7 lip 2019, 01:57 od bradha...@fastmail.com:
> What wiki are you looking at? At
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype, grade5 says
> "Soft.
> Almost always an unimproved track lacking hard materials, same as surrounding
> soil. "
>
> What if the surrounding soil is hard
That is true if the terrain is agreeable. Often it is steep and a very
loose rocky surface so 4wd is necessary. Even if it isn't very steep,
since it is not maintained very often, if at all, erosion creates
hazards in the road also requiring 4wd or at least a very high clearance
vehicle.
From the talk page:
>I propose to tackle the varying quality of this page in different languages by
>changing Map
>Features to a single multilingual page that outputs its text in the user’s
>preferred interface
>language.
>The tag tables can be generated from Taginfo/Taglists. For the best
I would think that an unimproved track across naturally solid rock or
naturally well-compacted gravel would not be tracktype=grade5 - while it
might be bumpy, it’s probably passable by any vehicke with sufficient
clearance and tire size, even when wet, unlike a track of unimproved clay,
silt or
What wiki are you looking at? At
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype, grade5 says
"Soft.
Almost always an unimproved track lacking hard materials, same as
surrounding soil. "
What if the surrounding soil is hard materials???
Clearly written by someone that has not seen rocky
On 07/07/19 00:38, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
How are handled the concepts of intermittence and direction of the flow in
the tagging?
Should we use intermittent=yes and direction=both, or are they implied by
waterway=tidal_channel?
...only recommend the use of intermittent=yes on
channels which are
Here's one,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/agj4njek1r35vnz/2018-10-03-13.06.54r.jpg?dl=0
Maybe gets some maintenance every 10 or 20 years or so. It is probably
never soft, so it doesn't fit any tracktype definition. It is still used
for a couple of mines (worked by 1 or 2 people), but mostly
> lit=weak is too subjective.
> disclaimer: I am trying to make lit=yes/no definition more precise as
> part of my grant
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/368849
There is a lot of open access academic literature on your topic, covering
objective measures and both
On 06/07/19 22:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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On 6. Jul 2019, at 14:00, Tobias Zwick wrote:
I am pretty sure myself that hgv are defined differently: as goods vehicles with a "gross
vehicle weight rating" (gvwr), a.k.a. "gross vehicle mass" (gvm) or plainly said
maximum
7 lip 2019, 00:07 od matkoni...@tutanota.com:
> 6 lip 2019, 23:52 od dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>>> On 6. Jul 2019, at 23:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>>>
>>> It sounds like bicycle=yes, at least that is
>>> how such objects are tagged in Poland.
>>>
>>
>>
>> at
6 lip 2019, 23:52 od dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 6. Jul 2019, at 23:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>>
>> It sounds like bicycle=yes, at least that is
>> how such objects are tagged in Poland.
>>
>
>
> at least in Germany there is a difference between bicycle=yes on a
sent from a phone
> On 6. Jul 2019, at 23:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
> It sounds like bicycle=yes, at least that is
> how such objects are tagged in Poland.
at least in Germany there is a difference between bicycle=yes on a footway (it
means they must not ride faster than walking speed
6 lip 2019, 22:31 od vosc...@gmail.com:
> In IT it is legally essentially a footway on which cyclists are tolerated,
> but the pedestrians have always priority to the extend that if there are too
> many pedestrians the cyclists have to dismount, and always have to ride at
> moderate
Le 06.07.19 à 15:17, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit :
> provide after-school additional instruction
why it isn't still a school with another min_age/max_age
or any additional tag ?
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>"Suspicious tag combination highway=cycleway together with
> foot=designated, use highway=path"
>
I interpreted this as invition to use the "neutral" tagging scheme based on
highway=path + foot=designated + bicycle=designated + segregted0yes|no
which is the tagging scheme that JOSM implicitly
6 lip 2019, 14:59 od tagging@openstreetmap.org:
> >"Suspicious tag combination highway=cycleway together with foot=designated,
> >use highway=path"
>
> This is incorrect. A cycleway tag can be used on a shared path, one which
> can have a designation for other
> transport modes, such
On 2019-07-06 04:49, Colin Smale wrote:
It is an intrinsic danger of international projects that words mean
different things to different people. Hence the importance of keeping
things objective, and recording facts, rather than judgements. It's
about what things ARE, not what they are CALLED.
Le 06.07.19 à 14:59, Dave F via Tagging a écrit :
> > use highway=path"
> This is incorrect <...> on a shared path
Funny to say that a shared PATH mapped with highway=PATH is incorrect.
we already have this discussion several times on talk-fr, it's often
the same scenario:
- a cyclist considers
On 2019-07-06 06:17, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
In May, yumean1119 suggested tagging Japanese "cram schools" as either
office=educational_institution + education = cram_school
or amenity=prep_school
And then iD and the name_suggestion_index started using amenity=prep_school
I added some test
On 06/07/2019 14:08, Andy Townsend wrote:
Where any editor gives incorrect suggestions I'd suggest raising a
ticket with the editor concerned about it. I've done that a couple of
times in the past with JOSM and the issues have been resolved almost
immediately.
Obviously it helps to provide
Le 06.07.19 à 14:52, bkil a écrit :
> We would need something like: housed_in=vehicle
location=vehicle
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14 169 building=houseboat
6 lip 2019, 16:31 od joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com:
>> ... we could use something like building=boat,
>> building=caravan or building=vehicle, but it is unfortunate that none
>> of these can be understood to be buildings in any sense of the word.
>>
>
>
I like your suggestion, Jason.
Also, indeed I meant the operator of this specific thing is a person, not
"let's change the definition of operator=*" :)
Op vr 5 jul. 2019 21:28 schreef Jmapb via Tagging :
> On 7/5/2019 3:08 PM, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> I read joost's comment as "The operator of
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> On 6. Jul 2019, at 16:31, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>
> building=static_caravan is common for mobile homes and caravans (aka
> trailers) which are semi-permanently located in one place. Tagged on
> ways 132, 566 times:
>
Le sam. 6 juil. 2019 à 16:39, Joseph Eisenberg
a écrit :
>
> I don't know if the tag "direction=both" is used commonly with
> waterways. There's no wiki page to describe this tag, and the page
> Key:direction doesn't mention direction=both, though it's used 20,000
> times. More common is to add
Just two additional aspects from my own experience on bicycle, to make
things even more complicated:
1) cycle and foot path illumintion dramatically depends on the presence of
leaves on the trees that are planted along the road. (don't get me wrong: I
like trees)
2) another effect which is very
6 Jul 2019, 14:07 by o...@westnordost.de:
>> I am trying to make lit=yes/no definition more precise
>>
>
> I think that your suggestions would make the definition actually less precise
> because they add a fair level of subjectiveness: "necessary to bring your own
> light"
>
> The least
> How are handled the concepts of intermittence and direction of the flow in
> the tagging?
> Should we use intermittent=yes and direction=both, or are they implied by
> waterway=tidal_channel?
> ...only recommend the use of intermittent=yes on
> channels which are fully empty at low tide time.
> ... we could use something like building=boat,
> building=caravan or building=vehicle, but it is unfortunate that none
> of these can be understood to be buildings in any sense of the word.
building=static_caravan is common for mobile homes and caravans (aka
trailers) which are semi-permanently
Ok, it seems that "unladen" is somewhat favoured here on the list because it is
more precise, more common and conforms with the wording in the (UK) legislation.
I'll change the one mention in the wiki of "maxemptyweight" to
"maxunladenweight".
Cheers
Tobias
On 06/07/2019 14:17, Martin
To summarize,
In January, Javbw mentioned amenity=cram_school for these "juku" cram
schools, e.g. brand Komon
In February, office=tutoring was suggested by Jmapb, perhaps with
tutoring=test_prep for those focused on test preparation only
In March, Warin added the suggestion of
On 06/07/2019 13:59, Dave F via Tagging wrote:
Hi
Unsure if these validation warnings on uploading a changeset in JOSM
are new or I've never noticed them before:
>"Suspicious tag combination highway=cycleway together with
foot=designated, use highway=path"
This is incorrect. A cycleway
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> On 6. Jul 2019, at 14:59, Dave F via Tagging
> wrote:
>
> Anybody know when & why these were introduced?
IIRR, it was like 10-20 years ago.
You should be able to find more information on the path page in the wiki.
Cheers, Martin
In many parts of Hungary, vegetation can overshadow street lights,
especially if they are placed high enough. They may make efforts to
protect roads against this, but they rarely consider footways. Hence I
know a lot of streets where road illumination is fair, but the
sidewalk right beside it
Hi
Unsure if these validation warnings on uploading a changeset in JOSM are
new or I've never noticed them before:
>"Suspicious tag combination highway=cycleway together with
foot=designated, use highway=path"
This is incorrect. A cycleway tag can be used on a shared path, one
which
Hi Joseph,
Thank you for having relevantly chosen a different word from canal.
One question, which doesn't necessarily imply error on the current version
of the proposal
How are handled the concepts of intermittence and direction of the flow in
the tagging?
Should we use intermittent=yes and
Floating restaurants, hotels and event halls are pretty common in
Budapest. Some fancy ones even offer budget daily lunch menus.
https://www.a38.hu/en
If we interpreted the intention, semantics and usage patters of
building=* in OSM, we could use something like building=boat,
building=caravan or
Re: > basic picnic tables where you can provide your own mini grill
It looks like we can propose "bring_own_bbq=yes" for that situation
Re: > some fixed on a post grills
Do you think this should be "bbq=yes" or "barbecue_grill=yes"?
-Joseph
On 7/6/19, Nita S. wrote:
> One caravan park I am
I'd like to vote on the proposal for waterway=tidal_channel soon
If you haven't read the page yet, please check and add any comments
or bring up any problems that might have been missed.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel
"Definition:A
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> On 6. Jul 2019, at 14:07, Tobias Zwick wrote:
>
> The least subjective definition is to map the physical presence of street
> lanterns on the way, not the light they emit. (This definition (though) would
> mean that a footway close to a lit street would be mapped as
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> On 6. Jul 2019, at 12:35, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> Instead of creating artificial boundaries quantising shades of grey into
> black and white, why not make it more objective and record the light level in
> lux on the centre line of the road? Or would it be better to do
sent from a phone
> On 6. Jul 2019, at 12:53, Tobias Zwick wrote:
>
> So "unladen" is the word used in UK legislation? Do you have a link?
> Even if "unladen" is most commonly used in UK, I still find "empty" better
> because it is easier to understand what it means for non native speakers
> I am trying to make lit=yes/no definition more precise
I think that your suggestions would make the definition actually less precise
because they add a fair level of subjectiveness: "necessary to bring your own
light"
The least subjective definition is to map the physical presence of street
On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 12:42, Mateusz Konieczny
wrote:
It is not feasible to do for a typical mapper to record "light level in
> lux".
>
Sadly, however, it is the only objective way of specifying the light
level. And even then, it's
easy to do it wrong if you don't account for the angle of
>Unladen weight is used in European countries to apply only to goods
>vehicles, either 3.5t or 7.5t, and is tagged as hgv=no/destination.
Are you absolutely sure about this?
I am pretty sure myself that hgv are defined differently: as goods vehicles
with a "gross vehicle weight rating" (gvwr),
On 2019-07-06 12:53, Tobias Zwick wrote:
> So "unladen" is the word used in UK legislation? Do you have a link?
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/24/made
> Even if "unladen" is most commonly used in UK, I still find "empty" better
> because it is easier to understand
On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 12:26, Philip Barnes wrote:
> Unladen is certainly the used, and understood, way of expressing such
> restrictions in the UK.
>
> https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained
>
>
Off topic, and not your fault, but that is an explanation that isn't
entirely free from
6 Jul 2019, 12:35 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:
>
> What problem are you trying to fix here? Usually it is pretty obvious if a
> street has artificial lighting or not.
>
>
Unclear desired tagging for footways lit by spillover lighting. As I mentioned
it is usually obvious
but there are cases where
On 06/07/19 20:47, Ferdinand Schicke wrote:
What I couldsee work would be to have additional lit=* values like
lit=weak or lit=spillover or lit=10lux
I tired to use my mobile phone to gauge the amount of night light .. it
did not work very well at all!
lit=weak is too subjective.
I too
On Saturday, 6 July 2019, Warin wrote:
> On 06/07/19 19:46, Colin Smale wrote:
> >
> > On 2019-07-06 10:48, Warin wrote:
> >
> >> On 06/07/19 18:16, Colin Smale wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2019-07-06 05:03, Warin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 05/07/19 19:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 3
On 06/07/19 19:46, Colin Smale wrote:
On 2019-07-06 10:48, Warin wrote:
On 06/07/19 18:16, Colin Smale wrote:
On 2019-07-06 05:03, Warin wrote:
On 05/07/19 19:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
3 Jul 2019, 12:52 by o...@westnordost.de:
1.1 At the examples: for max empty
Unladen is certainly the used, and understood, way of expressing such
restrictions in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained
Phil (trigpoint)
On Saturday, 6 July 2019, Tobias Zwick wrote:
> So "unladen" is the word used in UK legislation? Do you have a link?
> Even if "unladen"
So "unladen" is the word used in UK legislation? Do you have a link?
Even if "unladen" is most commonly used in UK, I still find "empty" better
because it is easier to understand what it means for non native speakers
(simpler word).
In the US, "empty" seems to be most commonly used, as it is
What I couldsee work would be to have additional lit=* values like lit=weak or
lit=spillover or lit=10lux
From: Mateusz Konieczny
Sent: Samstag, 6. Juli 2019 12:26
To: Tagging
Subject: [Tagging] lit=yes/no threshold
Some cases of lit=yes are clear (direct lighting of street/footway by lamps)
What problem are you trying to fix here? Usually it is pretty obvious if
a street has artificial lighting or not. Instead of creating artificial
boundaries quantising shades of grey into black and white, why not make
it more objective and record the light level in lux on the centre line
of the
Some cases of lit=yes are clear (direct lighting of street/footway by lamps)
Some cases of lit=no are clear (no lighting whatsoever)
But in cities there is also often strong or weak ambient light, for example:
- carriageway is directly lit with so powerful light that spillover light
makes
On 2019-07-06 10:48, Warin wrote:
> On 06/07/19 18:16, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> On 2019-07-06 05:03, Warin wrote:
> On 05/07/19 19:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 3 Jul 2019, 12:52 by o...@westnordost.de:
> 1.1 At the examples: for max empty weight, I propose the key maxemptyweight.
> It
On 06/07/19 18:16, Colin Smale wrote:
On 2019-07-06 05:03, Warin wrote:
On 05/07/19 19:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
3 Jul 2019, 12:52 by o...@westnordost.de:
1.1 At the examples: for max empty weight, I propose the key
maxemptyweight. It suggests itself.
Added, with link back to
On 2019-07-06 05:03, Warin wrote:
> On 05/07/19 19:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 3 Jul 2019, 12:52 by o...@westnordost.de:
> 1.1 At the examples: for max empty weight, I propose the key maxemptyweight.
> It suggests itself.
> Added, with link back to this post
Here that would be called
It’s fine to make up new values in the “shop” key, so “shop=christmas”
would work: already used 14 times.
I think party shops are different.
On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 3:51 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick
wrote:
> Just mapping a Christmas shop https://christmasshack.com.au/, which, as
> the name suggests!,
Just mapping a Christmas shop https://christmasshack.com.au/, which, as
the name suggests!, is a shop that operates year round selling Christmas
decorations & supplies of various sorts.
Best option I could find to tag it is
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop=party
Wondering if there
On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 16:27, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
>
> Should we use bbq=yes or barbecue_grill=yes with campsites, caravan
> sites and camp pitches to specify the presence of a grill that can be
> used for bbq / grilling?
>
I would go for barbecue_grill=yes to show that there is "something"
>> *"For example, use the feature leisure=picnic_site with the property
>> tag drinking_water=yes, instead of using the separate feature tag
>> amenity=drinking_water on the same node or area."
>>
>> This example is a bad idea and mappers shouldn't be encouraged to do
>> so. amenity=drinking_water
Another user added bring_own_bbq=yes as a suggestion on the amenity=bbq page
But, getting back to the original question, which I need answered for
my draft proposal Proposed_features/Campsite_properties:
Should we use bbq=yes or barbecue_grill=yes with campsites, caravan
sites and camp pitches
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