Re: [Tagging] RFC: service=? for all highway=service (service=parking needed, primarily, I think)

2020-08-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 18:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Proposal: service=access_collector > Sorry, means nothing, at least to me? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 13:12, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Assuming that NPR is not geo-restricted to the US: > > > https://www.npr.org/2020/07/09/889562040/supreme-court-rules-that-about-half-of-oklahoma-is-indian-land > Thanks, Tod! Going to be interesting to see where this goes in the future.

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 12:22, Clifford Snow wrote: > > The agreed upon tag for reservations is boundary=aboriginal_lands. It's > used extensively in the US, Including the Mohawk Nation and across the > Saint Lawrence River in Canada. We don't have consensus on how to tag off > reservation land

Re: [Tagging] RFC: service=? for all highway=service (service=parking needed, primarily, I think)

2020-08-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 at 05:49, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > So what all these have in common is that they are not public roads not > intended for through-traffic. They are all on private/public properties. > So maybe they could be summarized under service=property, with a > description like "roads on

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 07:45, Paul Allen wrote: > > Building for the house, node for the workplace. Micromappers will be upset > unless you place the workplace node precisely, of course, but you probably > have never been inside so don't know. That's assuming it still is being > used as a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-07-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 19:36, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: > > The proposal would introduce a new tag (maybe amenity=drinks or > amenity=takeout_drinks or what). This kind of places sell beverages mostly > with takeaway paper or plastic cup, people can drink in their home or > office after buying. > >

Re: [Tagging] Distinguishing closed office spaces and client service locations?

2020-07-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 00:05, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > I think this makes sense also. To a previous point, I take > access=customers to mean someone intending to visit the associated > location, whether that's a store, a church, a doctor's office, ... > > BTW, I've used access=customers for

Re: [Tagging] Distinguishing closed office spaces and client service locations?

2020-07-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 00:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I was thinking about space that explicitly welcomes walk-ins and exists > solely to > handle them (office of an energy company - handling issues such as > resolving > billing mistakes, handling

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 00:33, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > - Semi-detached house: A set of row houses with exactly two connected > units. (IMO this is a somewhat stupid distinction likely created by > realtors for marketing purposes.) > & for us, that's a duplex eg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 19:19, Michael Montani wrote: > > Tag: natural = bare_ground (but many other options are open to discussion). > Description: "An area covered by soil, without any vegetation" > I agree that we need some way to tag areas like those in Somalia that you posted, but I have

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 23:33, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 23:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> but regardless of that, I'd like to know what an >> >>> Independent, ‘Australian-style’, or artisan cafes >>> >> Australian-sty

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 08:07, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 22:54, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> Something to do with kangaroos, is my guess. >>> >> >> Check 1:53 & a few seconds after! :-) >> > > You seem to have for

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 23:20, Paul Allen wrote: > Except we don't have seating=yes. We can differentiate > with takeaway=yes|no|only. However, apart from the chip shop and a > Greggs, all > the fast food joints near me that I can recollect are takeaway=only. > But then how do we handle food

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-06-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 23:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > We have 15000 addresses such as addr:housename=3 ( > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VBS ) > That search is producing an error for me, once over Australia & then again for Western Europe: " This query

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-06-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 12:26, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > The query only returns a count of how many elements it found. If you want > to map them you'll need a modified version: > > http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/VDp > Thanks! Graeme ___ Tagging mailing

[Tagging] Open-air stage

2020-07-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Trying to tag this outdoor stage: https://hota.com.au/hota-precinct/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/-28.00213/153.41696 (Best image is off Maxar Premium if it doesn't come through?) The photo is of the outdoor stage (the actual stage itself is behind the closed doors), with a roof over

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 19:22, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: I've got to say that personally, I don't think there's a need for a separate "speciality" tag, but regardless of that, I'd like to know what an > Independent, ‘Australian-style’, or artisan cafes >

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks! Graeme On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 at 08:13, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Sorry Graeme, that should have said American style, where the waitress is > refilling mugs from a carafe > ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 14:31, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > But should rowboat access restrictions be under this key > canoe=yes/no/designated, or are they under boat=yes/no/designated - or > something else? > As a boatie, I would say that rowboats should be a boat, while canoes & kayaks (&

Re: [Tagging] Mobile phone accessories

2020-06-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 04:37, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I would expect a "shop=mobile_phone" to sell mobile phones, so your first > option of "shop=mobile_phone_accessories" is best, though > "shop=phone_accessories" is also a good option. > Shop=phone_accessories could also mean accessories

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 08:59, Paul Allen wrote: > Harder, as somebody else pointed out, is a McDonalds with seats. It's > fast food, but it has seats. I'd map it as a cafe with takeaway=yes since > we don't appear to have the option for fast food with seating=yes. > But McDonalds call

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Don't know if it's only an Aussie thing (yet again! :-)), but we have (at least) one franchise of shops called Boost Juice https://www.boostjuice.com.au/, which only serve varieties of fruit juice & smoothies. Every one of them that I have seen are kiosks inside shopping centres, with no seating

Re: [Tagging] Milk Churn Stands

2020-06-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Certainly milk churns in Australia - at least to this Older English Speaker! :-), even though TBMK they are no longer actually used. Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 11:31, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 02:10, Mike Thompson wrote: > >> I don't think anyone is saying that tracks can't have additional uses, >> just that one of those uses has to be forestry, agriculture (and maybe >> mineral extraction/energy). >> > > They

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 05:47, Tod Fitch wrote: > > “Greenway” [1] was a term unknown to me too > I only found out when I looked at the link you provided that we have "foreshoreways", & one most prominently mentioned is only about 2k from where I live!

Re: [Tagging] Features underwater (inside reservoirs)

2020-06-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 04:24, Cornelis wrote: > > • The bridge does not fall dry every autumn but* only in hot years with > little rain*, thus in the concrete situation seasonal seems not the best > tag from my point of view. Intermittent is more strictly bound to water, so > that won't apply

Re: [Tagging] Do we map pedestrian crossings twice?

2020-06-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 06:30, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > Sorry - I should have been clearer on #3. The red dot is a validation > warning that the two ways intersect, but it isn't marked as a crossing. > (Not having a go at you, Clifford, just using your comment as an example! :-)) "Recently"

Re: [Tagging] Adding man_made=spoil_heap to the Map Features page?

2020-06-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Or Australia! & is there any reason *not* to add things to the map features page? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Adding man_made=spoil_heap to the Map Features page?

2020-06-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Yep, there's a lot on it, & it takes a while to open. But there's also no reason not to make use of it! The people on this list are, I would say, well & truly towards the more experienced end of the OSM spectrum, so you may not use it (although I still do when I can't remember exactly what I

Re: [Tagging] How to map "piers" on land?

2020-07-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& for one that IMHO is quite correctly tagged as a pier over it's full length: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/18776776#map=17/-27.93856/153.43009 https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10370420-3x2-700x467.jpg Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-07-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 01:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > > We are still left with the situation where an ephemeral waterway fans out > over the desert and disappears. We need some sort of tagging to indicate > this is not a mistake and I’ve not seen a tag or value come up in this > discussion that has

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
thcare= seems a better option. > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > I've just had a hip replacement done, so saw the orthopaedic surgeon this > week for a follow up. While I was waiting, his receptionist took a call, & > had to tell the caller th

Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

2020-11-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks everybody for your comments, but, to me, none of them really seem to cover the situation, although stilts=yes seems to come closest, although it also sounds rather strange! Going back to my OP, I notice that I mentioned tagging the area as level=1, thinking about it, maybe that should be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Not wanting to create a bunfight, but just reading the news, & wondering if this sort of thing should be tagged as a hazardous area? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-27/ethiopia-to-launch-final-phase-of-offensive-in-tigray-region/12926606 Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 14:28, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > Assuming that the boundary of that area is reasonably permanent, my first > reaction is that this could be described by military=danger_area. However, > that tag requires landuse=military as the primary tag, which probably isn't >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 06:41, ael via Tagging wrote: > > There are a surprising number of abandoned open mineshafts in the far > West of England which are a hazard, if not an extreme hazard. But if it's already (presumably) tagged with =mineshaft (+ =abandoned?), does it also need to be tagged

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Sorry, just read further through the e-mail list & saw that this has already been covered Thanks Graeme On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 08:40, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > But if it's already (presumably) tagged with =mineshaft (+ =abandoned?), > does it also need to be tagge

Re: [Tagging] surface=boardwalk? is it duplicate of surface=wood?

2020-11-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 09:22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Is there some value in surface=boardwalk tag? > > It seems to be a duplicate of surface=wood. > Fine distinction I know, but to me =wood would suggest a solid, unbroken floor eg dance floor or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-11-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 23:27, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > Comment is requested on the proposal "hazard", which describes hazardous > or dangerous features. This tagging was first proposed in 2007, and I have > adopted the proposal with permission from the original author. Thanks to > the

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Hazards - Pedestrian hazard

2020-12-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 04:14, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I cannot remember having seen such signage for places where cyclists are > using the road. > Doing it to you again! :-)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks everybody for positive comments! On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 20:40, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > But maybe (or amenity=marine_recsue) would be better > than a brand new key rescue in rescue=marine_rescue tag? > I've been wondering about that overnight?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 15:01, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Please be aware of a couple of other existing tags: > Thanks. Yes I am aware of all those & made reference to the lifeguard tags in the discussion about the Rescue Stations proposal: "The existing lifeguard classifications could either

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Following on from https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-November/056482.html, I've put together a proposal to make some changes & additions under the Emergency key. Please visit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rescue_Stations & have a look. All comments welcome either here

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Following on from https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-November/056482.html, I've also put together a proposal to make some changes to the existing Coast Guard pages. Please visit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Marine_rescue & have a look. All comments welcome either here

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 23:19, Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > I used a way tagged with highway=elevator as the wiki recommends, but this > does not seem supported by any tool (the default editor, the map on > openstreetmap.org, or osmand). > Highway=elevator renders on the main map eg

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 08:33, Guillaume Chauvat wrote: > Yes, but this is a node, not a way. Inclined elevators require a way and > those are not displayed properly. > Sorry, didn't get what you were getting at! Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
You can also get rather philosophical about it as well :-) https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cW9iNszeKWU/WDuxft3rVBI/G70/HHEd7-W84k0tG_gakCs78RXXfoBfREfigCLcB/s1600/falling-rocks-dj-homewrecker.jpg Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (verifiability - frost heave?)

2020-12-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 07:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > This will make it easier to fix problems with mappers who want to add > hazard=curve to every single curve on a long curvy road, or add very > subjective hazard features which cannot be confirmed or denied even when > visiting the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 04:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > you guys are finding real world examples for every weird situation that > nobody expected to even exist. Traffic lights for rock fall somewhere? > No actual traffic lights, but how about a posted No Waiting zone? :-)

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 10:33, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > I fixed that for you, it should just be status=proposed, and the template > does the rest of the magic! > Thanks, Brian! Another one to lock away in memory :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 10:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I have just posted a new proposal re Military Bases: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Military_bases > But when I look at it, it's saying it's in Inactive status so not sure what I've done there?

[Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Following on from comments made in regard to deprecating both emergency= & amenity=coast_guard & replacing them with military=coast_guard: On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 02:01, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > This is probably a US-centric viewpoint, but I note that there is a > general lack of tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 17:13, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > This is an interesting idea. > > But the current proposal only provides a way to tag the military service > branch of a military=base feature (which is usually also landuse=military). > > It might be better if there were a way to tag the

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Brian came up with a suggestion that bases also be tagged with an appropriate admin level (2 / 4) to show at which level of Government they are controlled. Just wondering - I know that the US has State controlled forces eg National Guard, but are there any / many other countries that have forces

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 08:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > military bases might house intelligence facilities which are known and > could be tagged. > They could, if you can identify them, but as mentioned above, should we be? Thanks Graeme ___

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I've now incorporated all (I think?) the comments from the talk page into the proposal, if you'd like to check the wording? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Military_bases Thanks Graeme On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Please visit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rescue_Stations & have a > look. > Thinking about this further, I'm thinking that Rescue Services may be better than Rescue Stations? I've also realised that Stations /

[Tagging] Elevated housing estate

2020-11-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing estate!, that is raised up above ground level? https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.065772,153.3799853,3a,15y,117.51h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_TJvFHJyLff1E4GmiCSjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (with the usual not mapping from Google ...) Just

Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

2020-11-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:20, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Is the whole ground level a parking lot or parking structure, perhaps? > No. It's built right beside a Creek, on a flood-plain (yeah, thanks Council!), so it's done like that so that the apartments are up away from the water the next time

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Hazards - 2 Week Update & RFC Summary

2020-12-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 23:37, Paul Allen wrote: > > Kevin Kenny argued (I think convincingly) that the hazard is fallen, not > falling, rocks. There is a very slight risk that a rock will fall on your > vehicle but the greater risk, by far, is that you will drive into a fallen > rock. > But not

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 134, Issue 130 animal tracks ?

2020-12-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 22:24, Paul Allen wrote: > Here is a videoabout a bridleway. Which is also a footpath (by legal > definition). In fact, > it's also a Byway Open to All Traffic (BOAT). Most of the time it's the > ONLY way to visit Foulnes Island. It's also the most dangerous > path in

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 134, Issue 130 animal tracks ?

2020-12-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 09:11, Paul Allen wrote: > Maybe drop bears, too. > Nah, no trees! Although there are the telephone pole / ladder things (which I assume are markers of some form), but no cover for them to hide in :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 06:54, Yves via Tagging wrote: > Creating a new tag for this is not a bad idea. > Not a bad idea at all, even if just to stop them being marked as paths, but what would you tag them as? Footpaths etc are currently tagged as highway=xxx, which really isn't appropriate for

Re: [Tagging] Defining amenity=coast_guard

2020-11-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 23:29, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I run into https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcoast_guard > and despite that I have basically zero experience with such objects > I am pretty sure that this description (and an old

Re: [Tagging] Rapids (whitewater) on rivers

2020-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 02:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Another argument against use of hazard=* for rapids is that the hazard key > has been used almost always with highway=* features, not waterways. > Here are some examples of tags as "waterway feature" + type=hazard

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 10:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I have just posted a new proposal re Military Bases: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Military_bases > This proposal is also getting close to voting. Precis: *deprecate*: - milita

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
e the military=base tag added. > > How should military=base be defined? > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:44 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 10:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> > >&

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Does each bog & marsh have it's own name, or are just different surfaces inside one big named wetland? Thanks Graeme PS & please don't get frustrated & give up on trying to make progress! On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 02:11, Anders Torger wrote: > Hello, > > I was on this list a while back

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Graeme On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 08:44, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Does each bog & marsh have it's own name, or are just different surfaces > inside one big named wetland? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > PS & please don't get frustrated & give up on trying to make progr

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 08:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > do we really need military_service=army given that these services will > differ according to the country? We can tag operator =United States Army or > “United States Marine Corps” and keep lists in the wiki for standardized > names of

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Once again, thanks everybody for your thoughts & comments! This is great, please keep them coming! On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 17:28, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > I agree, and this can be easily fixed by changing the key to describe what > we are actually specifying: "What military service branch is

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 19:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Which military service are the Italian Carabinieri? The US Marines? > What about the Guardia di Finanza? > Yep, as mentioned previously, there will be a number of fine, fuzzy lines (& yes, both words apply!) to sort out, mainly between

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 07:41, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > >> Services often cross functions; for example, the US Army operates air >>> fields[2]. Tagging this military_service=army would be accurate, but would >>> not convey that this is an air force base, but not an Air Force base. >>> >>>

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 11:42, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > Yes, this makes sense in broad strokes, though some thought is needed as > to the exact set of keys and values would be needed to describe these > things. > Indeed! But we've still got another 10 - 12 days of RFC, so lo's of time :-)

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 17:28, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > There are, in fact, military offices which are not within a > landuse=military area, and there are military=danger_area features which > are not in landuse=military > Offices not on base are possible, but will usually only be recruiting

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 12:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Break - I've just found that there actually are a handful of > club=army_cadets (8), =air_cadets (5) & =sea_cadets (2) already in use, > although all are undocumented, so they will be fine. > Seeing that these

Re: [Tagging] Definition of lake/pond as applied to stream/plunge pools

2020-12-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 at 09:00, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:25 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > I've had one German solemnly assure me that anything labeled a 'creek' in > English is a minor watercourse, and challenge why I was mapping a riverbank > for Schoharie Creek. > Thanks,

Re: [Tagging] Definition of lake/pond as applied to stream/plunge pools

2020-12-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 at 15:14, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > "I'd like to swim in a small pool with a waterfall". > Good spot for one of your hazard tags! We have Natural Bridge nearby

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks for those edits, Joseph. They make things a little neater! Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 20:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > there are quite different kinds of bases, some are “permanent” and may be > in the home country of the military, others may be in “allied“ nations, > with contractual or defacto relationships, and there may be also those in > conflict

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 10:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > imagine you were mapping something, and it is legal in the place where you > are, but illegal in Britain, so you can not do it. Or you are seeing things > in country A and when you’re in country B you add them to OpenStreetMap > (from

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 16:44, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > OSMF board is not spending hours on monitoring wiki pages. > > I am spending hours on monitoring wiki pages and noticed it only recently, > and only in a new proposal. > > Anyone

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 08:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > The leisure key is generally silly, because we assign these tags also to > sports facilities for professional sports people, but for shooting ranges > it seems even less appropriate to add them under leisure when the operator > is the

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 08:59, Jeremy Harris wrote: > > I think rifle-shooting was a component of a triathlon in a recent > Winter Olympic, too. > Winter Olympics has the Biathlon - cross-country skiing & very accurate shooting, while the Summer Olympics has several different shooting events

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 02:00, St Niklaas wrote: > > Your text or proposal seems to be focused on modern times. > Yes, that's right, as it's intended for current, active, military establishments only. Since every town (vesting) or fortress (fort) has its own barracks in the > past > Yes, but

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 03:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > when the term is military „base“ I would guess it will always be intended > for more than a few weeks? Yes, that's right. Even if the label is „temporary“ it probably means years and not days? > Usually several months, at the very

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote: > It calls them speed bumps. > Yep, it seems like these are just a variety of speed bump https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_calming & =bump. The existing definition is more or less OK in that it includes Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:44, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > for a price: > You're not wrong! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting_range vs sport=shooting + leisure=pitch

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 09:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I have seen some shooting=range but the tag does not make too much sense > for tagging a shooting range facility. > Yes, it does actually, because shooters go to a range to shoot. We have sport=shooting and the physical nature of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rescue_Stations > Moved to voting. If you still have any comments or concerns, please raise them for discussion, rather than just voting "No, because ..."!

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Marine_rescue > Voting is now open. If you still have any comments or concern, please raise them for discussion, rather than just voting "No, because ...&quo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 13:50, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The text of the proposal is still confusing. > Sorry about that - maybe it should have been broken into 2 separate things? Is the tag emergency=rescue_stations being proposed? > Currently the Emergency page has the heading "Other

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Following discussions, voting has been postponed until the military=bases proposal is decided, so this has been returned to Under Way only. Thanks Graeme On Sun, 20 Dec 2020 at 13:26, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote

Re: [Tagging] Rapids (whitewater) on rivers --> Hazards

2020-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 11:24, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > > Thanks for the comments! For the specific linked case (winding road for > 74(!) miles), it seems that is already covered in the proposal - > hazard=curves and its sub-tags cover this, and if it truly is 74 > consecutive miles, that

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I should have added ... So really, they're not "natural" in any way (except for the water in them!, & even that is frequently pumped in). Thanks Graeme On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 12:20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > In an Australian context, the most common are known as T

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
In an Australian context, the most common are known as Turkey's Nest dams, because they're mounded up above the ground eg https://c8.alamy.com/comp/A6T7R0/turkey-nest-dam-on-outback-cattle-station-queensland-australia-A6T7R0.jpg For a full explanation:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:18, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Please visit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rescue_Stations & have a > look. > Reminder that voting is close to opening on this proposal. *Precis:* Amend the heading emergency=other_stations to emergency=re

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 12:21, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Please visit https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Marine_rescue & have a > look. > This proposal (which is partly linked to both the Rescue Services & Military Bases proposals) is also close to movin

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 09:32, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > Would this be satisfactory to the group in resolving the question of > reservoir tagging? > Good idea to bring it up, but not sure it will resolve anything once & for all? Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 at 14:51, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Personally I'd usually try to add the operator and operator:wikidata tags > in combination to give more context. > Thanks - I never think of wikidata tags as I don't usually use them. Added Graeme

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