Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes as relations?

2019-03-23 Thread marc marc
if the building is the plateform (where passager wait until the ferry is there), it's usefull for routing : route the pedestrian to the platform with a pedestrian profil, switch to the associated stop_position, route to the desired stop_position with the vehicule profil, switch to the

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that the parking lot is part of the landuse. This is a good arguement for tagging landuse=religious forbtyh whole area, including parking lots, religious classrooms (eg Sunday School, Hebrew School etc), and religious office associated with the place of worship, while using

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes as relations?

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
What is the benefit of including the ferry building polygon in the relation? This is the part that Indknt understand. What is the use case for including this info in the relation? Joseph On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:40 AM marc marc wrote: > Le 24.03.19 à 00:19, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > > it

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes as relations?

2019-03-23 Thread marc marc
Le 24.03.19 à 00:19, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > it is not clear what should be included in the relation. > Certainly the ways in the relation should connect one pier > to another, so that routing works properly. as for other PT relation, it may include : - way(s) (without role) where the

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Warin
On 24/03/19 10:52, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I believe that the form and functions of Mosques is variable. The original poster (Jean-Marc Liotier) said that they are mapping in the Sahel, the Muslim-majority region along the southern border of the Sahara desert in Africa. This is a semi-arid,

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I believe that the form and functions of Mosques is variable. The original poster (Jean-Marc Liotier) said that they are mapping in the Sahel, the Muslim-majority region along the southern border of the Sahara desert in Africa. This is a semi-arid, tropical region where most people are Sunni

[Tagging] Ferry routes as relations?

2019-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The current page for route=ferry (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route=ferry) mentions that ferry routes are usually tagged as ways, but can also be made with relations. However, it is not clear what should be included in the relation. Certainly the ways in the relation should connect one

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:41, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 23.03.2019 18:19, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Until you mentioned outside prayer, the obvious solution to a building > complex would > > be a multipolygon. > > No, there is no MP needed. As there are several distinct objects used for >

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 23.03.2019 18:19, Paul Allen wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:05, Jean-Marc Liotier mailto:j...@liotier.org>> wrote: The case I have in mind is where the mosque is a complex of several buildings - such as the building for ritual ablutions, a separate prayer building for women,

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Jean-Marc Liotier writes: > On 3/23/19 6:04 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: >> I find the implicit rules really problematic, as we don't have a >> machine-readable repository of them that can be used to processs tags as >> they are to the full logical set of what they mean. > > So, should the

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:05, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > > The case I have in mind is where the mosque is a complex of several > buildings - such as the building for ritual ablutions, a separate prayer > building for women, the outside prayer ground for days of large > gatherings, the toilets

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 3/23/19 6:04 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: I find the implicit rules really problematic, as we don't have a machine-readable repository of them that can be used to processs tags as they are to the full logical set of what they mean. So, should the amenity=place_of_worship complex have

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 14:13, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > And I'm not even Muslim ! > That makes two of us. I'm an infidel. An omni-infidel. It doesn't matter what faith somebody is, I am not of that faith. I have learned from Muslims and confirmed in literature that this > tagging scheme

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Jean-Marc Liotier writes: > On 3/23/19 5:28 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: >> Jean-Marc Liotier writes: >>> So, no landuse=religious anymore at all and no building=mosque for the >> I don't understand why you think landuse=religious shouldn't be >> present. It seems that all land used for religious

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 3/23/19 4:55 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 23.03.2019 15:12, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: The wikipedia article has some insight in the process, however it also mentions that a mosque can be a building. So, if the mosque is a building, tagging building=mosque would be fine. Yes, the case of a

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 3/23/19 5:28 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Jean-Marc Liotier writes: So, no landuse=religious anymore at all and no building=mosque for the I don't understand why you think landuse=religious shouldn't be present. It seems that all land used for religious purposes should have that tag Redundancy

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Jean-Marc Liotier writes: > So, no landuse=religious anymore at all and no building=mosque for the I don't understand why you think landuse=religious shouldn't be present.It seems that all land used for religious purposes should have that tag, whether it's a smallish lot that just contains

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 23.03.2019 15:12, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I have learned from Muslims and confirmed in literature that this tagging scheme is wrong: what I considered as the mosque itself is merely the main prayer hall. The mosque is actually the whole complex that I used to tag as landuse=religious. So,

[Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-23 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
In the Sahelian Openstreetmap I enjoy tagging mosques because they are prominent features, nice for navigation and easy to spot on orbital imagery - for me it has definitely turned into a "gotta catch'em all" game... And I'm not even Muslim ! The tagging scheme I had settled upon was