Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

[Peter Elderson]

You can use your OSM account to access the osm-forum
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/

Vr gr Peter Elderson


Op vr 21 jun. 2019 om 06:26 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick <
graemefi...@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:01, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> in parts of the world for which no particular national/regional
>> resources have been defined, the "id" editor will suggest to get in
>> touch with "us" and/or other mappers through:
>>
>> * Reddit
>> * Facebook
>> * Telegram
>> * Discord
>> * Twitter
>> * OSM help
>> * OSM IRC channel
>> * OSMF website
>>
>
> This is sort of a continuance of the conversations following Simon's post
> last week about too much traffic on the list!
>
> The problem I have with most of those options (Reddit, Facebook, Discord,
> Twitter, & also the mailing lists) is that you need to sign-up to them. I
> don't know IRC works & I don't even know what Telegram is!
>
> As someone said last week, it would be good if the simple act of creating
> an OSM account to edit the map, also gave you access to the "forum" or
> whatever, to ask for help, give advice to others, discuss new tags, have
> local conversations & so on.
>
> Personally, I think that we should be making much more use of the existing
> Help forum, with a complete redesign of the first page, to break things up
> into "lounges", as per other forums eg http://fordforums.com.au/index.php
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

[Mhairi O'Hara]

Hello everyone,

Thank you so much for the comments on the tags. This feedback is extremely
helpful to ensure we are going down the right path, as there are indeed
some details to work out. Hearing examples of how these tags (for example
the insurance:health) would potentially be applied in various countries
around the world, builds a better picture of the feasibility of putting it
into practice. There have also been many comments on the staff_count:doctor
and staff_count:nurse tags, regarding whether this pertains to the number
of staff on average per day at the health facility, or the total number of
staff that work there. And this is a very good point, which needs to be
clarified as it can really make the difference.

I also hear the suggestion that each of the proposed tags should have their
individual e-mails, so that this thread doesn't get too long and confusing.
The idea was to share them as one so that readers would be able to see that
they are all part of the large Global Healthsites Project, and then each
tag would have its own discussion on their dedicated 'Discussion' pages on
their proposed Wiki page. This would be the easiest to track the
comments/suggestions of each tag, and allow for some external (to this
thread) OSM user who comes across it on the wiki to follow the discussion
and history of it.

However, this is my first time proposing tags so I am very open to
suggestions. We are taking into account all the comments and will hopefully
come back with some collective thoughts on the suggestions within the next
couple of weeks. I wanted to say thank you to Joseph Eisenberg, who
provided me with some much needed guidance on how to approach this and
would love to jump on a call with you at some point when you're free. Funny
enough, I am based in the Lesser Sunda Islands but am currently travelling.
Very interested to hear what brought you out there!

Kind regards,

Mhairi


On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:30 PM Violaine_Do  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This is an interesting point. I always found healthcare2.0 (1) better
> structured than healthcare (2)? Could you explain your point?
>
>  From my view,
>
> healthcare leads to use different kind of items, taking examples:
>
> healtcare=clinic is a type of healthcare facility, and
> healthcare=dentist is for me, a type of speciality. Then
> healthcare:speciality, specifiies a speciality. I would have liked to
> have healthcare=office (or even doctors) or
> consulting_room+healthcare:speciality=dentist. I totally understand that
> we want to point out a dentist office (and not a speciality) but I feel
> like things are mixed.
>
> Then in healthcare2.0 proposal, there were a debate to use sepacialty
> instead of speciality... (3)
>
> So I liked the proposal of health_facility:type= from healthcare 2.0
> especially because it takes into account health centre and health post.
> (which I guess is possible to add to healthcare=*?)
>
> Looking forward to read your views on that, it always questionned me.
>
> 1 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare_2.0
>
> 2 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare
>
> 3:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Healthcare_2.0#Word_for_particular_areas_is_SPECIALTY_not_speciality
>
> On 19/06/2019 20:06, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> > In general, I appreciate the work that you are doing on this, but I
> > don't think you should rely too much on the abandoned healthcare 2.0
> > proposal - it wasn't very well though out.
>
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Re: [Tagging] kerb regulations: moving towards a tagging schema?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 12:43, Emily Eros  wrote:

> I'd love to hear from people about what they think about this as a general
> approach.
>

Wow Emily, that's a mighty task you've set yourself!

How will it work when there are no signposts - eg residential streets where
parking is allowed but nothing to indicate it?

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:01, Frederik Ramm  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> in parts of the world for which no particular national/regional
> resources have been defined, the "id" editor will suggest to get in
> touch with "us" and/or other mappers through:
>
> * Reddit
> * Facebook
> * Telegram
> * Discord
> * Twitter
> * OSM help
> * OSM IRC channel
> * OSMF website
>

This is sort of a continuance of the conversations following Simon's post
last week about too much traffic on the list!

The problem I have with most of those options (Reddit, Facebook, Discord,
Twitter, & also the mailing lists) is that you need to sign-up to them. I
don't know IRC works & I don't even know what Telegram is!

As someone said last week, it would be good if the simple act of creating
an OSM account to edit the map, also gave you access to the "forum" or
whatever, to ask for help, give advice to others, discuss new tags, have
local conversations & so on.

Personally, I think that we should be making much more use of the existing
Help forum, with a complete redesign of the first page, to break things up
into "lounges", as per other forums eg http://fordforums.com.au/index.php

Thanks

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[Tagging] kerb regulations: moving towards a tagging schema?

[Emily Eros]

Hi mailing list,

Kerb/curb management has become a hot topic for city governments and
companies, but there's not really a way to map parking and other
restrictions in OSM. There's been some discussion of the importance and
applications, but not a proposal.

In my day job at SharedStreets, I've been working with city governments and
companies who are interested in having a data standard to communicate about
the kerb/curb, sort of like what GTFS does for transit. So I did some
digging into OSM to see what this currently looks like and how OSM could
also be able to store this regulatory data, if that's something that people
want to map. Since this is really long, I've put it up as a blog post here:
https://medium.com/sharedstreets/openstreetmap-and-curb-regulations-7812ee582a33

I'd love to hear from people about what they think about this as a general
approach.

If there's a group that's interested in getting together to have a
conversation about this in real-time, then we could also put a working
group together, formally or informally.

Best,
Emily
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 18:30, Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

> 'I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the
> staffing levels.'
>
> I agree, this is a useful and easier to maintain number that shows the
> capacity of the inpatient service at a hospital, and it would be
> easier to check than the number of nurses.
>

But would this number of beds still need to be broken up into Emergency,
Maternity, ICU, CCU etc, or in an emergency, would a bed be a bed,
regardless of which Department it usually belongs to?

Carrying on from that, particularly with emergencies in developing
countries, such as the Ebola epidemic in Africa, would beds be beds? This
hospital is posted as having 100 beds, but wouldn't there be "500" patients
in there, with every real bed in use, all the tables in the staff dining
room, stretchers along the corridors & so on?

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Feature Name)

[Violaine_Do]

Hello,

This is an interesting point. I always found healthcare2.0 (1) better 
structured than healthcare (2)? Could you explain your point?


From my view,

healthcare leads to use different kind of items, taking examples:

healtcare=clinic is a type of healthcare facility, and 
healthcare=dentist is for me, a type of speciality. Then 
healthcare:speciality, specifiies a speciality. I would have liked to 
have healthcare=office (or even doctors) or 
consulting_room+healthcare:speciality=dentist. I totally understand that 
we want to point out a dentist office (and not a speciality) but I feel 
like things are mixed.


Then in healthcare2.0 proposal, there were a debate to use sepacialty 
instead of speciality... (3)


So I liked the proposal of health_facility:type= from healthcare 2.0 
especially because it takes into account health centre and health post. 
(which I guess is possible to add to healthcare=*?)


Looking forward to read your views on that, it always questionned me.

1 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Healthcare_2.0

2 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:healthcare

3: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Healthcare_2.0#Word_for_particular_areas_is_SPECIALTY_not_speciality


On 19/06/2019 20:06, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

In general, I appreciate the work that you are doing on this, but I
don't think you should rely too much on the abandoned healthcare 2.0
proposal - it wasn't very well though out.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2019-06-20 at 17:27 +0900, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> 'I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the
> staffing levels.'
> 
Not really, a typical hospital is far more than in-patients.

They will typically run out-patient departments, clinics, A & E, out of
hours GP services. Beds will account for a relatively small number of
Doctors/Nurses.

The hospital will be where you go be sent for tests required by your
GP, x-rays etc.

Doctors and Nurses can work at different hospitals, some out-patient
clinics will operate in different hospitals on different days and
different clinics will use the same space on different days.

In the UK I would assume the numbers employed would be quoted per trust
(local group of hospitals), rather than by individual hospital.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

[marc marc]

Le 20.06.19 à 11:58, Frederik Ramm a écrit :
> suggest to get in touch with "us" and/or other mappers through

imho the list is too long.
by drowning users with everything that exists, they often end
up not knowing what to choose.
for example, it seems difficult to me to say that Twitter is
a suitable contact for a new contributor who would like someone
to check if he has properly mapped a bench.

> talk a better starting point for someone who wants to get in touch?

I think so.
the ideal would probably be a mailing-forum convergence like napple,
but that's another threat

Regards,
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[marc marc]

Le 20.06.19 à 09:46, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
>> Should this number be the total number of nurses employed 
>> at the facility or the total who are working each day?
> actually both may be interesting

staff:nurses:capacity <> staff:nurses:count (or :avg)
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[Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

in parts of the world for which no particular national/regional
resources have been defined, the "id" editor will suggest to get in
touch with "us" and/or other mappers through:

* Reddit
* Facebook
* Telegram
* Discord
* Twitter
* OSM help
* OSM IRC channel
* OSMF website

(this list is defined in from
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/tree/master/resources/world)

Clearly one of the global mailing lists is missing here; I wonder which
one it should be. "talk" has had participation from ~ 160 different
community members in 2019 so far, "tagging" even ~ 200. Though maybe
tagging is too specific and talk a better starting point for someone who
wants to get in touch?

For comparison, I would be interested in how many people have
participated in the global venues that id currently links to. Are there
public archives that would allow me to count that?

I tried to gauge participation in help.osm in all of 2019 and came up
with ~ 620 different people who either asked or answered at least one
question. But help is a less "egalitarian" landscape than the mailing
lists; a very large part of those 620 just ask one question and don't
participate further, and a very small number of these 620 answer all the
questions. The mailing lists have fewer people participating but those
that do are more likely to engage in a bidirectional fashion.

It would be interesting to quantify this in a more scientific manner.

Bye
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Re: [Tagging] product of a landuse=vineyard

[John Willis via Tagging]

> On Jun 20, 2019, at 2:44 AM, marc marc  wrote:
> 
> "here grapes are produced
> for xyz wine"

Keep the produces=tag working and extend it. (Or what is proper for a vinyard):

Produces=grapes
Produces:product=xyz foobar blue wine
Produces:pdo=foobar blue grapes
Operator=xyz vinyards LLC
Brand=XYZ Booze
Genus: fooicus Barius. 

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Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

[Andreas Lattmann]

>(I take pride in putting those into OSM, provided they are 'on the ground').


Sure! I don't want to insert anything that is not verifiable on the ground. 
Rather, I will advise the various associations of disabled people to raise 
awareness among the authorities. But where they have already been conceived and 
promoted by the authorities, I would like to insert the correct tags. In 
several paths there are already signs, information panels for disabled people.

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Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

[Paul Allen]

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Oxford Dictionary says
>
> Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road.
>

Yep.  Also, in the UK, carries legal implications.  Legislation is required
to require tolls on a
public highway.

Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or
> public body in exchange for advice or services.


That's how I'd use it.  Of course, ferries provide a ferry service, so fee
could be used.  But I'd go
with something else: fare.  We don't talk of rail tolls or rail fees, we
talk of rail fares.  We don't talk
of air tolls or air fees, we talk of air fares.  From OED online: "The
money paid for a journey on
public transport."

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Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

[Peter Elderson]

It’s a case for wheelchair mappers then?

Mvg Peter Elderson

> Op 20 jun. 2019 om 09:27 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
>> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> If you mean the difference between a mapper who thinks something is 
>> wheelchair suitable compared to a mapper who uses a sign or brochure to 
>> judge it .. use the source key for that.
> 
> 
> the difference I see is between something that is wheelchair suitable and a 
> route which is signed or officially declared wheelchair suitable. From the 
> latter I would expect it to be more reliable and possibly more effort will be 
> put into keeping it usable by wheelchairs
> 
> You can go running everywhere, still there are also specific running tracks.
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[Warin]

On 20/06/19 18:33, Colin Smale wrote:


On 2019-06-20 10:27, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:


'I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the
staffing levels.'

Would that include the beds in wards or departments that are 
temporarily closed due to shortages of staff or funding? Thinking of 
the UK here.


Considering that the request for these tags comes from HOT, which would be for 
an emergency, I would think the total number including those 'closed'.

Bringing more staff for an emergency is relativity easy compared to equipping 
more hospital beds.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[Colin Smale]

On 2019-06-20 10:27, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

> 'I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the
> staffing levels.'

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

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'I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the
staffing levels.'

I agree, this is a useful and easier to maintain number that shows the
capacity of the inpatient service at a hospital, and it would be
easier to check than the number of nurses.

On 6/20/19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the
> staffing levels.
>
> Certainly for emergency use the number of bed would be usefull and this
> should be something that can be reasonably verified.
>
>
>
>
> On 20/06/19 16:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> 2) "staff_count:nurses="
>>
>> *A. Source of information for this tag?
>>
>> How should individual mappers find out the number of nurses at a
>> healthcare facility? If this information is imported from an external
>> source, how can it be kept up-to-date?
>>
>> Most clinics in the USA do not show a list of nurses who work at the
>> facility. While large hospitals may provide this information to the
>> government, it may not be easy to find.
>>
>> Here in Indonesia there is often an organizational chart at the clinic
>> which shows the staff who are supposed to work at the facility, but
>> often only 1 or 2 or 0 of these staff members will actually be in the
>> clinic on any given week. Sometimes they have been gone all year
>>
>> *B. Total staff or average number each day?
>>
>> Should this number be the total number of nurses employed at the
>> facility or the total who are working each day?
>>
>> *C. RNs, CNAs, NPs, Midwives?
>>
>> In some countries there are many types of nurses. For example in the
>> USA there are RNs (Registered Nurses), CNAs (certified nursing
>> assistants), NPs (Nurse Practitioners), Nurse midwives, etc. - and
>> here in Indonesia there are midwives, official nurses, and lower-level
>> nursing care providers.
>>
>> Which of these categories is to be included in the number of nurses?
>>
>> -Joseph Eisenberg M.D.
>>
>> On 6/20/19, Mhairi O'Hara  wrote:
>>> Hello Tagging Mailing List,
>>>
>>> We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for
>>> the
>>> staff_count:doctors and staff_count:nurses tags, which helps identify the
>>> number of doctors and nurses at a given health facility [1][2]. The
>>> operational_status tag, which has been proposed before and I would like
>>> to
>>> highlight again, as this is used to document an observation of the
>>> current
>>> functional status of a mapped feature (i.e. health facility) [3]. The
>>> health_amenity:type tag is also being proposed, as this indicates what
>>> type
>>> of speciality medical equipment is available at the health facility [4]
>>> and
>>> the final tag is insurance:health which describes the type of health
>>> insurance accepted at a health facility [5].
>>>
>>> Some of these are already in use but have never been formally accepted,
>>> or
>>> properly described as to how they should be applied, which we would like
>>> to
>>> try and achieve if possible for the Healthsites.io project. Please take a
>>> look at the proposal pages on the OSM Wiki, as well as the Global
>>> Healthsites Mapping Project page [2] which is at the core of the recent
>>> work focused on creating a health facility data model. We look forward to
>>> discussing these proposals on the respective Wiki discussion pages.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Mhairi
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors
>>> [2]
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:nurses
>>> [3]
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:operational_status
>>> [4]
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:health_amenity:type
>>> [5]
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:insurance:health
>>> [6]
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Global_Healthsites_Mapping_Project#Tag_Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[Warin]

I would think that the bed count would be a reasonable guide for the staffing 
levels.

Certainly for emergency use the number of bed would be usefull and this should 
be something that can be reasonably verified.




On 20/06/19 16:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:

2) "staff_count:nurses="

*A. Source of information for this tag?

How should individual mappers find out the number of nurses at a
healthcare facility? If this information is imported from an external
source, how can it be kept up-to-date?

Most clinics in the USA do not show a list of nurses who work at the
facility. While large hospitals may provide this information to the
government, it may not be easy to find.

Here in Indonesia there is often an organizational chart at the clinic
which shows the staff who are supposed to work at the facility, but
often only 1 or 2 or 0 of these staff members will actually be in the
clinic on any given week. Sometimes they have been gone all year

*B. Total staff or average number each day?

Should this number be the total number of nurses employed at the
facility or the total who are working each day?

*C. RNs, CNAs, NPs, Midwives?

In some countries there are many types of nurses. For example in the
USA there are RNs (Registered Nurses), CNAs (certified nursing
assistants), NPs (Nurse Practitioners), Nurse midwives, etc. - and
here in Indonesia there are midwives, official nurses, and lower-level
nursing care providers.

Which of these categories is to be included in the number of nurses?

-Joseph Eisenberg M.D.

On 6/20/19, Mhairi O'Hara  wrote:

Hello Tagging Mailing List,

We would like to bring your attention and comments on the proposal for the
staff_count:doctors and staff_count:nurses tags, which helps identify the
number of doctors and nurses at a given health facility [1][2]. The
operational_status tag, which has been proposed before and I would like to
highlight again, as this is used to document an observation of the current
functional status of a mapped feature (i.e. health facility) [3]. The
health_amenity:type tag is also being proposed, as this indicates what type
of speciality medical equipment is available at the health facility [4] and
the final tag is insurance:health which describes the type of health
insurance accepted at a health facility [5].

Some of these are already in use but have never been formally accepted, or
properly described as to how they should be applied, which we would like to
try and achieve if possible for the Healthsites.io project. Please take a
look at the proposal pages on the OSM Wiki, as well as the Global
Healthsites Mapping Project page [2] which is at the core of the recent
work focused on creating a health facility data model. We look forward to
discussing these proposals on the respective Wiki discussion pages.

Kind regards,

Mhairi

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors
[2]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:nurses
[3]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:operational_status
[4]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:health_amenity:type
[5]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:insurance:health
[6]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Global_Healthsites_Mapping_Project#Tag_Proposal






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Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 20.06.2019 um 09:54 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> 
> It is not done for hiking paths.. at least not here.


there’s the distinction between foot=yes and foot=designated 
there are ~5800 wheelchair=designated in the db, someone is already using this.


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Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

[Warin]

On 20/06/19 17:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


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Am 20.06.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

If you mean the difference between a mapper who thinks something is wheelchair 
suitable compared to a mapper who uses a sign or brochure to judge it .. use 
the source key for that.


the difference I see is between something that is wheelchair suitable and a 
route which is signed or officially declared wheelchair suitable. From the 
latter I would expect it to be more reliable and possibly more effort will be 
put into keeping it usable by wheelchairs


It is not done for hiking paths.. at least not here.

Some are 'official' and use sections on beaches where the path is not visible 
at all.

Some are not official yet used and common knowledge. Some get maintenance, some 
don't.

There are no specific tags for 'official' and 'in use' or whatever.

Some are on 'official maps', others are not (I take pride in putting those into 
OSM, provided they are 'on the ground').






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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:13 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg :
> 
> In some countries there are many types of nurses. For example in the
> USA there are RNs (Registered Nurses), CNAs (certified nursing
> assistants), NPs (Nurse Practitioners), Nurse midwives, etc. - and
> here in Indonesia there are midwives, official nurses, and lower-level
> nursing care providers.
> 
> Which of these categories is to be included in the number of nurses?


Assuming that “nurse” refers to a qualification, for staff_count:nurse it 
should be the registered nurses, in a gynecology department eventually 
including the midwifes, although these could merit their own count as well. For 
the nurse assistants and practitioners there could be another count.

Is this about people employed by the facility, or does it include frequent 
collaborators as well?

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:staff_count:nurses

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:13 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg :
> 
> *B. Total staff or average number each day?
> 
> Should this number be the total number of nurses employed at the
> facility or the total who are working each day?


actually both may be interesting. If the total number is much higher than the 
average day occupation it could imply they would be able to grow fast in case 
of necessity. (on the other hand it is also the number of beds that limits the 
capacity).

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - health_amenity:type

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:15 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg :
> 
> This would also make it easier for
> database users: they can just check for "amenity=hospital" + "mri=yes"
> rather than doing a spacial query to find MRI nodes within or near an
> amenity=hospital feature


IMHO there is a point in distinguishing these as a property (facility has at 
least one MRI machine) vs. explicitly tagging a part of the facility as the MRI 
department/institute, especially if they are distant. Both should be possible.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:insurance:health

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:17 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg :
> 
> This suggests a problem for counties like the USA or Germany where
> there are dozens or hundreds of health insurance companies with many
> different health plans, each of which may be accepted by a different
> list of physicians and health facilities.


Actually in Germany healthcare insurance is mandatory and you can go to any 
doctor or healthcare facility with any insurance, although not all treatments 
will be covered by all insurances (you can assume that scientifically approved 
and individually required treatments will generally be covered).

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Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
> 
> If you mean the difference between a mapper who thinks something is 
> wheelchair suitable compared to a mapper who uses a sign or brochure to judge 
> it .. use the source key for that.


the difference I see is between something that is wheelchair suitable and a 
route which is signed or officially declared wheelchair suitable. From the 
latter I would expect it to be more reliable and possibly more effort will be 
put into keeping it usable by wheelchairs

You can go running everywhere, still there are also specific running tracks.

Cheers, Martin 
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