Re: [Tagging] How to describe footpath border?

2019-10-24 Thread Andrew Harvey
I presume you would also be able to use most of the existing barrier values from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:barrier? How do you think it should would it work if you have multiple, say a nature strip (the section of grass or small trees between the sidewalk and road) AND some other

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I see what you mean. Perhaps the key can help show this: man_made=* for a built environment designed to hold flood waters natural=* for a semi-natural or natural area that occasionally floods (like some basins the the Australian outback, which form lakes only once every 10 or 100 years?) The

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I think that should be basin=detention or perhaps basin=infiltration? A retention basin is filled with water most of the time. basin=infiltration — An infiltration basin catches storm water and allows it to seep into an aquifer. basin=detention — A detention basin catches storm water and allows

[Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-24 Thread Michael Patrick
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle > > > Sorry Clifford, but these are simply footways for pedestrians and can > be > mapped as such. I don't see anything that makes it necessary for a > new tag > They aren't simple, if you've ever had to incorporate all the various design

[Tagging] How to describe footpath border?

2019-10-24 Thread Taskar Center
Hi, This is a corollary discussion to the one raised earlier this week about unprotected pedestrian lanes. Even in protected pedestrian paths and sidewalks, it is useful to know what kind of borders the path has. Is it buffered by grass streetside? Is there a wall on one side? Is there a

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-24 Thread Taskar Center
Thank you, @Clifford. This could be very helpful for navigation of transit hubs and park and rides. Unfortunately, knowing where these pathways are *not* is even more helpful because many times, when these paths are missing, people have to go into the parking aisle (or traffic) to reach the

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-24 Thread Sebastian Dicke via Tagging
Hi, an additional tag would not be bad. But the tagging as footways is sufficient, imho. To help users you should prefer to tag the (estimated) width. Regards Sebastian Am 25.10.19 um 01:03 schrieb Warin: On 25/10/19 06:12, Clifford Snow wrote: I'd like to propose a tagging scheme to

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-24 Thread Leif Rasmussen
@Warin this could be said of sidewalks too - "they're just footways". Why is this any different? I personally think that my adding this new tag, which can easily be ignored by data consumers, we would add a new tool for consumers who want to, for example, study how accessable parking lots are.

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-24 Thread Warin
On 25/10/19 06:12, Clifford Snow wrote: I'd like to propose a tagging scheme to tag parking lot access aisle. Access aisles are marked areas often used between handicap parking spaces but also used to indicate pedestrian access between parking spaces. The proposal can be found on the wiki

[Tagging] bus:guided access modifier

2019-10-24 Thread Neil Matthews
If sections of a busway are not accessible to a normal "bus", but only to a specially capable guided bus -- would it be acceptable to use "bus:guided" as an access modifier? Cheers, Neil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread Warin
On 25/10/19 00:20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I think describing these as "flood prone" in some way is a good idea. I think it would be better to use "flood_mitigation" as that implies deliberate design rather than natural event. I imagine you've already mapped the individual features: the

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 7:55 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 7:20 AM Paul Allen wrote: >> >>> >>> Necessary, but not sufficient. It doesn't just have to be physically >>> treaversable, it has >>> to be legally traversable.

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
In a *much* smaller way, we've got a similar area just near us, where an area has been built to be filled with flood water after very heavy rain. I think it's probably only filled 3-4 times in ~15 years since it was put in. Some photo's, wet & dry! https://ibb.co/SdVF7kt https://ibb.co/4N3mWzQ

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
24 Oct 2019, 08:21 by frede...@remote.org: > Hi, > > On 23.10.19 14:54, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> I think the best suggestion in this case would be to update the >> documentation, particularly in translated pages, clarifying that the tag is >> intended for the formal mini-roundabout design

[Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-24 Thread Clifford Snow
I'd like to propose a tagging scheme to tag parking lot access aisle. Access aisles are marked areas often used between handicap parking spaces but also used to indicate pedestrian access between parking spaces. The proposal can be found on the wiki [1] [1]

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Peter Elderson
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout says > The tag junction = > roundabout is *used only on road intersections where traffic on > the roundabout has right of way* > . > That is,

[Tagging] railway=level_crossing vs tracks embedded into the road

2019-10-24 Thread Vɑdɪm
It's quite often that people mark every crossing between railway=* and highway=* with the railway=level_crossing tag (https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Nls), sometimes even if both belong to the same carriageway. While this situation is rather relevant to tramways, but it also applies other types of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)

2019-10-24 Thread Valor Naram via Tagging
Hello all, since the vote takes currently place, I want to use the time to comment on some reasons given by mappers who opposed my proposal. Normally I won't do that but my personal feel says that it's necessary here. I'm going to use e-mail style quoting for quoting. > Without evidence that

[Tagging] Indoor routes: highway=corridor or highway=footway+indoor=yes ?

2019-10-24 Thread Jeremiah Rose
It seems like there are two competing de facto standards for marking indoor routes; many people are familiar with highway=corridor but highway=footway+indoor=yes is actually more widely used. According to taginfo, highway=corridor is used on 14,183 ways, while highway=footway+indoor=yes is

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread John Willis via Tagging
> On Oct 24, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > rendering for areas that are "subject to inundation". That is a good idea. I think if you have a large area(unrelated to tides) that sometimes floods during extreme weather, mapping it as an area would be a good idea. I

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I think describing these as "flood prone" in some way is a good idea. I imagine you've already mapped the individual features: the levees (man_made=dyke), the individual basins and so on. I wouldn't want to map the whole area as water + intermittent=yes because the water is only rarely present.

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 7:20 AM Paul Allen wrote: > >> >> Necessary, but not sufficient. It doesn't just have to be physically >> treaversable, it has >> to be legally traversable. >> > > Eeeh, I think that's a bit of a grey area, like

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread John Willis via Tagging
I am aware of the underground basins that are dedicated to the task, but I am wondering how to map above-ground basins that are used as regular land 360+ days of the year - something you don't have to deal with when mapping the underground tanks. ~ The rest is not important, but read

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 7:20 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > Necessary, but not sufficient. It doesn't just have to be physically > treaversable, it has > to be legally traversable. > Eeeh, I think that's a bit of a grey area, like stopping on yellow lights. Can you be written up for traversing a

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 02:55, Paul Johnson wrote: OK, I'm looking at it in these images now: > > > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo=wnh2yPXi1HakCH5-dILZHw=51.81508205831051=8.849023785442114=17 > >

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:22 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > The roundabout in the Mapillary images that Paul Johnson posted seems to > be one with a traversable centre. At the same time, I would not expect > my satnav to ask me to "turn left" here, but rather to take the nth exit > at the

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 10:56, John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: Inside, there are three “retarding basins” (numbered 1, 2 & 3), with #1 > having with a large traditional reservoir, parks, golf course, and sports > grounds inside. > There is more to the system than

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Tony OSM
I think deprecating mini_roundabout is incorrect. Near where I live in Chorley England a 3 way junction was converted to a mini-roundabout to equalise the flow of traffic. The space available made a build roundabout impractical, and traffic lights would have been overkill. It works. It is

[Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-24 Thread John Willis via Tagging
With the recent typhoon in Japan, I was able to see the giant river flood control systems used for the first time (since I moved here in 2011). they are the size of cities, covering many sq KM. There are some photos here, showing a cycling trip I took downriver to see how it works.

Re: [Tagging] swimming=* access tag

2019-10-24 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 10/24/19 03:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I am not opposed to the term "swimming", or using it as an access value > (there are ~400 uses of it, and although "natural" is the second most > used value, it isn't significant in absolute numbers), > but putting it under "water based

Re: [Tagging] swimming=* access tag

2019-10-24 Thread rob
Hi Martin,I would agree that water transportation is a very poor description of it, however that seems to be the least inappropriate place to put it in the hierarchical list on the wiki page for access=*. The list also includes canoe=*, which isn't really transportation for  e.g. a recreational

Re: [Tagging] swimming=* access tag

2019-10-24 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 19:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Mi., 23. Okt. 2019 um 12:03 Uhr schrieb Robert Skedgell < > r...@hubris.org.uk>: > >> I wonder whether it would be worth adding a swimming=* access tag to the >> wiki and the list under "Water-based transportation" section of the page

Re: [Tagging] swimming=* access tag

2019-10-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 23. Okt. 2019 um 12:03 Uhr schrieb Robert Skedgell < r...@hubris.org.uk>: > I wonder whether it would be worth adding a swimming=* access tag to the > wiki and the list under "Water-based transportation" section of the page > for access=* (alongside boat=*/canoe=*)? > I am not opposed

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Oct 2019, at 08:24, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > Which if taken at face value would make any roundabout, however big and > however many roads join there, a "mini roundabout" if the centre is > traversable. +1, this is how I see it making sense, without having to

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 23.10.19 14:54, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I think the best suggestion in this case would be to update the > documentation, particularly in translated pages, clarifying that the tag is > intended for the formal mini-roundabout design as found in the UK, Ireland, > France etc., and not for