Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Mar 2020, at 01:56, Greg Troxel wrote: > (times square) > But is that a place=square? That is simply an intersection which is > called square. There is no hard-surfaced area for people separate frrom > the roads. But there’s an architectural staging /

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Mar 2020, at 01:07, Greg Troxel wrote: > > I think you are saying that the open, typically hard-surfaced, typically > square area that is typically contained within roadways, is exactly the > square. That one should draw a way around that area, such that no roads >

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Allen writes: > I can think of one US city square which has "square" in the name > (not square shaped, though) that is rather well-known. If you > can't think of it the ball will drop eventually, at midnight on Dec 31st. But is that a place=square? That is simply an intersection which is

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:17 PM Paul Johnson wrote: >> I fully understand the difficulty with rendering only from route >> relations. I maintain a renderer that does it. It still needs some >> serious programming if it is to scale to handle minutely updates >> against the planet. The project

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:45 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:57 PM Richard Fairhurst > wrote: > > > Sure. NCN 4 is called "NCN 4" in the same sense that the M4 is called the > > "M4". That's fine - plenty of people refer to it that way. But OSM > > convention, dating back

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:57 PM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Sure. NCN 4 is called "NCN 4" in the same sense that the M4 is called the > "M4". That's fine - plenty of people refer to it that way. But OSM > convention, dating back 15ish years, is that in situations like this, you > put the number

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:29 PM Peter Neale via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Like Dave, I am not sure that I see a huge issue with a name and a > reference duplicating each other (or at least overlapping). > > Names and References are essentially doing the same job; they identify

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
Like Dave, I am not sure that I see a huge issue with a name and a reference duplicating each other (or at least overlapping). Names and References are essentially doing the same job; they identify "things"; they are proper nouns. We probably expect a name to be a word (or words) and a reference

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Warin
On 29/3/20 8:18 am, Clifford Snow wrote: Richard - and anyone else who can help. Can someone help with an overpass query to find problem route relations? I'm happy to help fix, but my overpass skills are, well to put it bluntly, not worth shit:-) You are not alone. However looking at

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dave Fox wrote: > I'm not sure I'm seeing the problem. What /is/ the "actual" name > for UK cycle routes? > NCN 4 is named as National Cycle Network Route 4 as that's what > Sustran call it. > I'm not convinced names & refs *have* to be mutually exclusive. Sure. NCN 4 is called "NCN 4" in the

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 3:39 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > Richard Fairhurst:: > >> If you need somewhere for a mapper-facing route description (and I can >> see that you need that for “part United Kingdom 5”), then I guess the >> obvious place to put that is the note= tag. But let’s keep it out

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-28 Thread ael
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:10:58PM +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 28.03.2020 12:45, ael wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Piccadilly Circus (note the different word). > > > Is this a town square for British people? I notice the English WP seems

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Clifford Snow
Richard - and anyone else who can help. Can someone help with an overpass query to find problem route relations? I'm happy to help fix, but my overpass skills are, well to put it bluntly, not worth shit:-) Thanks, Clifford On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:18 AM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Hello

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-28 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 28.03.2020 12:45, ael wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Piccadilly Circus (note the different word). Is this a town square for British people? I notice the English WP seems to avoid the word square (although it then calls it a plaza), while both,

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Peter Elderson
Richard Fairhurst:: > If you need somewhere for a mapper-facing route description (and I can see > that you need that for “part United Kingdom 5”), then I guess the obvious > place to put that is the note= tag. But let’s keep it out of the name tag; > and let’s have a concerted effort to remove

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/03/2020 19:16, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: Well, if somebody takes care of rendering [1] OSM data structure, situation doesn't look so bad. [1] https://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/#routelist?map=10!54.7983!-1.3075  Not really - that's just ignoring names on the main map and showing

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 28/03/2020 18:18, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Hello folks, Route relation names aren’t in a great state, are they? Let’s say that I want to render cycle route names on a map (because, well, I do). I zoom in on a way along the East Coast of Britain and I find it’s a member of this route:  

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 2:30 PM Andrew Hain wrote: > Proposal for QA tools: flag anything with the same number in the name and > ref. > So much this. I see this a lot and had to fix a bit of that when I was doing I 405 work. "Interstate 405" is *not* a name and shouldn't be there...

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 1:18 PM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > A modest proposal: let’s use the name= tag in route relations for route > names. Let’s use the ref= tag for route numbers. If it doesn’t have a name, > it shouldn’t have a name= tag. Same as we do everywhere else. > I'm OK with this.

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Andrew Hain
Proposal for QA tools: flag anything with the same number in the name and ref. -- Andrew From: Richard Fairhurst Sent: 28 March 2020 18:18 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names Hello folks, Route

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Cascafico Giovanni
Il giorno sab 28 mar 2020 alle ore 19:19 Richard Fairhurst < rich...@systemed.net> ha scritto: > > Hello folks, > Route relation names aren’t in a great state, are they? > > The upshot: bad luck if you want to render the actual names of routes on a map. You can’t. Well, if somebody takes care of

[Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hello folks, Route relation names aren’t in a great state, are they? Let’s say that I want to render cycle route names on a map (because, well, I do). I zoom in on a way along the East Coast of Britain and I find it’s a member of this route:  https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/9579  

Re: [Tagging] Veterinary pharmacy

2020-03-28 Thread Volker Schmidt
I think we need different tags for pharmacies for humans and pharmacies that are exclusively veterinary, for a very simple reason, that is to avoid having the ambiguity when a place is tagged only as pharmacy without veterinary yes/no (or equivalent) On Sat, 28 Mar 2020, 14:41 Paul Allen,

Re: [Tagging] Veterinary pharmacy

2020-03-28 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 09:47, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28/3/20 7:51 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > > On 28. Mar 2020, at 08:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > veterinary medical supplies, how to choose what amenity? > >

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-28 Thread ael
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > to give an example of an object which I would call a square (maybe not in > English): https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.50997/-0.13430 > > Piccadilly Circus (note the different word). > Is this a town square for

Re: [Tagging] Veterinary pharmacy

2020-03-28 Thread Warin
On 28/3/20 7:51 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 28. Mar 2020, at 08:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: veterinary medical supplies, how to choose what amenity? <#> On 28/3/20 6:12 pm, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Hello, I have a question about this tag:

Re: [Tagging] Veterinary pharmacy

2020-03-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Mar 2020, at 08:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> veterinary medical supplies, how to choose what amenity? > > > > Map both as separate nodes. but it’s the same shop. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Veterinary pharmacy

2020-03-28 Thread Warin
On 28/3/20 6:12 pm, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: Hello, I have a question about this tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dveterinary_pharmacy It's not much adopted and in unknown status. Should we use it? Some pharmacies also sells veterinary medical supplies, how to choose

[Tagging] Veterinary pharmacy

2020-03-28 Thread Francesco Ansanelli
Hello, I have a question about this tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dveterinary_pharmacy It's not much adopted and in unknown status. Should we use it? Some pharmacies also sells veterinary medical supplies, how to choose what amenity? Is it possible to use a veterinary=*

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-28 Thread Phake Nick
在 2020年3月27日週五 21:05,Paul Allen 寫道: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 12:31, Simon Poole wrote: > >> Pretending that they do isn't a useful concept and yes they typically >> won't have transliterations either. >> > I'm not pretending the street I'm on has a name in Mandarin. But the > country I'm in