Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Takeaway drink shops

Hi Tan, Just wanted to say thank you for all your work on the takeaway drinks proposal. I know it takes a lot of effort putting together a detailed proposal and addressing feedback. Personally I think it was a great proposal which would have improved the OSM ecosystem, so quite disappointed it

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

21 Oct 2020, 22:00 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > On 16/10/2020 09:31, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> Oct 15, 2020, 22:18 by >> tagging@openstreetmap.org>> : >> This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

Couple of other versions of restricted parking Customer's only or else: https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0752577,153.4231834,3a,41.8y,100.24h,86.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swWpsJAcwaHpNkJm8KuoXFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 & customers only with a time limit per day!

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On 16/10/2020 09:31, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Oct 15, 2020, 22:18 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: This recent wiki change by Emvee is in my view not helpful, or even misleading, as it does discourage a wide-spread tagging practice

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

sent from a phone > On 21. Oct 2020, at 10:59, stevea wrote: > What I mean by towing_penalty=yes is that it is POSSIBLE that you might get > towed if you exceed the maxstay (or a semantic otherwise > interpretable-from-the-tags). What I mean by towing_penalty=no is that the > particular

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 21/10/2020 00.57, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > The word 'Man' in the Old English sense 'mann' had the primary meaning of >"adult male human" > Citation needed My degree is in Old English (and the other early medieval languages of the British Isles) and I can assure

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

I was referring to the fact people may start wanting to change other tags, I was not talking about language changing.Changing any tags at all in an unnecessary (from a mapping point of view) way I disagree on, but we should at least make it easy to do if it’s going to happen again. From: Phake

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:00, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 21/10/2020 00.57, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > Also: > > > The word 'Man' in the Old English sense 'mann' had the primary meaning > of "adult male human" > > Citation needed, particularly as the other thread contains a statement > which

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

在 2020年10月21日週三 17:37，Oliver Simmons 寫道： > Agreed, if we are doing this once, we better have a way to do it again as > doing it once guarantees that it will happen for another tag in the future. > > > > Changing in inside OSM and the OSM Wiki is the easier part though, it’s > informing and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

On 21/10/2020 00.57, Robert Delmenico wrote: 'her generic man' has been fixed - it was a typo. now reads: "confirmed that when people read or hear the generic version of 'man', people form mental pictures of males" Citation needed, especially as you imply one but don't (AFAICT?) supply a

Re: [Tagging] OSM changes the world | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

On 21/10/2020 09.34, Tobias Zwick wrote: You seem to defend that OSM should be used as a tool to change language, for politically motivated reasons in this case. Indeed; we should not forget that the ultimate motivation here is *very much* political. (Note: as I stated elsewhere, that may not

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

On 20/10/2020 15.22, Justin Tracey wrote: On 2020-10-20 12:13 p.m., Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 19/10/2020 16.01, Justin Tracey wrote: It's the same reason we want discourse on lists like this one to be friendly and amicable: it should be obvious to anyone outside looking in that contributing

Re: [Tagging] OSM changes the world | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

The purpose of OSM is to **map** the world. If this brings about positive change such as the things you mentioned (any many more), that's good and that is the reason why many people contribute to such a free wiki world map. This is a huge difference to your statement! You seem to defend that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

sent from a phone > On 21. Oct 2020, at 06:59, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > "confirmed that when people read or hear the generic version of 'man', people > form mental pictures of males" yes, but it does not mean that people think of men when they read “mankind” or “man_made” or

Re: [Tagging] OSM changes the world | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

Oct 21, 2020, 09:49 by r...@technomancy.org: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a tool >> to change language, especially if done at >> cost of making more complicated for >> mappers. AFAIK term "man made" and it's

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

On Wednesday, 21 October 2020, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 20:20, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > > > Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

This is correct, the biggest example is the highway=* values. There are few exception to this rule where using British English could cause confusing.e.g. sidewalk, this is a more American term, but is used because “pavement” (what we call them in Britain) can have multiple meanings.  From: Phake

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 20:20, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where the first hour is free. > > There is some more information available

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

disc appears at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane with proposed tag a parking:condition:*:maxstay=2 h with * replace by left/right/both depending on side Oct 21, 2020, 11:04 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: > > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico <>

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:10 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:32, stevea > wrote: > > In California, a common (not quite frequent, certainly not always) > > arrangement at malls, supermarkets and other places with parking > > lots (large and small) is a sign that reads "you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

在 2020年10月21日週三 15:46，Rory McCann 寫道： > (I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype) > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > (1) I never understood "man made" as > > > "made by

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

Agreed, if we are doing this once, we better have a way to do it again as doing it once guarantees that it will happen for another tag in the future. Changing in inside OSM and the OSM Wiki is the easier part though, it’s informing and getting all of the software to recognise the new tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

On 2020-10-21 10:59, Robert Delmenico wrote: > I'll do some more research before the vote goes ahead. I've read quite a bit > of research around gendered language since first mentioning this idea. > > I'll be sure to list them in the proposal but feel free to send through any > sources that

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico > wrote: > > Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where the first hour is > > free. > > There is some more information available here: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:32, stevea wrote: > In California, a common (not quite frequent, certainly not always) > arrangement at malls, supermarkets and other places with parking lots > (large and small) is a sign that reads "you can park here for three hours, > but after that we have the right

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico wrote: > Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where the first hour is free. > > There is some more information available here: > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

I'll do some more research before the vote goes ahead. I've read quite a bit of research around gendered language since first mentioning this idea. I'll be sure to list them in the proposal but feel free to send through any sources that are both for and against the arguments I have raised. I'm

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

On Oct 21, 2020, at 1:43 AM, Peter Elderson wrote: > towing_penalty=no means your car is towed away for free? In Nederland, towing > always comes with a penalty, even if you don't want your car back. > > Maybe a tag for consequences should be introduced. I suggest or_else=cargone. What I mean

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

21 Oct 2020, 09:43 by r...@technomancy.org: > (I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype) > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >> > (1) I never understood "man made" as >> >

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

towing_penalty=no means your car is towed away for free? In Nederland, towing always comes with a penalty, even if you don't want your car back. Maybe a tag for consequences should be introduced. I suggest or_else=cargone. Best, Peter Elderson > Op 21 okt. 2020 om 10:32 heeft stevea het >

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where the first hour is free. There is some more information available here: https://www.ballarat.vic.gov.au/city/parking/smarter-parking-ballarat#:~:text=Your%20first%20hour%20of%20parking,the%20Central%20Square%20car%20park%20 . Regards, Rob On

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

In California, a common (not quite frequent, certainly not always) arrangement at malls, supermarkets and other places with parking lots (large and small) is a sign that reads "you can park here for three hours, but after that we have the right to tow your car away." (Sometimes punctuated with

[Tagging] OSM changes the world | Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a tool > to change language, especially if done at > cost of making more complicated for > mappers. AFAIK term "man made" and it's > meaning remains standard and is well > understood The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

(I broke my collarbone, so I'm typing one handed and can mistype) On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 9:39 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > (1) I never understood "man made" as > > "made by males". > > (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, at 6:25 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > (1) I never understood "man made" as > "made by males". > (4) I would prefer to not use OSM as a tool > to change language, especially if done at > cost of making more complicated for > mappers. AFAIK term "man made" and it's

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

I have the opposite conclusion about fee=yes/no. These are free-to-use short-term car parks that have a clause to prevent people from 'misusing' them for office parking, etc. I would expect a free car park to be fee=no + a warning of charge after long stay. On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 00:01 Andrew

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Artificial

"Phase 4: All man_made tags to be removed 2031-01-01 00:00 UTC+0" I think that is as reasonable as it could be. Yves Le 21 octobre 2020 04:46:34 GMT+02:00, Robert Delmenico a écrit : >*Link to proposal page:* >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/artificial >*Definition*: A