Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Warin
On 22/10/18 09:56, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 08:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: I would opt for; depreciating amenity=embassy .. as they are used for embassies, consulates etc .. so you don't know what they are

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
In reviewing the Wiki for instructions on understanding and debugging relations, I came across this tantalizing snippet ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Advanced_editing#Relations) "JOSM allows you to sort members, and this is recommended for some types of relations. e.g. route

Re: [Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

2018-10-21 Thread Warin
On 22/10/18 14:17, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 22.10.2018 o 05:06, Dave Swarthout pisze: It would seem an easy fix to change all power=sub_station tags to power=substation without an individual inspection. I'm surprised that automated conversion is discouraged on the wiki page in this case. Seems

Re: [Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

2018-10-21 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 22.10.2018 o 05:06, Dave Swarthout pisze: > It would seem an easy fix to change all power=sub_station tags to > power=substation without an individual inspection. I'm surprised that automated conversion is discouraged on the wiki page in this case. Seems like simple 1:1 objects mapping.

Re: [Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

2018-10-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
It would seem an easy fix to change all power=sub_station tags to power=substation without an individual inspection. The other tag, power=station, is much more problematical because one cannot know for sure if that tag is correct. I think most new mappers already use the newer tagging guidelines

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs and Geysers

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Some hot springs just look like regular springs. But hot springs in volcanic areas are often sulfuric and may have heavy mineral content. The picture on the wiki page shows an impressive example. Others are boiling “mud pots”. I didn’t find any uses of alternative tagging of natural=spring with

[Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

2018-10-21 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, It has been noted that we still render power=station and power=sub_station in OSM Carto, even if they are both deprecated and replacement tags are much more popular by now: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3305#issuecomment-414058220 I would be happy to get rid of

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs and Geysers

2018-10-21 Thread Warin
On 22/10/18 11:15, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 09:44, Joseph Eisenberg mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: There are now over 500 hot springs mapped with natural=hot_spring. The tag was proposed way back in 2008 but the proposal was never approved.

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs and Geysers

2018-10-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 09:44, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > There are now over 500 hot springs mapped with natural=hot_spring. The tag > was proposed way back in 2008 but the proposal was never approved. Wiki: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhot_spring > Original proposal: >

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:19 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I used the OSM diary entry to do Public Transport. Might work for you . > People can make comments under it .. and you can edit the first entry you > made to correct errors and make changes. > See

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 2:49 PM Paul Allen wrote: > We shouldn't be asking mappers to guess if it's a line, a minor_line or a > cable before they can map anything. Those distinctions are > refinements that can be added later if further information becomes > available. > Thank you for

[Tagging] Hot springs and Geysers

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There are now over 500 hot springs mapped with natural=hot_spring. The tag was proposed way back in 2008 but the proposal was never approved. Wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dhot_spring Original proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Hot_Spring Some

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Warin
On 22/10/18 09:52, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:34 AM bkil +a...@gmail.com > wrote: It seems many would find a short video tutorial depicting these steps very handy. Would you mind sharing on Bitchute or on some other video

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Johnparis
The ID preset is a separate issue; presumably this would be easily changed by the ID developer once the tag is agreed. The "diplomatic" subtag already exists under amenity=embassy, so creating a top-level amenity=diplomatic suits the logic side of my brain, but I don't feel strongly about this.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Warin
That should be possible - it would come up with both tags - amenity=diplomatic with diplomatic=embassy, or amenity=diplomatic with diplomatic=consulate If you type 'tennis' what does ID come up with? sport=tennis with a selection of leisure=pitch, or something=sports_centre .. On 22/10/18

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 08:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I would opt for; > depreciating amenity=embassy .. as they are used for embassies, consulates > etc .. so you don't know what they are (unless it has a detailed sub tag) > introducing amenity=diplomatic and use the sub tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
As a new mapper, I would not have though to type “diplomatic” when searching for a tag for an embassy or consulate. It’s nice if mappers can just type “embassy” or “consulate” into the ID editor and have it pop up. So I like amenity=consulate On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 7:42 AM Warin

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:34 AM bkil wrote: > It seems many would find a short video tutorial depicting these steps very > handy. Would you mind sharing on Bitchute or on some other video hosting > site? > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 9:00 AM Dave Swarthout wrote: > I was wishing that someone

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 6:46 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Err .. in some places .. 'leaves down' does not occur :) > Yes. However, the fact that "leaves down" images are needed in *those* particular places to distinguish forest from water strongly suggests that there isn't another

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Warin
Err .. in some places .. 'leaves down' does not occur :) On 22/10/18 04:59, Kevin Kenny wrote: I'm somewhat familiar with a couple of places that Alaska Dave has mapped, and they're the sort of places where the shoreline must be mapped from winter, 'leaves down' aerials, because otherwise the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Warin
On 22/10/18 09:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 21. Oct 2018, at 19:20, Johnparis wrote: Question : there is existing tagging for such places, specifically amenity=embassy + diplomatic=consulate Frankly, I have never been happy with this tagging because a consulate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Oct 2018, at 19:20, Johnparis wrote: > > Question : there is existing tagging for such places, specifically > > amenity=embassy + diplomatic=consulate > > Frankly, I have never been happy with this tagging because a consulate isn't > really a subset of an

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Oct 2018, at 13:50, bkil wrote: > > I've seen many usages of tagging the area as desired (restaurant, playground, > etc.) and then only adding the extra tag barrier=fence on it to mean that the > area is surrounded by a fence. It renders perfectly, although I'm

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 03:24, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Can you get example of specific problems that you encountered > As mentioned once before, I'm with Dave! :-) Please start with the absolute basics - when & why should you use a relation, then how do you actually do it. Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 7:08 PM François Lacombe wrote: > > Agree with Marc marc, the best situation is power=line which can be > completed with other tags to give more precise and useful data. > +1 Without fully knowing all the ramifications I'd guess the line/cable distinction can be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
It looks as though the key in use is diplomatic in conjunction with amenity=embassy. There are several mapped in the Brazilian city of Curitiba. The reason I'm aware of these was that a friend was the Polish consul during the early 1990s. Jerry On 21/10/2018 18:01, Allan Mustard wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread François Lacombe
Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à 19:13, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > The same may be said about exactly any classification. Major power lines > and minor ones > > categorization is not unique to OSM tagging, the same split is present in > other maps. > Always doing so doesn't make data objective nor an

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Kevin Kenny
I'm somewhat familiar with a couple of places that Alaska Dave has mapped, and they're the sort of places where the shoreline must be mapped from winter, 'leaves down' aerials, because otherwise the shoreline is obscured by overhanging trees and matted aquatic vegetation. On Sun, Oct 21, 2018,

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread marc marc
Le 21. 10. 18 à 12:50, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Aren’t major lines usually part of the longer-distance transmission > system, and minor lines are local distribution? Like highway=primary vs > highway=residential? > > That seems like a useful and important distinction, well, as we can see

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
20. Oct 2018 09:03 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com : > > Le sam. 20 oct. 2018 à 04:07, Greg Troxel <> g...@lexort.com > > > a écrit : >> If so, I agree, but it's been explained that this fight happened a while >> ago and what we have now

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Is forest starting immediately on the water edge or is there a beach/marsh/whatever betweenwater and forest? With shoreline as border of both water and forest it is OK to reuse it, if there is - evencurrently unmapped - feature between them then reusing ways is only going to make life of

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
21. Oct 2018 14:06 by j...@liotier.org : > > On 10/21/18 11:23 AM, François Lacombe wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à >> 09:21, Martin Koppenhoefer <>> dieterdre...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
21. Oct 2018 14:58 by daveswarth...@gmail.com : > I was wishing that someone would write a short tutorial about relations, the > various concepts about tagging them, and problem solving when something goes > wrong with one. I have been unable to understand with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Johnparis
To answer the question from Mateusz, most consulates have a plaque outside with the name, such as "Consulat de Mali", and they are physically separate from the embassies even in cities (like Paris, where I live) where a country might have both (such as the USA does). Question : there is existing

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
21. Oct 2018 11:23 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com : > That's exactly my point: currently the necessary classification is made upon > subjective criterias> Big... small... minor... major what does that mean?> As > said things aren't so binary, what about lines

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
"but are not embassies as defined by international law" How the difference is visible in a ground survey done by somebody who is notan international law expert? 21. Oct 2018 19:01 by al...@mustard.net : > >

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-21 Thread Allan Mustard
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Consulate Consular representation of a foreign country in a host country as defined by the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread Dave Swarthout
I was wishing that someone would write a short tutorial about relations, the various concepts about tagging them, and problem solving when something goes wrong with one. I have been unable to understand with any degree of certainty how and why we create them, which is the reason I started this

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 10/21/18 11:23 AM, François Lacombe wrote: Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à 09:21, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> a écrit : no, the argument is that this is a basic distinction which anyone can make, without knowing about transmission, distribution or voltage. Line

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread bkil
I've seen many usages of tagging the area as desired (restaurant, playground, etc.) and then only adding the extra tag barrier=fence on it to mean that the area is surrounded by a fence. It renders perfectly, although I'm not sure if this is a preferred notation, as it is not discussed on the

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-21 Thread bkil
It seems many would find a short video tutorial depicting these steps very handy. Would you mind sharing on Bitchute or on some other video hosting site? On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 3:26 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > Works great, right up until you need to maintain it. So, you've got >> your

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Aren’t major lines usually part of the longer-distance transmission system, and minor lines are local distribution? Like highway=primary vs highway=residential? That seems like a useful and important distinction, and it usually goes along with the difference in voltage and the heights of the

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread François Lacombe
Le dim. 21 oct. 2018 à 09:21, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > > On 20. Oct 2018, at 09:03, François Lacombe > wrote: > > > > We all agree on necessarily classification, but the only argument in > favor of line/minor_line is they are too used to change. > > > no, the argument is that this is a

Re: [Tagging] Power=cable for low voltage lines?

2018-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Oct 2018, at 09:03, François Lacombe wrote: > > We all agree on necessarily classification, but the only argument in favor of > line/minor_line is they are too used to change. no, the argument is that this is a basic distinction which anyone can make, without