Re: [Tagging] Clearer definition of tunnel=flooded: when should it be used instead of tunnel=yes or tunnel=culvert?
sent from a phone > On 22. Mar 2020, at 00:46, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > How safe for walking does the tunnel have to be? waterways often will have quite different levels depending on the atmospheric conditions in the past days and weeks in the upstream area. When does it have to be safe? 99.9% of the year? At all times? 70%? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Clearer definition of tunnel=flooded: when should it be used instead of tunnel=yes or tunnel=culvert?
Unfortunately the original proposal did not really define tunnel=flooded, nor did it clearly list it as a proposed new tag. Now this page says: "A long (>100m) tunnel where flowing water or other fluid prevent humans from safely walking inside" It needs to be more clear when mappers should use tunnel=flooded and when they should use tunnel=culvert or tunnel=yes. Should a waterway=river every be tunnel=flooded, or is it then a canal? How safe for walking does the tunnel have to be? What about if a boat can go through the tunnel, but you can't walk? Wiki page Tag:tunnel=flooded: "A flooded tunnel is an artificial structure intended to channel water on a significant distance. Its dimensions and length allow human to fit inside but safe walking is impossible due to high amount of water or other fluid expected in operation." "Such tunnels are different from tunnel=culvert where human usually can't enter and for which dimensions are restricted to building or way it is supposed to go underpass." "They are also different from tunnel=yes where a path is usually intended for human to safely pass and where water level is usally controlled for safety reasons" But Tag:tunnel=culvert just says "You may use tunnel=flooded to map larger and longer tunnels used to channelise any fluid." And Key:tunnel says: "Where the water from a smaller stream, drain or even cattle crossing passes under a way structure or a building consider using tunnel=culvert in place of the tunnel=yes used for accessible and larger tunnels for roads or railways." "When the waterway=* runs underground for a considerable distance, you can use tunnel=flooded especially when the duct isn't designed to be safely accessible in operation or man_made=pipeline for sections built with tube assemblies." Key:waterway says: "A long (> 100 m) tunnel where flowing water or other fluid prevent humans from safely walking inside despite its appropriate diameter or size. Water inside can be pressurised or not, used in combination with any waterway=* linear value." -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Addresses with PO Box, and other delivery type addresses.
Joseph Eisenberg writes: > I agree with "addr:mail=*" as a tag to add to guesthouses, shops, > farms and other businesses, as a way to send letters and perhaps small > parcels, which might be delivered to a PO Box or some rural delivery > system, rather than to the physical address of the shop, business or > other public feature. If a business *publishes* a mailing address, then that seems reasonable, but it also seems to be veering into OSM as a database of businesses vs a map. But I can see the point that the mailing address of a business is not so different from the website URL and phone number. > But I would caution against adding this to private house features, due > to privacy laws in some countries. Agreed. At best it would be highly rude, and I think it's important not to have a general perception bythe world that OSM is rude. Many people seem to think that anything they can find out should be published, and I think mappers need to ask themselves what should be published. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 13:26, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I guess it depends on what state the building is in, eg if it's been > gutted and in need of a lot of maintenance to be a functional service > building then I'd probably still use the lifecycle prefix. > At the risk of awakening an old religious war, I'd use building=service + disused=yes rather than disused:building=service. Take that as a suggestion of valid tagging you may find preferable rather than an insistence you do it that way. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
I guess it depends on what state the building is in, eg if it's been gutted and in need of a lot of maintenance to be a functional service building then I'd probably still use the lifecycle prefix. I thought about disused:building:use=service but not sure... On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 23:51, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I don't think disused:building is the correct key. This is still a > building=service, it's just being used to house bats instead of > equipment. It is still a building. > > man_made=nesting_site is a good addition. But the current description > suggests that it is "mounted on a support". Is that a requirement for > using the tag? > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > > On 3/21/20, althio wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 12:24, Andrew Harvey > > wrote: > > > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix > >> > >> disused:building=service > >> > > > > This, and: > > man_made=nesting_site > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dnesting_site > > > > > > > >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:13, s8evq wrote: > >> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> How would you tag a small building that used to be an electricity > >>> building where the army put power generators for the (backup) power of > >>> an > >>> airfield. This is not used anymore by the army. They transformed these > >>> little house to provide ideal conditions for bats to live in. (close > >>> certain entrances, put earth around the walls in a slope etc...). Any > >>> ideas? Thanks. > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Tagging mailing list > >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >>> > >> ___ > >> Tagging mailing list > >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >> > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 12:51, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > man_made=nesting_site is a good addition. But the current description > suggests that it is "mounted on a support". Is that a requirement for > using the tag? > It is clear from the first image on the page that "support" has a broader meaning than some of us would give it. The roof is supporting the nests but it's not what many speakers of British English would call a support. The tag should probably have been "placement" or something similar rather than "support." -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Addresses with PO Box, and other delivery type addresses.
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 02:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I refer to the 'address' of the Barkly Homestead; > > > "PRIVATE MAIL BAG 32 > Tennant Creek > Northern Territory 0862 > I would tag the building as addr:housename=Barkly Homestead, addr:city=Tennant Creek, etc. Actually, since it's a business, I'd probably just use name=* and leave addr:housename blank because you can infer the name is part of the address, but some people may prefer to use only addr:housename or both. There's a business near me which does not have a house number (and it's clear from the houses on the street which do have house numbers that it never had a house number) and doesn't have a house name (that I've been able to identify) just the name of the business. Nevertheless, "Teifi Furniture, Napier Street, ..." is sufficient to identify it and find it. Prior to you giving an actual example I thought you were talking of buildings that had neither housename nor number. For this particular example, being able to add the mail bag would be helpful but not necessary for most use cases. The primary uses of a map are to figure out how to get somewhere and to find out what a particular POI is. Using name=* and/or addr:housename=* serves those purposes. > For other deliveries? > " 19.7107° S, 135.8275° E > Not necessary if you're looking at an OSM map with a map pin showing the location. You can see where it is. You can turn on location on OSM map and see where you are in relation to it as you drive there. You can even ask the OSM map to give you a route. > Situated on the Barkly Highway > addr:street=Barkly Highway Note - no house number, lot number etc... But it does have a business name. Which I'd guess derived from the house name or farm name. Whatever key is used there will need to be some sort of format of the value > to identify CRLF, particularly if the key is to carry the entire address > (country, postcode, state, town/city/ etc) in the format wanted by the > delivering organization. I am assuming that the complete address will need > to be placed here as it may vary from what is entered in the other addr > tags. Back when it seemed you were talking of buildings that had no address other than the PO box/whatever, I'd have agreed with you that if this is the only address the place has, you should tag it. For this particular example, it's a nice touch like giving the phone number or a URL but not strictly necessary: if the place wants mail to go to a PO Box/whatever it's really up to them to ensure that people who might send them stuff know the details rather than rely on us. Otherwise, none of them will get any mail until we map them. :) -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
I don't think disused:building is the correct key. This is still a building=service, it's just being used to house bats instead of equipment. It is still a building. man_made=nesting_site is a good addition. But the current description suggests that it is "mounted on a support". Is that a requirement for using the tag? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/21/20, althio wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 12:24, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix >> >> disused:building=service >> > > This, and: > man_made=nesting_site > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dnesting_site > > > >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:13, s8evq wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> How would you tag a small building that used to be an electricity >>> building where the army put power generators for the (backup) power of >>> an >>> airfield. This is not used anymore by the army. They transformed these >>> little house to provide ideal conditions for bats to live in. (close >>> certain entrances, put earth around the walls in a slope etc...). Any >>> ideas? Thanks. >>> >>> ___ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 12:24, Andrew Harvey wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix > > disused:building=service > This, and: man_made=nesting_site https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dnesting_site > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:13, s8evq wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> How would you tag a small building that used to be an electricity >> building where the army put power generators for the (backup) power of an >> airfield. This is not used anymore by the army. They transformed these >> little house to provide ideal conditions for bats to live in. (close >> certain entrances, put earth around the walls in a slope etc...). Any >> ideas? Thanks. >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
building=service On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 5:24 PM Andrew Harvey wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix > > disused:building=service > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:13, s8evq wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> How would you tag a small building that used to be an electricity >> building where the army put power generators for the (backup) power of an >> airfield. This is not used anymore by the army. They transformed these >> little house to provide ideal conditions for bats to live in. (close >> certain entrances, put earth around the walls in a slope etc...). Any >> ideas? Thanks. >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix disused:building=service On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 19:13, s8evq wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How would you tag a small building that used to be an electricity building > where the army put power generators for the (backup) power of an airfield. > This is not used anymore by the army. They transformed these little house > to provide ideal conditions for bats to live in. (close certain entrances, > put earth around the walls in a slope etc...). Any ideas? Thanks. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building
Hi everyone, How would you tag a small building that used to be an electricity building where the army put power generators for the (backup) power of an airfield. This is not used anymore by the army. They transformed these little house to provide ideal conditions for bats to live in. (close certain entrances, put earth around the walls in a slope etc...). Any ideas? Thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] General Tags for unmapped cities
> Hi Joseph, the mappers will survey the buildings with mapillary imagery that > we upload for them, these buildings are already mapped in the Openstreetmap > Database, but as a generic tag like "building=yes" Great. It is helpful to update the building tag to a more precise value. But as mentioned above, the use of an area is usually mapped as a larger landuse=retail/commercial/etc. feature around the buildings and other surrounding land. The building=* tag should describe what the building looks like. Often that has something to do with it's function: a building of storefronts with glass display windows will often be mapped as building=retail, and a supermarket building is usually a special design and can be tagged building=supermarket. But residential buildings should be mapped based on the actual design: like building=apartment, building=semidetached_house, building=house, building=dormitory, and so on. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/21/20, Guillermo Ariel Silva Lopez wrote: > Hi Joseph, the mappers will survey the buildings with mapillary imagery > that we upload for them, these buildings are already mapped in the > Openstreetmap Database, but as a generic tag like "building=yes" > > > Guillermo Silva > > El sáb., 21 mar. 2020 a las 0:12, Joseph Eisenberg (< > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>) escribió: > >> Muchas gracias, Sr. Silva >> >> > we seek to upload more data to mapped building polygons by the MapPYOSM >> project in different cities of Paraguay. >> >> Do you mean that these buildings are already mapped in the >> Openstreetmap Database, but as a generic tag like "building=yes"? >> >> Or are you planning to import the shapes of buildings from an external >> database? >> >> If you are adding the tags due to local knowledge of the mappers, >> especially if the mappers survey the buildings, then that is great. >> >> If the data is coming from an external source, please read and follow >> the Import Guidelines and the Automated Edits Code of Conduct: >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines >> >> You may wish to look at how the key building=* is currently used: >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building >> >> Most commonly, the key "building=*" describes how the building looks: >> for example, a building that was built as a church, but is now used as >> a theatre, is still a "building=church" but then you add >> "amenity=theatre" to show that it is used as a theatre. >> >> Residential, commercial and retail areas are mapped with the key >> Landuse and include the land around the buildings. In residential >> areas, this would include gardens, lawns, garages, parkings spaces, >> and so on, tagged landuse=residential. The buildings will be >> building=house, building=apartment, building=duplex, building=terrace >> and so on. >> >> In Commercial and Retail areas, the landuse area will include parking >> lots, service roads, service buildings, outdoor seating areas, >> courtyards, and so on, in the landuse=commercial or landuse=retail >> areas. >> >> And landuse=industrial includes the industrial facilities as well as >> warehouses, man_made=works (factories), service roads, parking lots, >> power lines, etc. >> >> There is currently no established tag for mixed-use urban areas, but >> most of these are tagged as landuse=retail, since retail is often the >> main use of the first floor or level of the buildings in a mixed-use >> area. If retail isn't the main use, rather offices plus hotels and >> some residential, it is common to use landuse=commercial for >> commercial+residential or office+hotel areas. >> >> In addition, mappers are encouraged to map the shops, offices, and >> other individual features within each building. A building=office will >> often contain one or more office=company, office=ngo, or >> office=government features. Retail buildings and landuse will contain >> one or more shop=* features >> >> See: >> - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop >> - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office >> >> For public services, many things are found under office=government or >> amenity=* >> - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aoffice%3Dgovernment >> - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity >> >> As a general overview, you can see the complete list of common >> features at Map Features: >> - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features >> >> Also see "How we map" >> - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map >> >> And "how to map landuse" which includes a relatively complete list of >> tags related to how lands and buildings are used: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landuse >> >> I hope your project is successful! >> >> -- Joseph Eisenberg >> >> On 3/21/20, Guillermo Ariel Silva Lopez wrote: >> > Hello, I am currently working on a project called Atlas Urbano ( >> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AtlasUrbano) where we seek to >> > upload >> >
