Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Warin
On 14/04/19 14:15, Phake Nick wrote: area=no would also applies to amenity=park or landcover=* if you are tagging them in the same object. If a were were tagged barrier=*, area=no A member of a relation as the outer way tagged amenity=park Would not the way be both then recognised as a) a

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-13 Thread Michael Patrick
> check_in=airport/camp_site/hotel/hospital/seaport/event_venue/... > would work around this issue as well, wouldn't it? The interface where interaction between the business and public customers occur is generically labeled as 'customer service' points. There are some common activities for all

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Phake Nick
area=no would also applies to amenity=park or landcover=* if you are tagging them in the same object. 在 2019年4月14日週日 05:16,Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> 寫道: > As a closed way would normally be taken as an area,but in the case of this > barrier it is required not to be an area, why not use the

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I saw that proposal, but it seems to be discussing auction houses that sell goods from estates, or collectibles, rather than a commodity auction. For a livestock auction, I would suggest using amenity=auction or amenity=auction_house with auction=livestock. But there do seem to be some

Re: [Tagging] Was barrier=jersey_barrier approved in a proposal?

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I want to know so that the wiki page can be edited to show the correct status: approved vs in use. It’s significant if 8 people thought about it and voted yes, after discussing the issue here, otherwise it might have been crated without checking if this Ian the right British English word. I

[Tagging] Fwd: [OSM-talk] [Wiki] Proposed wiki policy - Voting - Deletion policy

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
This was posted to OSM-talk but is relevant to tagging and the proposal process --Forwarded message From: Tigerfell We would like to invite you to voting in the case of the proposed Deletion policy for wiki pages and files [1]. As you might have noticed, there were conflicts based on

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

2019-04-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 11:40, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > In the USA these often operate as auctions, > I think every livestock sale, anywhere, is done as an auction-type sale, with the particular animal / whole pen going to the highest bidder? (at least everyone I've seen, either in person or on

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In the USA these often operate as auctions, but shop=auction is rarely used and doesn’t seem right. On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 4:45 AM bkil wrote: > I also have a need for this, so please share what scheme you come up > with, or you could even submit a proposal. I recommend this one: > >

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Volker Schmidt writes: > Another thing: > Greg writes: > " "highway=footway" has exactly the same > semantics as "highway=path foot=designated". ...Note that both leave > bicycle and horse as > implicit" > I think this is wrong: highway=footway excludes bicycle, or at least the > footway wiki

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 13/04/2019 23:37, Peter Elderson wrote: ... If a guidepost is part of a route, it is also part of a way so the point location is already in there. In my experience that's generally not the case - guideposts and route markers are usually added in there actual location (off to one side of

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Warin
On 14/04/19 08:37, Peter Elderson wrote: Loose guidepost nodes are a nuisance when processing route relations by hand or by software. On the other hand, you might argue that most routes are nothing else than imaginary lines between guideposts. But I would say, practically, guideposts do not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Subkey camp_pitch:*

2019-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Apr 2019, at 16:25, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Consider the case of a camp pitch with a picnic table, fire place, parking > and water tap that are for the exclusive use of the people camping at that > pitch. If you tag it with: > > leisure=picnic_table > amenity=bbq >

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Peter Elderson
Loose guidepost nodes are a nuisance when processing route relations by hand or by software. On the other hand, you might argue that most routes are nothing else than imaginary lines between guideposts. But I would say, practically, guideposts do not need to be in the route relation. If a

Re: [Tagging] Was barrier=jersey_barrier approved in a proposal?

2019-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Apr 2019, at 02:03, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > , but I would like to know if this was every discussed would it influence your judgment of the situation significantly if you found a 2009 proposal with 9 votes for it and 1 abstention? IMHO the voting is quite

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Warin
At least some guide posts are to guide people along a particular route, particularly where a few paths meet, where the route diverges off the main path/road, or where there has been a long distance since the last guide post. Some of these are simply small signs with symbols only, nailed to a

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-13 Thread Warin
On 14/04/19 01:42, Volker Schmidt wrote: I am not happy with the assumption that a path on the map without indication that it is open to the public is better than not having it on the map at all. If I am navigating using a paper map then that road/path is usefull information. If it is not on

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
Hi, I'd argue that in most cases it is wrong to add the guidepost at all to the route, with ot without role. They are not part of the route they just happen to be along the side of it. We don't add direction signs on motorways to a motorway relation either just because the motorway happens to be

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Warin
As a closed way would normally be taken as an area,but in the case of this barrier it is required not to be an area, why not use the tag area=no? Tag the unusual rather than the normal? Then, as Martin says, use the way of the barrier in a multipolygon relation for a park. On 14/04/19

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would like to see clearer on that one, as we have just launched the collaboration between OSM and the Italian Alpine Club (CAI). And that collaboration will insert a large number of guideposts. Anyone able to check how many information=guidepost without role=guidepost there are in route

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Apr 2019, at 19:58, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > It makes no sense to have to add separate ways for barrier=fence and > leisure=park when the fence surrounds the entire park. you could make the park a multipolygon. Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] tags for a live stock sale yard

2019-04-13 Thread bkil
I also have a need for this, so please share what scheme you come up with, or you could even submit a proposal. I recommend this one: amenity=marketplace + marketplace=livestock + livestock=cattle;poultry;pig + opening_hours My second guess would be to use produce=cattle;poultry;pig, although

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Apr 2019, at 12:06, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > But your example is different. You put the function into the name field. For > me the role of an object tagged information=guidepost is exactly that, a > guidepost. I am sure I am missing something, otherwise it would

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Marián Kyral
Hi, When I started mapping, someone told me that is good practice to set the role to guidepost. Despite that validators don't like it. I think it could helps sometime. But I have no example for it. Marián -- Původní e-mail -- Od: Volker Schmidt Komu: Tag

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 4/13/19 04:19, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > Mapping two features with the same way seem highly efficient. > That OSM-Carto's software is unable to deal with it, is a long-standing > weakness & should be rewritten to solve it. However, regrettably those > involved in the project seem to like

Re: [Tagging] what is the meaning of bicycle=yes on highway=path

2019-04-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
I am not happy with the assumption that a path on the map without indication that it is open to the public is better than not having it on the map at all. This is only true if the former is labelled as such (access=unknown). Otherwise its useless information. Think about it: You wouldn't think for

Re: [Tagging] Waterway tributary role

2019-04-13 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:48:28AM +, marc marc wrote: > It's a little more than a personal note. > > I feel like I remember several discussions about this on talk-fr, > but I didn't look for any other links that had been posted. > I also don't remember if the page as updated after a thread >

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 14:44, bkil wrote: > > check_in=airport/camp_site/hotel/hospital/seaport/event_venue/... > would work around this issue as well, wouldn't it? > To some extent. It's possible to conceive of situations where it wouldn't. Maybe not for check_in itself but some of the other

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-13 Thread bkil
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 3:25 PM Paul Allen wrote: > Namespacing is guaranteed to fix it. The only thing is that in some (not > all) cases namespacing > might be overkill. Not wrong, just unnecessary. So check_in=* might be > suitable for all the > cases we have now and will have in the

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-13 Thread bkil
I haven't followed the said discussion, but I can see how some may see covered=* as an indication whether certain circumstances result in the said feature being protected from the elements. So I guess shelter=* should be used for telephone=* instead of covered, or a new

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 00:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 09:26, Paul Allen wrote: > > Thanks, Paul - sort of understand where you're coming from, but it's > complicated, & as I mentioned ^, probably unsolvable? > Namespacing is guaranteed to fix it. The only thing is

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-13 Thread bkil
First, excuse me for side tracking this topic so much. What inspired me was a recent discussion we had here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site#Why_not_use_amenity.3Dreception_desk_instead_of_camp_site.3Dreception.3F I'll try to gather my thoughts someday

Re: [Tagging] Waterway tributary role

2019-04-13 Thread marc marc
It's a little more than a personal note. I feel like I remember several discussions about this on talk-fr, but I didn't look for any other links that had been posted. I also don't remember if the page as updated after a thread or not. it's a several years old :) destination is the opposite, no ?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-13 Thread marc marc
Le 12.04.19 à 13:03, Sven Geggus a écrit : > the already established tags "power_supply" <...> > instead of <...> "camp_pitch:electric" the sad thing is that power_supply is not harmonized with plug=* used for amenity=charching_station. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Apr 13, 2019, 11:19 AM by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > regrettably those involved in the project seem to like using the software's > shortcomings as an excuse not to sort out problems > Note sure what was the intention of this comment, but at least in my case it is - discouraging from spending

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
But your example is different. You put the function into the name field. For me the role of an object tagged information=guidepost is exactly that, a guidepost. I am sure I am missing something, otherwise it would not have 50k uses. I admit to being Overpass-ignorant. Can someone help me find

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Philip Barnes
Hedges are normally linear feature and being a rambler in rural Shropshire I map a lot of them. It is quite common to map a hedge as a closed way around a field with barrier nodes for gates and stiles. Without an area tag I would assume this norm, it is how very many are mapped. Sometimes a

Re: [Tagging] Requiring area=yes with barrier=wall, barrier=hedge and other usually linear features when mapped as an area`1

2019-04-13 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 13/04/2019 01:37, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Example: I'm considering using the tag "area=yes" to check if a barrier should be rendered as an area. Right now "barrier=hedge" is rendered as an area in the Openstreetmap-carto if it is imported as a polygon. This happens for all closed ways that

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread ajt1...@gmail.com
On 13/04/2019 09:52, Volker Schmidt wrote: I have only now detected this (optional?) role value in route relations. What's the purpose of this? Or put in other words: I have a node tagged with "information=guidepost". What is the difference between inserting it in a route relation with or

[Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have only now detected this (optional?) role value in route relations. What's the purpose of this? Or put in other words: I have a node tagged with "information=guidepost". What is the difference between inserting it in a route relation with or without "role=guidepost" I must be missing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Apr 2019, at 15:37, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I agree that "camp_site=camp_pitch" isn't a perfect tag name, but it's > been used so often that I don't think it's worth changing. I would not say it is used frequently, we have 100.000 camp sites tagged, and