Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Florimond Berthoux wrote: > > Hazard tag seems to be used when there is a sign, so I'm not confident to use > it for doorzone. > > There is two choices : > 1. describe the layout of the street lanes + cyclelanes + : parking lane + > sidewalk > then add the widt of

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 7:54 PM Paul Allen wrote: > I'm not sure we need to tag the carillon. The ones in churches I've > encountered or read about aren't operated as attractions. Not important for tagging, but perhaps worth mentioning. Normally, in summer there are concerts in 3 Flemish towns

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 22:04, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > Paul, this thread is not trying to convince you to go tag carillions. It's > to figure out how to tag them, for people that *do *want to tag them and > would find that useful. If it's not your thing that's fine, just sit this > one out.

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

I can add some carillon fun facts (with implications for OSM): The largest Carillon in Europe is in Halle (Saale) [1] with 76 bells. They actually aimed for being the largest in the world but did bad research. Turns out there are two bigger ones with 77 bells in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan in

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

Paul, this thread is not trying to convince you to go tag carillions. It's to figure out how to tag them, for people that *do *want to tag them and would find that useful. If it's not your thing that's fine, just sit this one out. Cheers, Brad On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:28 PM Paul Allen wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

An addition to my ideas: I think bell_tower=carillon does not really fit, because it says nothing about what kind of bell_tower it is, like the other values of bell_tower do.   Wikipedia says: "A carillon is a musical instrument that is typically housed in the bell tower (belfry) of a church"

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 19:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I understand you are mostly interested in visual aspects, but OSM doesn’t > have to limit itself to this, IMHO carillons are mostly about music so > whether you can see them is not so important. > Already covered under

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

Okay. So I may conclude:   - We have those carillons inside bell towers, often we do not see them at all. Not sure whether to tag those, at least the attraction=* key would not fit for all of them.   - We have some carillons outside of bell_towers, and I think these are the ones which are

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

sent from a phone > On 6. May 2020, at 19:54, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'm not sure we need to tag the carillon. The ones in churches I've > encountered or read about aren't operated as attractions. The bells aren't > visible, the mechanisms aren't visible, the operator isn't visible and

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 14:47, wrote: > > Okay, I agree with that. So maybe we have to differentiate there. In > Germany, Wuppertal, we have this one: > > It's inside a building or rather covered by it, but it's function is like > a tourism=attraction, and for me there is no tower really, so I

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

I have a carillion at 200m distance from my house. I am 100% sure it is not played by manual but by program. It plays every Sunday. Hits, children's songs, celebration songs and evergreens with every repetition exactly the same, no variation at all. I am also sure punch books are not involved,

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

Hazard tag seems to be used when there is a sign, so I'm not confident to use it for doorzone. There is two choices : 1. describe the layout of the street lanes + cyclelanes + : parking lane + sidewalk then add the widt of the cycle lane. Data consumer can deduce if the lane is dangerous or not +

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

On 2020-05-06 17:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > what are the requirements, do you require the sound coming from actual bells, > or would a recording of bells playing from loudspeakers qualify as well? > Midi-generated sounds? Sorry to nit-pick, but Midi doesn't generate sounds, it commands

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 14:03 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 6. May 2020, at 13:14, lukas-...@web.de wrote: > > > > In the wiki I found bell_tower=* (but without a carillon-specific > > value) and I think a carillon does not have to be a bell_tower at > > all, so

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

what are the requirements, do you require the sound coming from actual bells, or would a recording of bells playing from loudspeakers qualify as well? Midi-generated sounds? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

Or use class:bicycle=* for classification of those ways, but I still know it's a tag which might be non-specific, "as someones likes it" and with an individual taste. But it puts several things which have influence on how suitable/useful a cycleway is together, so I think it might be a good idea

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

Oh Yes I agree, it's the same thing like that that (nearly) all railway=platforms have the risk that a passing-by train appears, and that's also a very general hazard implied by the situation. Or when there's a street with a very narrow sidewalk. It would be tagged by sidewalk:left:width=*, but to

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

Seems to me that the hazard is a general hazard applying to all mixed traffic/parking situations. I would not map such a general hazard. Mapping events and risks, unless indicated by signage or markings, doesn't seem like a good idea to me. In specific cases the hazard may deserve mapping, then

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

My thinking was more general, more along the lines of these old proposals Talk:Proposed features/hazard i.e. a structured tagging appraoch for hazards of all types. For my taste "dooring" is one type of many that may be of

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

Hmm okay, convinced. I only hope noone else comes with that topic later again then, but to me it's ok.   -- Lukas Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. Mai 2020 um 14:15 Uhr Von: "Andrew Harvey" An: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes     On Wed, 6

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

"More seriously, attraction=carillon would be appropriate for one in a theme park or the like but I don't think it suitable for a carillon housed in a bell tower of a church where it is out of sight (but, sadly, not out of hearing).  I'd suggest that if attraction=carillon is added to the wiki

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 22:08, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 6. May 2020, at 13:20, lukas-...@web.de wrote: > > > > I agree with that, but then note that for "justice" we would need a > foot:doorzone=yes, too, because when a sidewalk is in the parking car's > doorzone

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

sent from a phone > On 6. May 2020, at 13:20, lukas-...@web.de wrote: > > I agree with that, but then note that for "justice" we would need a > foot:doorzone=yes, too, because when a sidewalk is in the parking car's > doorzone (I think most sidewalks next to parking:lane=parallel are), there

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

sent from a phone > On 6. May 2020, at 13:14, lukas-...@web.de wrote: > > In the wiki I found bell_tower=* (but without a carillon-specific value) and > I think a carillon does not have to be a bell_tower at all, so these are two > different things. I am aware of this instance:

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 12:14, wrote: > > In the wiki I found bell_tower=* (but without a carillon-specific value) > and I think a carillon does not have to be a bell_tower at all, so these > are two different things. > According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carillon they're typically found

Re: [Tagging] Doorzone bicycle lanes

"highway=path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone bicycle:doorzone=yes (the bicycle lane of the path,footway,cycleway is in a doorzone) https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ewtPBxYM_289cWusHEWytw"   I agree with that, but then note that for "justice" we would need a foot:doorzone=yes, too, because

[Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

Hi, I just wanted to ask whether there is any existing tagging for carillons already. In the wiki I found nothing, and I saw some may use tourism=attraction or bell=carillon already, but their uses are less and furthermore I think that these do not really fit.   In the wiki I found bell_tower=*

Re: [Tagging] RFC ele:regional

Am 04.05.2020 um 15:19 schrieb Kevin Kenny: > Elevation as height-above-ellipsoid, unless you're using it in the > intermediate results of a GPS calculation, is nonsensical. However if you read the argumentation on the Altitude page that was exactly the reasoning: store hae and therefore be able