Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”

[Warin]

On 22/09/19 16:10, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote:

On 22.9.2019 1.52, Warin wrote:
There are similar places , mostly to run corporate training events .. 
for example Baskerville Hall Hotel, http://www.baskervillehall.co.uk/


Way: Baskerville Hall Hotel (502969627). Tagged as a Hotel in OSM.
You can camp there, and they have conference rooms too.


This indeed seems more like a hotel than these course centers I'm 
referring to. They don't have reception or en-suite rooms and are 
quite a bit more low-end.


???

"Thirty en-suite bedrooms ranging from standard and family rooms to 
individually styled Executive Rooms. All bedrooms are equipped with tea 
and coffee-making facilities, telephones and colour televisions.


Dormitory accommodation and camping facilities are also available by 
arrangement. Exclusive use of the hotel, its grounds and facilities can 
be arranged subject to availability.


Camping is available which must be booked in advance. The charge is £6 
per person per night which includes use of the indoor heated swimming 
pool and showers.



Executive style twins or doubles…. £60
Executive style singles… £70
Standard doubles, twins or triples… £50
Standard single  £60"


Reception is in front of the 1839 staircase...

Low end?




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Re: [Tagging] Default values for surface by road category and country

[Mateusz Konieczny]

22 Sep 2019, 21:38 by vosc...@gmail.com:

> every mapper can set his own, as you doe and I do, but this means that a 
> router has to second guess what people think is standard use in different 
> countries.
>
That is exactly how it works.
In general, tagging surface is almost 
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Re: [Tagging] Default values for surface by road category and country

[Volker Schmidt]

 What I am searching for is a wiki page that tells me which roads do have
default values and what are these default values in which countries.
Without doubt most "highway=x" have no "surface=y" in OSM because the
mappers assume that certain road categories do have certain default surface
values.

In Italy most roads and cycleways have no "surface" tags. If an
"unclassified" road is not paved, it often has a "surface" tag.
If I take the USA, "residential" roads normally have no "surface" tags, but
in some areas of the USA, most "residential" roads are unpaved, in other
areas practically all "residential" roads are paved. In Burkina Faso also
major roads are not paved, but they also do not have a "surface" tag.

@ Richard,
you are describing what I thought was defined as a standard approach
somewhere, but I haven't found anything.
If there isn't an agreed set of defaults, then every mapper can set his
own, as you doe and I do, but this means that a router has to second guess
what people think is standard use in different countries. That's not
terribly satisfactory.

Thinking about this, what would make sense in terms of how the wiki works,
i.e. reflecting the actual use in the community, is to consult the router
developers what they assume the users do. BUT I don't know if we get any
replies.



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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 at 01:03, Richard Fairhurst 
wrote:

> Tom Pfeifer wrote:
> > In the outskirts of Berlin, I have unpaved highway=residential in good
> > neighbourhoods, that are muddy when wet and dusty when dry. Thus Germany
> > qualifies as developing country?
>
> No, it qualifies as somewhere you should tag unpaved roads with a surface=
> tag. Hence the phrase "assumed paved" - if the assumption's wrong, then tag
> the surface accordingly. Volker was asking about defaults, not a single
> unalterable surface for each highway type!
>
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Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

[Tim Magee]

On Saturday, September 21, 2019 2:49:28 PM EDT Valor Naram via Tagging wrote:
> I want to change the wiki page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone throw a Proposal process
> to do certain things:
>   - Deprecating `contact:phone`
I disagree with this idea. I believe that contact:phone is superior to phone. 
This way, all contact information is in its own namespace rather than being 
top level tags. Even though currently the prefixed contact* tags are in the 
minority, I believe that long term they are better. 
>   - Promoting `phone`
>   - Extending `phone`
I would propose that rather we extend contact:phone. 

> But before I do that, I will hear your voices. I included a Markdown
> file with this e-mail and want to know what you think. 
I think that adding country tagged phone numbers seems like a good idea. As 
does phone:emergency. I think phone:night and phone:press are getting too off 
topic (so I wouldn't tag them).


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Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

[Andy Townsend]

On 22/09/2019 11:20, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 at 19:49, Valor Naram via Tagging
 wrote:


I want to change the wiki page
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone throw a Proposal process
to do certain things:
   - Protecting the wiki page against "wild changes"

We generally do not protect Wiki pages unless they are the target of
persistent or egregious vandalism.


Well, sort-of - what tends to happen is that pages that "really 
shouldn't be modified" tend to get moved elsewhere. 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy is an example of 
that.  There are some things that OSM's wiki really isn't the 
appropriate place for.


Best Regards,

Andy

PS: For the avoidance of doubt I'm not suggesting that such a move would 
make sense here.




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Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 at 19:49, Valor Naram via Tagging
 wrote:

> I want to change the wiki page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone throw a Proposal process
> to do certain things:

>   - Protecting the wiki page against "wild changes"

We generally do not protect Wiki pages unless they are the target of
persistent or egregious vandalism.

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Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

[Valor Naram via Tagging]

> What about the other less frequently used duplicates contact:website, contact:email and contact:fax? Wouldn't it make more sense to deprecate them all instead of just one?At least `contact:email` will come. I prefer to work step for step.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changingFrom: Markus To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" CC: On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, 20:51 Valor Naram via Tagging,  wrote:I want to change the wiki page
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone throw a Proposal process
to do certain things:
  - Deprecating `contact:phone`What about the other less frequently used duplicates contact:website, contact:email and contact:fax? Wouldn't it make more sense to deprecate them all instead of just one?Is there a possibility to use Markdown in our wikiNone that i know of.or to convert Markdown into
wiki formatting?https://pandoc.org, according to its homepage, but i've not tried it myself.Regards,Markus

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