Re: [Tagging] lanes = 0
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 13:01, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There are a few uses of lanes=0... I would think these are errors. Even > if unmarked a road would have at least one lane otherwise it is not > really a road. > > > But looking at tag info there are a fair few uses fo it in various > locations. So ... what is it used for? > I've just had a look at several at random on Overpass & all of them were wrong, with the possible exception of a country highway=unclassified with a note "overgrown by hedgerows"! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] lanes = 0
Hi, There are a few uses of lanes=0... I would think these are errors. Even if unmarked a road would have at least one lane otherwise it is not really a road. But looking at tag info there are a fair few uses fo it in various locations. So ... what is it used for? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
On 12/06/19 23:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12. Jun 2019, at 15:04, John Willis via Tagging wrote: Am I right to consider these old-style family farm complexes landuse=farmyard? I would generally respond yes, but if they aren’t actually used by farmers any more, something like landuse=residential with historic=farmyard might eventually be better. Usually they won't be used for residential purposes .. unless they have been demolished. I think landuse=framyard is fine - if still in use. If not in use then disused:landuse=farmyard would be better. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] refugee camp
As wikipedia (1) seems to say refugee camp implies internally displaced people it seem ok to me. (i was wondering if IDP was a type of refugees or different) Maybe add a refugee_camp:for=refugee/idp..., refugee_camp:type= informal/... I still want to point out that there is more than 2500 use of refugee=yes (2) so I add Allan to this discussion, hoping he has some more field feedbacks, what having this new tag would imply.. 1:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_camp 2:https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/refugee#overview On 11/06/2019 21:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I would prefer something like refugee_camp=yes or similar. Cheers, Martin -- Violaine_Do ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
Oh thanks. Corrected it https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table and I also notified all downstream users that this feature replaces Key:diaper On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 16:28 +, marc marc wrote: > I was looking at the proposal and diaper page :) > somes changes > diaper=bench -> changing_Table=limited > > diaper=room -> changing_table=yes + changing_table:location=room > (you > can't assume that the room is dedicated) > > Le 12.06.19 à 18:10, Valor Naram a écrit : > > Hi marc, > > > > you can find the conversion table at > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table > > > > I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his > > promises > > > > On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > > > > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" > > > > > > I had proposed that a conversion table be added, > > > this would have avoided reopening the thread :) > > > > > > imho the best thing to do, in order: > > > - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values > > > - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have > > > a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. > > > - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ > > > validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 > > > month, > > > time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often > > > monthly) > > > - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" > > > - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split > > > the operation to take into account his opposition > > > - pray that a editor will not secede by considering > > > that the community choice is stupid > > > - wait for code update for projects > > > - do the mecanical edit > > > - inform all project it's done > > > > > > Regards, > > > Marc > > > ___ > > > Tagging mailing list > > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
I was looking at the proposal and diaper page :) somes changes diaper=bench -> changing_Table=limited diaper=room -> changing_table=yes + changing_table:location=room (you can't assume that the room is dedicated) Le 12.06.19 à 18:10, Valor Naram a écrit : > Hi marc, > > you can find the conversion table at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table > > I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his > promises > > On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : >>> "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" >> >> I had proposed that a conversion table be added, >> this would have avoided reopening the thread :) >> >> imho the best thing to do, in order: >> - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values >> - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have >> a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. >> - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ >> validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 month, >> time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often monthly) >> - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" >> - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split >> the operation to take into account his opposition >> - pray that a editor will not secede by considering >> that the community choice is stupid >> - wait for code update for projects >> - do the mecanical edit >> - inform all project it's done >> >> Regards, >> Marc >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
Hi marc, you can find the conversion table at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his promises On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: > Hello, > > Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" > > I had proposed that a conversion table be added, > this would have avoided reopening the thread :) > > imho the best thing to do, in order: > - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values > - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have > a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. > - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ > validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 month, > time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often monthly) > - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" > - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split > the operation to take into account his opposition > - pray that a editor will not secede by considering > that the community choice is stupid > - wait for code update for projects > - do the mecanical edit > - inform all project it's done > > Regards, > Marc > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
Hello, Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" I had proposed that a conversion table be added, this would have avoided reopening the thread :) imho the best thing to do, in order: - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 month, time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often monthly) - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split the operation to take into account his opposition - pray that a editor will not secede by considering that the community choice is stupid - wait for code update for projects - do the mecanical edit - inform all project it's done Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] About the diaper key
Hey, the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table has been accepted now and I can start with the post-vote process and creating a wiki page. The property Key:changing_table success the Key:diaper for now but we or at least I have to deal with the question "What's going on with the diaper key". The answer seems clear: Key:diaper is now superseded by Key:changing_table. While it's the part you CAN definetly answer with ease. The second part properly not. "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" I am very excited about hearing your ideas since some of you noted that just replacing the diaper key and its values with the key and the values of the new key can be problematic. Cheerio Sören alias Valor Naram ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
sent from a phone > On 12. Jun 2019, at 15:04, John Willis via Tagging > wrote: > > Am I right to consider these old-style family farm complexes landuse=farmyard? I would generally respond yes, but if they aren’t actually used by farmers any more, something like landuse=residential with historic=farmyard might eventually be better. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
I'm trying to map rural farming hamlets, and because land is at a premium in Japan, a single farmers "family" will have a small area with a very old abandoned collapsing house filled with old farming junk, an old house, a new house, a old stone storehouse or barn, several tractor garages/toolsheds, and piles and piles of farming garbage and stuff. larger ones have tiny cowsheds or additional crop processing equipment. Most of the buildings are adjacent or touching inside this single farmers walled/fenced area, around a small driveway. These are *separate* from the land they actually farm. These traditional farmyards are often clustered tighlty together to form a small hamlet which have been overgrown by modern residential suburban sprawl with proper roads if they are near a modern city. To me, these areas seem to be landuse=farmyard. The fields these farmers operate are being sold off (as they age and stop farming the land) and being turned into straight landuse=residential areas, and eventually these modern rectangular-grid residential areas (full of non-farmers) end up living around these old hamlet-style multi-generational farming complexes. Am I right to consider these old-style family farm complexes landuse=farmyard? Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir
sent from a phone > On 12. Jun 2019, at 01:51, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Other features in the key natural are either land covers or land forms and > could be split into those 2 keys. that’s not completely accurate, there are also point features, e.g. natural=spring, natural=tree, ... which are neither Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] refugee camp
sent from a phone > On 12. Jun 2019, at 05:21, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I did not add a refugee=yes tag. I tagged it as a place=town because my quick > search for alternatives came up empty and there are about 50,000 people > living there. That way, at least the camp name shows up on maps and is > searchable. I'll retag it based on what we decide here. I agree there should be an additional qualifier, although refugee=yes seems too generic, I would prefer something like refugee_camp=yes or similar. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
