Sorry to dredge this up again, but what seems to have happened is:
Some edits to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names by
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgo_eiu were reverted
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2368644&oldid=2351644
and there was discussion on this list at
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-August/065130.html
. Before the discussion went off-topic, there was broad agreement with
the revert.
They then made essentially the same edit again. In particular
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2371288&oldid=2368814
changes "Avoid Transliteration" (which is the OSM norm) to
"Transliteration" (which is not).
It would of course be entirely reasonable to note that when a particular
language has multiple orthographies that that should to be taken into
account (see for example the ongoing discussion at
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/multilingual-names-in-bulgaria/98762
about how names should be handled in Bulgaria). However, most languages
only have one form of writing in very wide use, so this should at best
be a footnote or a bracketed comment on the main page.
A new OSM editor should not be confused by the content of something as
basic as the "names" page in the OSM wiki. Currently, they probably will be.
I believe that what needs to happen is essentially a revert of the
changes at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Names&type=revision&diff=2371288&oldid=2368814
, whilst ensuring that the "some countries" paragraph at the end covers
those rarer cases where transliteration is the norm.
It'd be great if someone who is invested in the value of the OSM wiki
would make the relevant edit*, rather than me, who thinks that it is
(following edits such as this) quite often unhelpful and unfortunately
sometimes best ignored. However, I'll do it if no one else will.
Best Regards,
Andy
(for the avoidance of any doubt, writing in an entirely personal capacity)
* like Harry Wood did with this section, after significant consultation,
back in 2014
On 12/08/2022 12:44, Clay Smalley wrote:
Regardless of the topic, personal attacks are not necessary. You don't
build consensus by publicly shaming other contributors.
-Clay
On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 4:15 AM bgo_eiu (OSM mailing list email) via
Tagging <tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
The topic at hand is an update I made to the wiki. Anyone is free
to discuss this on the Wiki, where this discussion belongs.
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------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, August 11th, 2022 at 5:08 PM, Richard Fairhurst
<rich...@systemed.net> wrote:
bgo_eiu wrote:
> I don't think many people have ever agreed with your whining
> on here. I notice people complain about your Wiki edits on
> Slack regularly.
This is not how we conduct ourselves on here. Please desist.
Richard
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