Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Warin
On 26/09/19 05:34, Colin Smale wrote: On 2019-09-25 21:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: before number portability was introduced, a landline was more connected to a place than to a person/business, while mobile phones always have been personal. Big companies may be different, but places with

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-25 Thread Warin
Somewhat off the topic of  'was there a proposal for' .. but follow the distorted thread.. disused:*=* means it cannot presently be used for its intended purpose. That does not mean it does not exist. How renders chose to display that is up to them. But the tagging is correct and truthful.

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 25. Sept. 2019 um 16:24 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 14:48, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > E.g. an abandoned:building is probably more a ruin than a building, while >> a disused building is still a building. >> > > Either way, the building is still visible and can

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-25 21:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > before number portability was introduced, a landline was more connected to a > place than to a person/business, while mobile phones always have been > personal. Big companies may be different, but places with small businesses > often keep the

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Sep 2019, at 18:02, Paul Allen wrote: > > It is very much on topic because it is the basis of whether or not there is > any point in making > a distinction between a mobile and a landline. If there are no charge > differences then they're > both just phone

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Valor Naram
That is definitely not what I want. I was just picking up the suggestions made from within this list.Yes, the current Key:phone wiki page provides a way to tag those cases we're talking about which I am going to describe further:- `phone:` Phone number that can be reached from just within the

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-25 20:51, Paul Allen wrote: > What Colin suggested was that PERHAPS we need to deal with the situation > where the > phone has one number when dialled from within the same country but a > different number > when dialled internationally. What he failed to notice is that the wiki >

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 19:54, Philip Barnes wrote: > In the UK it is easy to tell a mobile number, I would not be happy getting > a builder who only has a mobile number. It suggests lack of permanent > location. > Or a one-man-and-a-dog operation and he's not managed to train the dog to answer

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK it is easy to tell a mobile number, I would not be happy getting a builder who only has a mobile number. It suggests lack of permanent location. Phil (trigpoint) On Wednesday, 25 September 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 17:00, Valor Naram wrote: > > > We should not

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 18:08, Valor Naram wrote: > So you suggest `phone:international` and `phone` beside of the other keys > `phone:press`, `phone:night`, `phone:emergency`? > Every time somebody suggest that we don't need all the phone variants that can be found in the wild, you pop up

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Valor Naram
So you suggest `phone:international` and `phone` beside of the other keys `phone:press`, `phone:night`, `phone:emergency`?~ Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changingFrom: Colin Smale To:

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-25 18:02, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 17:00, Valor Naram wrote: > >> We should not talk any longer about charging plans (which provider and when >> will apply different charges to whom) because we're difting off --> going >> Off-Topic. > > It is very much on topic

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 17:00, Valor Naram wrote: > We should not talk any longer about charging plans (which provider and > when will apply different charges to whom) because we're difting off --> > going Off-Topic. > It is very much on topic because it is the basis of whether or not there is

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 16:11, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2019-09-25 16:08, Paul Allen wrote: > > In the UK, people can tell that from the area code. > > > What about the cases where calls to customers on the same provider are > free? In general you have no way of knowing who is on which provider.

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Valor Naram
We should not talk any longer about charging plans (which provider and when will apply different charges to whom) because we're difting off --> going Off-Topic.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-09-25 16:08, Paul Allen wrote: > In the UK, people can tell that from the area code. What about the cases where calls to customers on the same provider are free? In general you have no way of knowing who is on which provider. And thanks to number portability it is getting shuffled at a

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 14:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: E.g. an abandoned:building is probably more a ruin than a building, while a > disused building is still a building. > Either way, the building is still visible and can be used for navigation purposes. If you add disused=yes or

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 14:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: right, you might be charged differently according to your plan / the kind > of device you are calling from. There may be also more distinctions (e.g. > local numbers cheaper), > Yep. All those things and more. Scott Adams (the Dilbert

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 25. Sept. 2019 um 13:08 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > I saw that the wiki page Key:disused: > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:) had a status of > "approved", but I only found a proposal approving the tag disused=yes > (see >

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 25. Sept. 2019 um 14:10 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 09:04, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> I don't see the problem, can you explain? >> > > [Note: some simplifications ahead. Broadly true but there are many > exceptions in > reality.] > > In the UK, calling

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Valor Naram
So we're good to keep `phone:mobile` for mappers who know if the number is a mobile one or landline.We can keep `phone:mobile` for explicit ones where you can say to 100% this is a mobile phone number and will be *generally* charged as such.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor NaramPS: Don't be

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 09:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I don't see the problem, can you explain? > [Note: some simplifications ahead. Broadly true but there are many exceptions in reality.] In the UK, calling rom landlines, calls to mobile numbers are more expensive than calls to

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-25 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 25/9/19 9:06 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: When were the "Lifecycle prefixes" like "disused:key=*", "abandoned:key=*" and "construction:key=*" first used or discussed? Have a look at the talk page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:disused:#Demote_tags_into_a_disused:_namespace

[Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I saw that the wiki page Key:disused: (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:) had a status of "approved", but I only found a proposal approving the tag disused=yes (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:disused:=103021) When were the "Lifecycle prefixes" like

Re: [Tagging] Draft: landuse=open_defecation vs landcover=open_defecation vs open_defecation=yes

2019-09-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
If I had to decide between landuse and landcover, I would also prefer landcover. Still I am not sure whether landuse is a good tag for this, as it is about the prevalent use of land, while the open defecation seems more an additional property (e.g. landuse=residential and open_defecation=yes

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 24. Sept. 2019 um 13:17 Uhr schrieb Valor Naram via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > So the distinction of mobile and landline is a problem. Is there any > possibility to distinct between landline and mobile also in Italy? I don't see the problem, can you explain? By the way,