl= , and fall back on name= if neither language-specific tags exist. In Brussels the order of names shown on signs actually alternates; one sign is:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Since not every feature has a name in both languages, database users should consider =fr;nl to mean “French name, Dutch name, or both”; so it’s an AND/OR operation. This way there is no need to add a separate default:language tag for any feature that have either a name:fr= tag or a name:nl= tag,

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Oct 2018, at 15:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Is WIkipedia definition > > "A delicatessen or deli is a retail establishment that sells a selection of > unusual or > foreign prepared foods" > > correct? > > Because in that case this shop would be exact

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Oct 2018, at 19:33, bkil wrote: > > The name field can be easily read from the receipt, signs on premise, > the menu or from the local authority's company registry. I agree for signs and similar, but on the receipt and from the company registry you don’t get the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Oct 2018, at 06:28, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > This would certainly be a mistake. However, the default:language tag for > Brussels would only be on the administrative boundary, not on individual > features. Only individual features with a name in a foreign

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Oct 2018, at 06:28, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > The tag default:language=fr;nl should prompt a map renderer or database user > to find both name:fr and name:nl. It is up to the map renderer to decide how > to display the two names, if they wish. this is a

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question

2018-10-18 Thread John Willis
We need to update the wiki then, to add further description. There are plenty of tags we use that are uncommon or have incomplete descriptions. My local temple made an erected a stele as-pictured (similar to the Takasaki one) last year. I think it's orgins are ancient, but still "in use" in

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-10-18 Thread bkil
How do you map the following? Two buildings next to each other have dedicated assembly points on the front yard. However the twist is that the assembly point of the first building is in front of the second building and vice versa. The reason is probably to both increase survival rate by taking

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Default Language Format

2018-10-18 Thread bkil
The name field can be easily read from the receipt, signs on premise, the menu or from the local authority's company registry. For example, based on our local registry, "KFC Gyorsétterem" is the official name of the following venue, and I've added some further properties as illustration:

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question

2018-10-18 Thread EthnicFood IsGreat
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 12:47:47 +0900 From: John Willis To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Subject: Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question Thanks, but marker only has seven uses - stele has about 5000. Also- Marker, to me, would be something you would find

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
18. Oct 2018 15:01 by g...@lexort.com : > So if we think of minor_line as encoding distribution vs transmission, > then it makes sense. But the idea that people that don't understand the > power system can tell the difference doesn't really seem right to me. > I

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question

2018-10-18 Thread Peter Elderson
"*A stele (/ˈstiːli/ STEE-lee )[Note 1] is a stone or wooden slab, generally taller than it is wide, erected in the ancient world

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-18 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 18. 10. 18 à 15:01, Greg Troxel a écrit : > the idea that people that don't understand the > power system can tell the difference doesn't really seem right to me. so how can my wife add a "this electrical cable" despite she has no idea what it means transmission <> distribution nor his

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
François Lacombe writes: > Le mar. 16 oct. 2018 à 00:20, Greg Troxel a écrit : > >> So I don't see how we can make "insulated" a big deal in tagging, >> defining the top-level tag, rather than being a detail to add when >> known. > > I agree with both of you Greg and Marc > Nevertheless, this

Re: [Tagging] historic=memorial tagging question

2018-10-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
Memorial=* tag is a bit broken at the moment. Its values can be both, what the memorial looks like, and what it commemorates. So the most common value is war_memorial, and that says what it commemorates. Almost all other values say what it looks like, so IMHO, we should stick with the "what it

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Mateusz Konieczny writes: > In my case I am interested in differentiating major power lines and > minor power lines without further details. > > Given power=liner and power=minor_line scheme existed before I joined > OSM and is really popular I guess that I am not alone. I find the wiki sort of

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-18 Thread François Lacombe
Le jeu. 18 oct. 2018 à 09:49, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > +1, if you don’t agree with the distinction you can simply treat line and > minor_line the same and pretend they were all mapped as line. > Which is a workaround and not a sustainable approach. The same was said for power=station,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Oct 2018, at 11:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Given power=liner and power=minor_line scheme existed before I joined OSM and > > is really popular I guess that I am not alone > +1, if you don’t agree with the distinction you can simply treat line and