Re: [Tagging] oneway=yes on motorways

2020-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 24, 2020, 18:51 Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 5/24/20 15:26, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I just noticed an apparent contradiction regarding the use of the oneway > > tag between the wiki pages key:oneway > > and motorway > >

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-05-25 Thread Alan Mackie
Has this edit war stabilised? Apparently it has been blocking coastline updates across the whole world for *months *now. https://osmdata.openstreetmap.de/data/land-polygons.html https://github.com/fossgis/osmdata/issues/7 On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 11:40, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Monday 13

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Jack Armstrong
I agree with Mateusz Konieczny. If there is some vestige of the object remaining, then mapping it in some way seems reasonable. But, if the railway, building, highway, etc., are completely removed and there are absolutely no visible remains of what was once there, it can be removed.I don't see the

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread brad
I meant in my area On 5/25/20 3:47 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: May 25, 2020, 20:34 by bradha...@fastmail.com: 'm not sure anyone maps sidewalks. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.24167/21.01532=N https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/footway=sidewalk (only part of

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 25, 2020, 23:50 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com: > then it depends > on whether the former railway has significance in some other less > obvious way (e.g. being part of an administrative boundary) > This is going too far. Glaciers left clear marks in many countries, but mapping glaciers of

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Fernando Trebien
If there is any detectable sign that there was a rail there one day, surely it could be mapped - and especially so if the locals still remember and/or refer to it. If it has been completely removed, with other things built on top of it, or the area completely remodeled so that there is no trace

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 25, 2020, 20:34 by bradha...@fastmail.com: > 'm not sure anyone maps sidewalks. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.24167/21.01532=N https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/footway=sidewalk (only part of separately mapped sidewalks has it)

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Phake Nick
在 2020年5月25日週一 19:35,Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> 寫道: > > > > May 25, 2020, 09:47 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > > sent from a phone > > On 25. May 2020, at 08:54, Colin Smale wrote: > > 1. Live and let live - OSM has always been a broad church. It might not be >

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> The fact that they thought it was a good idea to munge path and footway together is partially what got us into this mess My understanding is that mappers were already using highway=footway and highway=path in overlapping ways. In Indonesia, there does not seem to be any consistency about

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 03:03:40PM -0400, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:42 AM Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > > The SAC scale grades 1-3 are quite helpful. It's just the blue scales 4-6 > > which are not really applicable in OSM because very few routes of that > > scale would fall under

Re: [Tagging] Change of wiki page Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 01:38:57PM +0200, Florimond Berthoux wrote: > I have encounter this issue many times : reality vs traffic sign. > No vehicle acces to the wood in Paris, except that cyclist go there and > that normal. > A living street sign on a transit road. > Etc. > > I would like to be

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread brad
I think I agree with what Kevin is saying, but I confess I'm not sure what the problem is.   In my area, even looking at a nearby big city,  most of the 'paths' are dirt trails.   There are some cycleways too.   I'm not sure anyone maps sidewalks. I think the fundamental problem is the original

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 10:12:34PM +0800, Phake Nick wrote: > > So - To quote from Postels Law - On of the inventors of the Internet: > > > > "Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others" > > Your email initially sound like you thinl they shouldn't be deleted but >

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Kevin Kenny
I took the liberty of revising the English translation in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale#Values to something that I hope will be more helpful to English speakers. Some of the phrases had obviously been machine-translated - the worst was most likely 'single plainly climbing up to

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging-fr] [Talk-ml] [Talk-sn] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-25 Thread Rafael Avila Coya
Hi, Marc: What I say is that, following this thread it's not clear to many of us that we have to deprecate a tag with which we are quite happy, and that a more clear definition would suffice to go on using it. Like for example the defining characteristics suggested by Jean-Marc Liotier today:

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-25 Thread Enock Seth Nyamador
> > These places have a particular focus on deadly diseases affecting > children, they include prevention, health promotion and curative > activities. Since these don't even have a single nurse as staff, I would > like to propose a separate value such as healthcare=community_care or >

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-25 Thread Manda Andriatsiferana
Wait, I was wrong, it should be: - health facility has doctor -> amenity=doctors + healthcare=* - health facility has no doctor but has nurse -> healthcare=nurse/centre - health facility has neither doctor nor nurse -> amenity=health_post + healthcare=community_health_worker Depends

Re: [Tagging] any valid usage of admin_level=1 ?

2020-05-25 Thread Phake Nick
在 2020年5月25日週一 21:39,Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> 寫道: > > > > May 25, 2020, 15:27 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 14:58, Marc M. wrote: > > Hello, > > following a small thread on irc, I have review 20 usage of admin_level=1 > all are mistakes, often by

[Tagging] taxi included in psv? (was: Access tag abuse examples)

2020-05-25 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 09:29, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >> Is meaning of psv=* territory dependent? I don't get that impression >> from the wiki, and was under the impression it was to include taxis >> worldwide. Please tell me if I had that wrong. > > I though that the point of that

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Phake Nick
在 2020年5月25日週一 16:12,Florian Lohoff 寫道: > > Hola, > > On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 08:52:21AM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > > 1. Live and let live - OSM has always been a broad church. It might not > > be your hobby, but it is their's. The bar to actively deleting other > > people's work should be set

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
Warin: > Local to me the 'Great North Walk' is signposted in many different ways. > > e.g. > Post with directional arrows > http://thegreatnorthwalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/ww_photo_Looking-into-Mulbinga-Street.jpg > Some of these posts have no name plate so those may not be recognized by

Re: [Tagging] any valid usage of admin_level=1 ?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 25, 2020, 15:27 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > On 2020-05-25 14:58, Marc M. wrote: > > >> Hello, >> >> following a small thread on irc, I have review 20 usage of admin_level=1 >> all are mistakes, often by new mapper >> for ex >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275 >> is there a

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 25, 2020, 14:53 by privatemaj...@gmail.com: > And this leaves no room for amenity=healthcare. Can't we just get a rendering > for amenity=health_post? > Depends on a renderer. Such discussions about features in specific renderers are offtopic here (though "is it possible to render it at

Re: [Tagging] Access tag abuse examples

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 25, 2020, 15:04 by ja...@piorkowski.ca: > On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 07:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > >> May 25, 2020, 11:06 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: >> >>> Is there a uniform definition of "motor_vehicle" in terms of its >>> constituent vehicle classes? Do the constituent

Re: [Tagging] any valid usage of admin_level=1 ?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 14:58, Marc M. wrote: > Hello, > > following a small thread on irc, I have review 20 usage of admin_level=1 > all are mistakes, often by new mapper > for ex https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275 > is there a case of real use of admin_level=1? > wiki only said that UE isn't a

Re: [Tagging] Access tag abuse examples

2020-05-25 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 07:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > May 25, 2020, 11:06 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: >> Is there a uniform definition of "motor_vehicle" in terms of its constituent >> vehicle classes? Do the constituent classes also have a uniform definition? >> A problematic

[Tagging] any valid usage of admin_level=1 ?

2020-05-25 Thread Marc M.
Hello, following a small thread on irc, I have review 20 usage of admin_level=1 all are mistakes, often by new mapper for ex https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/779838275 is there a case of real use of admin_level=1? wiki only said that UE isn't a admin_level=1 but don't list any valid usage of it

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-25 Thread Manda Andriatsiferana
So, as far as I can understand: - health facility has doctor -> amenity=doctors + healthcare=* - health facility has no doctor -> amenity=health_post + healthcare=centre/nurse/community_health_worker And this leaves no room for amenity=healthcare. Can't we just get a rendering for

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging-fr] [Talk-ml] [Talk-sn] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-25 Thread Marc M.
there's an *observation* that this tag has different meanings, from a few blades of grass between 2 streets to a paved surface for the big annual village party. Do you dispute that *statement* ? or do you want to deny it and repeat that only your meaning should be taken into account ? If you use

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Examples at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Discussion moved from talk mailing list as it is clearly about tagging details. Relevant part is quoted so hopefully it is not too confusing. May 25, 2020, 02:45 by a...@thaw.de: > On 25 May 2020, at 01:45, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > >> May 25, 2020, 00:36 by a...@thaw.de: >> >>>

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Daniel Westergren
> > For example around me a "Fire Trail" is tagged as highway=track, and a > "Track" (as in a remote forest/bush walking path) is tagged as > highway=footway/path (probably what you're proposing as "trail". So we need > definitions that can be applied globally regardless of how things are >

Re: [Tagging] Change of wiki page Key:access

2020-05-25 Thread Florimond Berthoux
I have encounter this issue many times : reality vs traffic sign. No vehicle acces to the wood in Paris, except that cyclist go there and that normal. A living street sign on a transit road. Etc. I would like to be able to tag separately the sign/law and the 'on the ground' reality. For the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 25, 2020, 09:47 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 25. May 2020, at 08:54, Colin Smale wrote: >> >> >> 1. Live and let live - OSM has always been a broad church. It might not be >> your hobby, but it is their's. The bar to actively deleting other people's >>

Re: [Tagging] Access tag abuse examples

2020-05-25 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 25, 2020, 11:06 by colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: > > Is there a uniform definition of "motor_vehicle" in terms of its constituent > vehicle classes? Do the constituent classes also have a uniform definition? A > problematic example is "psv" where its status is not simply a function of the >

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 19:44, John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > Javbw > > On May 25, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > > We do have that: `sac_scale=hiking` > > > And that is a good example of bad tagging I want to correct. > > There are more people

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread John Willis via Tagging
Javbw > On May 25, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > >> We do have that: `sac_scale=hiking` And that is a good example of bad tagging I want to correct. There are more people walking local wilderness trails with their dog in a single day than all “backpackers” on earth in a year.

Re: [Tagging] Access tag abuse examples

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 10:39, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 01:48:20AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > >> Wrong tagging is not interesting by itself. >> >> I was looking for real-world situation where >> >> (1) there is some seemingly good overcomplicated tagging >>

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-25 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 5/25/20 3:42 AM, Warin wrote: You will need to be very clear what a 'common' is and how it is different from other tags such as amenity=marketplace, leisure=park The defining characteristics are: being open to public, not designated for a specific purpose, not landscaped (or that would

Re: [Tagging] Access tag abuse examples

2020-05-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 01:48:20AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > Wrong tagging is not interesting by itself. > > I was looking for real-world situation where > > (1) there is some seemingly good overcomplicated tagging > (2) there is a good and simpler replacement The

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hola, On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 08:52:21AM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > 1. Live and let live - OSM has always been a broad church. It might not > be your hobby, but it is their's. The bar to actively deleting other > people's work should be set very high indeed. I subscribe to this aswell. As

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. May 2020, at 08:54, Colin Smale wrote: > > 1. Live and let live - OSM has always been a broad church. It might not be > your hobby, but it is their's. The bar to actively deleting other people's > work should be set very high indeed. > +1 I completely subscribe

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. May 2020, at 07:06, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > It is still considered acceptable to map abandoned railways, where the old > railway grade remains, even though the metal rails have been removed. As a side note these are “dismantled” railways, while abandoned

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Phake Nick
I personally think such should still be tagged as long as the space, or the right of way, still remain, but not when it have been completely removed, integrated into surrounding area, and redeveloped, unless traces or marks of either the remain of the rail system itself or the space previous used

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-25 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-25 07:03, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > This was originally sent to the Talk mailing list, but it is better if it is > discussed on the Tagging mailing list: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > I agree that razed, completely demolished railways, where all traces of