Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread OSM
Am 15.10.2020 um 22:18 schrieb Emvee via Tagging: This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (if we like this or not is a different question, but it's

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:46 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 13. Oct 2020, at 23:42, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a > crossing node *and* a crossing way. > > > > I thought the standard was highway=crossing on the nodes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Objects generating audible cues

2020-10-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 21:35, bkil wrote: > Surely you could always refine tagging according to your needs (like > with dog:species=Rottweiler). No, I wasn't talking about the species, but about the "level" of sound heard. A blind person can't tell if that's a Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Pit

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Emvee via Tagging
Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk together with pedestrians and cross road using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are allowed but on crossing with road oneis supposed

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Emvee via Tagging
Also, what "to mean bicyle=no in node context" is exactly supposed to mean? (I am guess based on your earlier claim, but I am not sure whatever I guessed correctly) In node context means that the router only looks at the data belong to the node to decide what costs to add. See also the end

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Emvee via Tagging
This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice (if we like this or not is a different question, but it's established tagging, and the wiki is supposed to describe

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Proposal of electricity=* and electricity:origin

2020-10-15 Thread Lukas Richert
(Fixed subject line for RFC) Hello all, after the comments on the confusing nature of the word 'source' in my original proposal of 'electricity:source', I have now changed the name to 'electricity:origin' as suggested on the discussion page. Furthermore, I would like to revive and extend the

Re: [Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-15 Thread Volker Schmidt
I don't know what the routers need, to be honest. I have adopted the approach happily because of the frequent two-stage approach. First the main road is mapped with foot/bicycle crossings as nodes , and at a later stage someone else may add the foot/cycleway details - I did not occur to me that

[Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 10/13/2020 6:30 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 17:41 Volker Schmidt mailto:vosc...@gmail.com>> wrote: I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a crossing node _and_ a crossing way. This was described as an option on the

Re: [Tagging] railway=station areas

2020-10-15 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 15/10/2020 11:01, OSM wrote: Am 10.10.2020 um 00:35 schrieb Dave F via Tagging: I edited a copy of the diagram (A-simple-station.svg) of a station layout, primarily to remove any references to PTv2 tags, a completely independent, duplicating tagging schema, irrelevant to anything to do

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Oct 15, 2020, 14:58 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: > > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 23:44, Volker Schmidt <> vosc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> May I remind my dear mapper friends, that tags are just that: tags. From the >> database point of view these are just couples of arbitrarily chosen, >>

[Tagging] Proposal of electricity=* and electricity:origin

2020-10-15 Thread Lukas Richert
Hello all, after the comments on the confusing nature of the word 'source' in my original proposal of 'electricity:source', I have now changed the name to 'electricity:origin' as suggested on the discussion page. Furthermore, I would like to revive and extend the proposal of the key

Re: [Tagging] railway=station areas

2020-10-15 Thread Dave F via Tagging
Please send all messages to the public forum Martin. It was a post in reply to the topic. Unlike a few train spotters in Germany I'm not scared to have all discussions be public & a matter for record. Please don't dictate over events on which you have no authority. DaveF. On 15/10/2020

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-15 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 23:44, Volker Schmidt wrote: > May I remind my dear mapper friends, that tags are just that: tags. From > the database point of view these are just couples of arbitrarily chosen, > character strings. OSM uses a convention to make it easier to memorize > these strings by

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-15 Thread Volker Schmidt
May I remind my dear mapper friends, that tags are just that: tags. From the database point of view these are just couples of arbitrarily chosen, character strings. OSM uses a convention to make it easier to memorize these strings by using GB-English terms for them, but, I repeat that is just a

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
15 paź 2020, 09:42 od dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Imagine I would add hgv=no or motorcycle=no tags to pedestrian crossings > Is there a case where hgv use sidewalk  together with pedestrians and cross road  using crossing shared with a pedestrians? Is there a case of sidewalk where hgv are

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-15 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 09:38, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I fear in „human“ there is still a man, even in every woman there‘s a man, > as in female there is a male. Overall it looks as if English is not > suitable for gender neutral language, everything refers back to men. I propose to use

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Objects generating audible cues

2020-10-15 Thread bkil
Surely you could always refine tagging according to your needs (like with dog:species=Rottweiler). Although, I think the exact species of canines could change much more often due to replacement and/or moving. You probably also need to be an expert on the topic to tell apart hundreds of purebred

Re: [Tagging] railway=station areas

2020-10-15 Thread OSM
Am 10.10.2020 um 00:35 schrieb Dave F via Tagging: I edited a copy of the diagram (A-simple-station.svg) of a station layout, primarily to remove any references to PTv2 tags, a completely independent, duplicating tagging schema, irrelevant to anything to do with the railway=station tag.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

2020-10-15 Thread nathan case
Clare: this is a good discussion to have. It seems as though the emergence of rideshare services is still being addressed at various legal levels but, at least in the UK, rideshare vehicles are not classed taxis and so are not ordinarily entitled to use bus/taxi lanes. If situations exist

Re: [Tagging] railway=station areas

2020-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Oct 2020, at 15:44, Dave F via Tagging > wrote: > > Please send messages to forum, John. from where are you citing here? A private email? Can we please discuss publicly here, and keep private discussion private? Thank you, Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-15 Thread Robert Delmenico
Good point Martin. Someone else has suggested artificial as another alternative. I'm open to all feedback at this stage and happy if anyone wants to add onto the proposal the pros and cons of that's allowed. Rob On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, 7:38 pm Martin Koppenhoefer, wrote: > > > sent from a phone >

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Oct 2020, at 02:57, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > I also understand that generally speaking the use of man_made is commonly > accepted as a gender neutral term, but in reality it has been adapted that > way due to past practices of gender bias. I fear in „human“

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

2020-10-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Oct 2020, at 23:42, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a > crossing node and a crossing way. I thought the standard was highway=crossing on the nodes where they cross the road and highway=footway with