Re: [Tagging] Fwd: [tagging] Canoe route / nautical channels

2019-02-15 Thread Dave Swarthout
"Direction of flow" isn't quite right for a canoe route that crosses a lake. Also, it would be rare but not impossible, for a canoe route to move against the flow when traversing a stream. But, unless someone can think of a better way to word this, I'm okay with what's there. Such refinements can

Re: [Tagging] Waterway length

2019-02-15 Thread André Pirard
On 2019-02-16 00:41, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: The use of "distance" for river length distracts me as well. But I'm trying to find its origin on this wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:waterway

Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

2019-02-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 05:00, Markus wrote: > > According to our wiki it's waste=drugs (only 21 uses, but still more than > any waste=medic*). > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste > Would =drugs also apply to sharps bins for needle disposal? I would think they should have their

Re: [Tagging] Waterway length

2019-02-15 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
The use of "distance" for river length distracts me as well. But I'm trying to find its origin on this wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:waterway distance * (optional) Total length of river in kmCheers, Eugene сб, 16 февр.

Re: [Tagging] Waterway length

2019-02-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 01:38, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > André, that's correct but do you happen to know why "distance" was > selected for route and waterway length then? > No idea why, but rivers should certainly be shown with a length. EG The Nile rises in Lake Victoria & travels to the

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: [tagging] Canoe route / nautical channels

2019-02-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 00:12, Fernando Trebien wrote: > > For well-known partially unmarked shipping routes, I think there would > be no problem lifting the requirement of navigation marks. But I'm not > sure if this applies to canoe routes, which are usually not marked. > I'm neither a sailor

Re: [Tagging] Problems with Open Street Browser

2019-02-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Hi Stephan On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 at 19:16, Stephan Bösch-Plepelits wrote: > > Hi, tagging is really the wrong place, as this is for discussion how to > tag > items. > Yep, definitely, but couldn't find any contact method for OSB? > > Create an issue there:

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2019-02-15 Thread santamariense
> I also created a proposal, but I knew in advance it wouldn't be practical > to duplicate full GTFS functionality in OSM. Well, this is not a so simple question. There're many countries around the world that have no GTFS. And, it's just what happens to us in Brazil. We are mapping intercity bus

Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

2019-02-15 Thread Markus
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 01:50 Clifford Snow > I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicine > According to our wiki it's waste=drugs (only 21 uses, but still more than any waste=medic*). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste Depending on the size i'd either use

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 113, Issue 52 Co-ordinate sets vs. background informations = ODbL vs. CC

2019-02-15 Thread Sergio Manzi
Hello Richard, That's a totally different approach, and a I completely agree with you (/for the very little that that may matter.../). Before (/hopefully/) closing the incident, please let me clarify that I was just dissenting with _the tone_ of the reply in question. Regards, Sergio On

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2019-02-15 Thread Jo
Regarding the proposal, feel free to try and apply it on your bus routes. And if you mapped say a hundred, you can even change the proposal's status and bring it up for a vote. Be prepared for quite a bit of resistance though, but for what it's worth, I'm likely to vote in favour. The main point

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2019-02-15 Thread Jo
I think most people will be against having variable roles in the route relations. Polyglot On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:04 PM santamariense wrote: > > I also created a proposal, but I knew in advance it wouldn't be practical > > to duplicate full GTFS functionality in OSM. > > Well, this is not a

Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

2019-02-15 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:59 AM Markus wrote: > On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 01:50 Clifford Snow >> >> I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicine >> > > According to our wiki it's waste=drugs (only 21 uses, but still more than > any waste=medic*). > >

Re: [Tagging] Rivers intermittently navigable

2019-02-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:35 PM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > motorboat= is an access tag, so it represents whether a use class is > permitted on that way, not whether it's possible. > > I'd think a variant on depth= would be most appropriate. Something like > depth:summer=0.5-3.0 might indicate

Re: [Tagging] Rivers intermittently navigable

2019-02-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Fernando Trebien wrote: > motorboat:conditional only works if the periods where the river > is navigable are predictable, and that usually depends on the > variable amount of rain on the basin. motorboat= is an access tag, so it represents whether a use class is permitted on that way, not

Re: [Tagging] Rivers intermittently navigable

2019-02-15 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
My suggestion would be to map only the normal and the predictable. If it's usually not navigable in summer, "no @ summer" or something. If it's not really predictable, I wouldn't map it unless it's something dangerous like vulnerable to flash floods or lahars. Highways liable to getting cut

[Tagging] Rivers intermittently navigable

2019-02-15 Thread Fernando Trebien
Hello, motorboat=* is used to represent waterways (rivers, canals and lakes) that are open to inland navigation. In a river that does not dry up enough to be mapped as intermittent=yes, is it possible to represent that a river is sometimes not navigable according to local authorities due to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 113, Issue 52 Co-ordinate sets vs. background informations = ODbL vs. CC

2019-02-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Sergio Manzi wrote: > I strongly dissent with the tone of your mail. > Everybody, not only you and the most vocifeferous ones, have the right to > express > their opinion. They do, but if the opinion is off-topic and unconstructive for the list and likely to divert from the purpose of said list,

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread Hubert87
Hi Tobias, why not use foot=use_sidepath and/or sidewalk=no? In combination with hw=primary/secondary, routers should be able to work out that that route is a bad one. Also OT the city should declare that tunnel a motorroad, or put up signs disallowing pedestrians and bicycle riders (and

Re: [Tagging] Waterway length

2019-02-15 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
André, that's correct but do you happen to know why "distance" was selected for route and waterway length then? Cheers, Eugene вт, 29 янв. 2019 г. в 22:41, André Pirard : > On 2019-01-29 16:37, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > Hi all, > The relation:waterway wiki page >

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Tobias Wrede writes: > Think of all the residential roads in cities that get a higher class > tagging because of their function in the road network. They are mostly > not different from hw=residential in regards to foot=y/n. And also the > many roads outside built-up areas have mostly no

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-15 Thread Stephan Bösch-Plepelits
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 03:07:09PM +0100, Tobias Zwick wrote: > Sounds solid and already used quite a bit. > > But wait, is it start_date:somekey or somekey:start_date? > I would say somekey:start_date, because - in the case of buildings you also have: * building:levels=3 *

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-15 Thread Tobias Zwick
Sounds solid and already used quite a bit. But wait, is it start_date:somekey or somekey:start_date? Tobias On February 15, 2019 11:03:01 AM GMT+01:00, "Stephan Bösch-Plepelits" wrote: >Hi! > >I have some thoughts in the start_date tag, as I find it a bit too >vague - >meaning start of what?

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: [tagging] Canoe route / nautical channels

2019-02-15 Thread Fernando Trebien
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 7:45 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I'd suggest a slight change of wording to clarify it even further: > > "A navigable route in a lake or sea. If the navigable area is marked by buoys > or navigation markers, it should also be mapped with seamark:type=fairway." > > So

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread Tobias Wrede
Am 15.02.2019 um 11:54 schrieb Rory McCann: On 14/02/2019 19:51, Tobias Zwick wrote: > Let's be pragmatic: We don't tag things just because and also do not > live in clouds. So, why do we tag access restrictions at all? - (IMO) To record the *legal* restrictions.  > To be of use for routing

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-15 Thread Stephan Bösch-Plepelits
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:03:01AM +0100, Stephan Bösch-Plepelits wrote: > PS: I even found, that people translate 'start_date' by using a language > suffix (e.g. start_date:fr, start_date:ja): > - https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/start_date%3Afr#values > -

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.02.19 à 12:35, Tobias Zwick a écrit : > - perhaps also only ask for a sidewalk in the first place if the road is > tagged as lit=yes? Asking for input. that look like a good idea. if a road have a sidewalk, no need to ask the legal access tag. maybe also focus on "brige/tunnel/special

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread Tobias Wrede
Am 15.02.2019 um 12:35 schrieb Tobias Zwick: So, while a tag to denote that a road is rural does not exist (yet), I could filter out uninteresting roads using tell-tale tags. So, I could further filter out roads with.. - lit != yes (so, also if lit is not set) to exclude most of the

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread Tobias Wrede
Am 14.02.2019 um 23:32 schrieb Tobias Zwick: Agreed. I don't see much of a difference between residential and higher class roads. I would even argue that around here a sidewalk=no + foot=no is even less likely on higher class roads than on residentials. How so? Think of all the residential

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread Tobias Zwick
Okay, right, this is a good point. I am not a native speaker and translated the German word "zugänglich" (literally: enterable) to English and wasn't aware of the ambiguous/broad meaning in the context of accessibility. So I'll negate the wording to specifically ask for it being forbidden.

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-15 Thread Rory McCann
On 14/02/2019 19:51, Tobias Zwick wrote: > This is, by the way, a bit of a different topic now, because the > thread was originally about tagging foot=yes on residential, not > whether foot=yes/no is limited to a *legal* access restriction. I thought it was quite clear, for many years, that

[Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-15 Thread Stephan Bösch-Plepelits
Hi! I have some thoughts in the start_date tag, as I find it a bit too vague - meaning start of what? Example: There is this museum, which openened in 2011, but the building is much older, it was built in 1725: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1937535 An option would be to prefix

[Tagging] Feature Proposal – Voting – natural=peninsula

2019-02-15 Thread Markus
Hello, I invite everybody to participate in the vote on natural=peninsula, which i've just opened. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:natural%3Dpeninsula Definition: a piece of land projecting into water from a larger land mass and being nearly surrounded by water Thanks

[Tagging] Feature Proposal – Voting – natural=isthmus

2019-02-15 Thread Markus
And me again ... I've also opened the vote on natural=isthmus: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:natural%3Disthmus Definition: an isthmus (a narrow strip of land, bordered by water on both sides and connecting two larger land masses) Markus aka SelfishSeahorse

Re: [Tagging] Problems with Open Street Browser

2019-02-15 Thread Stephan Bösch-Plepelits
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 01:27:21PM +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > First saw Open Street Browser in the last couple of days, after it was > mentioned in one of the threads here. > > Having a play in my area & noticed some problems with the way data is shown. > > Does anybody know how to

Re: [Tagging] Problems with Open Street Browser

2019-02-15 Thread OSMDoudou
Or Github. https://github.com/plepe/OpenStreetBrowser https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBrowser___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

2019-02-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Feb 2019, at 02:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > did you maybe mean to write amenity=“waste_disposal”? it was late... There are different types of “small” waste amenities, waste_basket is the smallest and used for those public bins on the street, waste_disposal