Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-08-01 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 8/1/20 12:02, Paul Johnson wrote: > For the way: > > name=Humble-Huffman Road > ref=FM 1960 Oops. I got the name wrong, it's Humble Westfield Road, and it only exists in OSM data because I haven't yet surveyed to be sure it's not signed. I'm pretty sure none of the current signs use this

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 13:12, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Assuming that NPR is not geo-restricted to the US: > > > https://www.npr.org/2020/07/09/889562040/supreme-court-rules-that-about-half-of-oklahoma-is-indian-land > Thanks, Tod! Going to be interesting to see where this goes in the future.

Re: [Tagging] RFC: service=? for all highway=service (service=parking needed, primarily, I think)

2020-08-01 Thread Jmapb
On 8/1/2020 8:40 PM, David Dean wrote: Hi everyone, I'm interested in proposing and/or documenting existing tagging approaches of the wiki to ensure that all highway=service ways can have a service=? associated tag. Hi David -- My feeling is that often highway=service, without a service=*

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 12:22, Clifford Snow wrote: > > The agreed upon tag for reservations is boundary=aboriginal_lands. It's > used extensively in the US, Including the Mohawk Nation and across the > Saint Lawrence River in Canada. We don't have consensus on how to tag off > reservation land

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 6:09 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Clay Smalley >> wrote: >> >>> Chiming in as another settler. I really wish we had more Natives active >>> on OSM contributing their cultural knowledge.

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-01 Thread Warin
On 31/7/20 12:42 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: In Indonesia, Costa Rica, Peru and Mexico, it is common to find 30cm kerbs in older neighborhoods. In Nicaragua there were some that were at least 45 cm high, in Leon or Granada. Tropical countries with heavy rainfall often do this to avoid

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Clay Smalley wrote: > >> Chiming in as another settler. I really wish we had more Natives active >> on OSM contributing their cultural knowledge. What could we be doing >> different in the future to welcome and

[Tagging] RFC: service=? for all highway=service (service=parking needed, primarily, I think)

2020-08-01 Thread David Dean
Hi everyone, I'm interested in proposing and/or documenting existing tagging approaches of the wiki to ensure that all highway=service ways can have a service=? associated tag. Having done, so I'm planning on resurrecting https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/issues/808 to help people get

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 2:28 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Clay Smalley wrote: > >> >> So I think the current tagging makes sense. Though I wonder if places >> like these qualify as disputed territory. After all, the US and Canada have >> a nation-to-nation relationship

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-01 Thread Paul Norman via Tagging
On 2020-08-01 9:26 a.m., Alan Mackie wrote: Perhaps I am an overly literal follower of the wiki, but I had always assumed the coastline should continue inland as far as the tide continues to be noticeable. Mediterranean mapping might be an issue, but elsewhere I think this is fairly clear?

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM Clay Smalley wrote: > Chiming in as another settler. I really wish we had more Natives active on > OSM contributing their cultural knowledge. What could we be doing different > in the future to welcome and engage them in our community? > Outreach to tribal GIS

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Clay Smalley
Chiming in as another settler. I really wish we had more Natives active on OSM contributing their cultural knowledge. What could we be doing different in the future to welcome and engage them in our community? On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:28 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > Both the US and Canada consider

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 2:25 PM Clifford Snow > wrote: > >> After some digging, it appears that Saint Regis Mohawk Indian Territory >> is in OSM. Just across the border, on a Saint Lawrence River island, is the >> Akwesasne 59 First

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 at 14:24, Clifford Snow wrote: > What I find interesting is that the Canadian Border Crossing is located on > the North side of the Saint Lawrence River while the US crossing station is > located on the South side of the river. It seems to imply that the Akwesasne > Nation

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - kerb=regular

2020-08-01 Thread Supaplex
Hey all, As already mentioned on this list I intend to add the tag kerb=regular to explicitly distinguish common standard height kerbs/curbs from kerb=raised. Proposal, information and further discussion can be found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/kerb%3Dregular For

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 2:25 PM Clifford Snow wrote: > After some digging, it appears that Saint Regis Mohawk Indian Territory is > in OSM. Just across the border, on a Saint Lawrence River island, is the > Akwesasne 59 First Nations tribe is also in OSM. According to Wikipedia [1] > the Mohawk

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 17:20, Alan Mackie wrote: > > I don't know how I'd map this. Do you have to pass through border checkpoints > when you enter or leave the area? around here, no, but neither are there border checkpoints at the border of the main territory, you just

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Clifford Snow
After some digging, it appears that Saint Regis Mohawk Indian Territory is in OSM. Just across the border, on a Saint Lawrence River island, is the Akwesasne 59 First Nations tribe is also in OSM. According to Wikipedia [1] the Mohawk consider their territory to be a single nation, with no border

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-01 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 31 July 2020, Andy Townsend wrote: > > For what it's worth, neither extreme position looks the best answer > to me - looking at the salinity change between river to ocean at > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0307904X07000716 > (see >

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-01 Thread Jez Nicholson
Yes, and no. It gets tricky. Look at the Thames, which is tidal up to Teddington Lock, but you wouldn't really say that Richmond is "on the coast" now would you? But for flood risk assessment it is in danger of tidal/coastal flooding. On Sat, 1 Aug 2020, 17:27 Alan Mackie, wrote: > > > On Sat,

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-08-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:19 AM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 7/31/20 14:29, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Name is only the name. Names are not refs. For the above example, > > ref=NY 214, noname=yes would be the right way. > > How about the stretch of FM 1960 from I-45 or so going east into Humble? >

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-01 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 at 07:21, Paul Norman via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > On 2020-07-31 8:21 a.m., Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 26/05/2020 00:20, Alan Mackie wrote: > > Has this edit war stabilised? > > Apparently it has been blocking coastline updates across the whole world > for

Re: [Tagging] maxweightrating [was: Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)]

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 16:57, Jan Michel wrote: > > Sorry for not being more clear: There is no connotation of a "maximum" or > "allowable limit" in neither the English nor the German term. > "gross weight" or "Gesamtgewicht" is just the current total weight, without > any

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Alan Mackie
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 19:56, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:07 PM Alan Mackie wrote: > >> Many if not most of the entities mentioned in this discussion as being >> candidates for "admin level above country" do have geographic reach >> encompassing multiple countries, but are

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

2020-08-01 Thread David Marchal via Tagging
To Jan Michel (I did not have your mail, as I unsubscribed of the list mails to avoid cluttering my mailbox): the goal of my request is not to assist routing software in finding a route, but to help navigation software to display the destination signs as they are on the ground. If a destination

Re: [Tagging] maxweightrating [was: Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)]

2020-08-01 Thread Jan Michel
On 01.08.20 16:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: No, "gross" refers to the German "Gesamt" as in "total weight of vehicle, driver and load". The precise translation of "gross weight" is "Bruttogewicht" or "Gesamtgewicht". that’s what I said, maximum payload included Sorry for not being more

Re: [Tagging] maxweightrating [was: Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)]

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 16:21, Jan Michel wrote: > >> which implies empty mass plus maximum mass of payload. > > > No, "gross" refers to the German "Gesamt" as in "total weight of vehicle, > driver and load". The precise translation of "gross weight" is > "Bruttogewicht" or

Re: [Tagging] maxweightrating [was: Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)]

2020-08-01 Thread Jan Michel
On 01.08.20 15:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 1. Aug 2020, at 15:27, Jan Michel wrote: General terminology point of view: As I understand it, the term 'rating' already refers to the allowed limit. Note that it's called 'gross weight rating', but not 'maximum gross weight rating'. I guess

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

2020-08-01 Thread Jan Michel
Hi, On 01.08.20 15:48, David Marchal via Tagging wrote: Hm, it seems a smart way to manage such cases; I could add the restrictions on the relation, like hazmat:water=no or maxweight=12. I assume that, in such cases, I must create a destination_sign relation for unrestricted destinations, and

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

2020-08-01 Thread David Marchal via Tagging
Hm, it seems a smart way to manage such cases; I could add the restrictions on the relation, like hazmat:water=no or maxweight=12. I assume that, in such cases, I must create a destination_sign relation for unrestricted destinations, and one for each destination restriction (if there are

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-08-01 Thread Jmapb
On 8/1/2020 12:51 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Similarly, if you ask someone the name of the road in California with ref="CA 96", they will tell you "Highway 96" or perhaps "The river road". They won't say "Nah, it doesn't have a name, just a State highway number." So in that situation, how

Re: [Tagging] maxweightrating [was: Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)]

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 15:27, Jan Michel wrote: > > General terminology point of view: > As I understand it, the term 'rating' already refers to the allowed limit. > Note that it's called 'gross weight rating', but not 'maximum gross weight > rating'. I guess the “gross”

[Tagging] maxweightrating [was: Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)]

2020-08-01 Thread Jan Michel
On 01.08.20 15:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 1. Aug 2020, at 11:28, Jan Michel wrote: The access tag is 'maxweightrating' like 'maxweight' or 'maxheight'. In the value of conditional tags there is no 'max' because there we refer to actual values and not limits. We use 'weight', 'height'

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 11:28, Jan Michel wrote: > > The access tag is 'maxweightrating' like 'maxweight' or 'maxheight'. In the > value of conditional tags there is no 'max' because there we refer to actual > values and not limits. We use 'weight', 'height' and hence also >

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised - Proposal

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 12:36, Supaplex wrote: > > I wrote a proposal for it: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/kerb%3Dregular > > How should I proceed - can I already set the status to "Proposed"? Do I have > to write a separate email for RFC or is

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised - Proposal

2020-08-01 Thread Supaplex
I wrote a proposal for it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/kerb%3Dregular How should I proceed - can I already set the status to "Proposed"? Do I have to write a separate email for RFC or is this thread sufficient? I hope for your comments - greets Alex Am 01.08.20 um

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

2020-08-01 Thread Jan Michel
On 31.07.20 21:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 31. Jul 2020, at 18:01, Jan Michel wrote: I'm not familiar with French rules, but is it the actual weight or the allowed total weight of the vehicle that matters? If it's the latter, you can use 'weightrating' instead of 'weight'. shouldn’t

Re: [Tagging] Conditional destinations (hgv, bicycle, maxweight…)

2020-08-01 Thread Andrew Harvey
While you're talking about the destination tag, I think when using a destination_sign relation it's best to apply the mode as eg. bicycle=designated, eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/11345354#map=18/-33.82573/151.21308 for https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/VIq-OPTiw0BVI7gqdLR-iA On Fri,

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 09:39, Supaplex wrote: > > I felt that this list more agreed rather than opposed. bring it to voting. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-01 Thread Supaplex
There was no change in the OSM database, so the project is not affected. kerb=regular anyway is already in use but undocumented. Current wheelchair/mobily projects should anyway consider this existing tagging. As I described it needs clarity in the differentiation between raised and regular kerbs

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Aug 2020, at 09:08, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Please revert this wiki change. > The kerb hight values have been used in at least one project documenting > wheelchair accessibility. I have reverted the edits now, please create a proposal for edits like this, that

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-01 Thread Volker Schmidt
Please revert this wiki change. The kerb hight values have been used in at least one project documenting wheelchair accessibility. On Sat, 1 Aug 2020, 08:53 Supaplex, wrote: > As an result of this diskussion (no strong opposition, some general > remarks, some endorsement) I added "kerb=regular"

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-08-01 Thread Supaplex
As an result of this diskussion (no strong opposition, some general remarks, some endorsement) I added "kerb=regular" to the tagging example list in the wiki and adjusted hight descriptions (with values discussed here). If there is further need for discussion and changes, it could be carried out

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-01 Thread Paul Norman via Tagging
On 2020-07-31 8:21 a.m., Andy Townsend wrote: On 26/05/2020 00:20, Alan Mackie wrote: Has this edit war stabilised? Apparently it has been blocking coastline updates across the whole world for /months /now. https://osmdata.openstreetmap.de/data/land-polygons.html