Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2015, at 3:59 PM, geow ks...@web.de wrote: multi-use-path Highway=cycle-ped_path Done! Lets render it with purple dots (blue+red). Or we could just render it as a sidewalk, as that is what it is. A Sidewalk. Highway=footway+footway=sidewalk. Which

Re: [Tagging] oil binding agent?

2015-08-07 Thread John Willis
So if it swells less than 50%, it is adsobent. I learned a new word today. Javbw On Aug 8, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Note the subtle spelling difference between absorption and adsorption: http://www.integrityabsorbents.com/content/abvsad.php

Re: [Tagging] Contact:* prefix

2015-08-09 Thread John Willis
On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:56 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Overall I only see that this in some way might be usefull for phone and email. But I think it's better to assume phone= is used for some basic contact number and then use other tags like phone:emergency= or

Re: [Tagging] Describe explicitly that values of highway tag do not imply anything about road quality (except highway=motorway and highway=motorway_link)

2015-08-12 Thread John Willis
I agree that highway=* can't imply quality globally, but it is documented country by country how to tag certain types of roads, especially when there are enough types of roads to need all the definitions of highway=*. Japan's tagging page defines all the values and relates them to their

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-06 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If all mappers just map cycleways and don't care for access restrictions for pedestrians we end up with the same tags meaning different things. That is very true - which means that

Re: [Tagging] landuse=military

2015-07-26 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: access=military has been discussed in the past (for roads) and dismissed The area all around mt fuji is a military training ground. The major roads up the sides (which tourists drive) are

Re: [Tagging] landuse=military

2015-07-26 Thread John Willis
On Jul 27, 2015, at 3:04 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: For land areas owned/used by the military for whatever purpose Shouldn't that be for military or related purposes? The military ownsrecruiting centers in malls, that wouldn't be a good fit either. Martin brought

Re: [Tagging] Playground equipment

2015-07-21 Thread John Willis
Im referring to the base platforms that make up the uninteresting part of a large playground piece. The other things are usually attached to it. Maybe it has a ladder or steps on one side, but it is the mundane part - the structure. The slide, rope bridge, zip line, etc are all bolted on the

Re: [Tagging] Playground equipment

2015-07-22 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: ships or castles are common in Europe, its the theme, and it would be good to separate that from the functional category. I guess that is a good way to look at it. BTW, 'mountain' is a bit

Re: [Tagging] Playground equipment

2015-07-21 Thread John Willis
On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: I would prefer to have that in the playground:theme=* tag, thus playground=structure and playground:theme=octopus_mountain|ship|castle|dungeon|etc If they were a one-off, yea, but they are a named playground item here

Re: [Tagging] Highway proposed/planned distinction

2015-07-14 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:05 AM, Andy Townsend ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the proposed highways* are clearly just flights of fancy with no timescale or money behind them. Yea, thats true - There are some freeways in California that have been proposed for 50 years!

Re: [Tagging] Storm water control works?

2015-07-18 Thread John Willis
There is 1200 uses of man_made=pumping_station, so is this something worht documenting as in use and adding to the man made wiki page? Javbw? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2015, at 8:11 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: there are a lot of “works” that are related to control stormwater runoff

Re: [Tagging] Storm water control works?

2015-07-18 Thread John Willis
There is talk on the discussion page about tagging what it is pumping (drinking water, sewage, raw water, etc) so i think we should add the tag for is the the pipeline umm.. Medium? usage? Ill have to check what is the documented method for tagging what a pipe is carrying, and make sure there

Re: [Tagging] Storm water control works?

2015-07-18 Thread John Willis
Question on storm drain tagging - Most of the rivers here have storm levees to hold back the typhoon runoff (like right now in Kyoto) - and *every* single tiny stream and many drains from rice farming (drains are streams streams are drains when everything goes through a field) go into a

Re: [Tagging] Storm water control works?

2015-07-18 Thread John Willis
Shouldn't be drainage? Perhaps flood_water would be a good choice Javbw Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: Drain is missing ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Playground equipment

2015-07-19 Thread John Willis
Because it is under the playground tag, just structure should be fine. Structure might be a good value for a large piece, if the other pieces (bridges, slides, climbing nets, etc) are large enough to be mappable (like a very large installation at a park). If it is really small with a small

Re: [Tagging] Playground equipment

2015-07-19 Thread John Willis
A lot of playground equipment has a theme, especially old ones. Concrete octopuses that you climb and and one of his tentacles is a slide is common (in old playgrounds) here in Japan. They are so common, they should have a value (and maybe an icon  Playground=tako_no_yama) I think it would

Re: [Tagging] Storm water control works?

2015-07-20 Thread John Willis
drainage would be better than drain On 19 July 2015 at 02:49, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Shouldn't be drainage? Perhaps flood_water would be a good choice Javbw Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: Drain is missing

Re: [Tagging] Playground equipment

2015-07-20 Thread John Willis
On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: This is almost not more information than without it I think that is untrue. If this were building=yes, then it really doesn't give a clue what the structure is. But in the playground key, every element is

Re: [Tagging] Playground equipment

2015-07-20 Thread John Willis
On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is ok, if these are indeed japan specific, but I'd add a namespace like this: playground=jp:tako_no_yama so if I was tagging it in english it would be playground=octopus_mountain Or in

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 25, 2015, at 9:33 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > two tags describe a situation quite common in Alaska. Quite common here too in Japan. The runoff is captured and fed into a feed/drain system to fill rice fields with water, as well as used as a mostly

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "Olive Oil Factory"?

2015-10-25 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 2:19 AM, david wrote: > > The factory > takes harvested olives, after a few process, olive oil is produced). The olive mill suggested was 5 years old, so adding that man_made tag would be on top of a few other tags. The big thing is if it is

Re: [Tagging] amenity=bicycle_repair_station

2015-11-09 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Andrew Guertin wrote: > > amenity=bicycle_tool_stand +1 Self_serve_bicycle_tool_stand is also good too, if you want to really drive the point home, though a bit long. Javbw. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-12 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Nov 13, 2015, at 6:45 AM, John Eldredge wrote: > > Could you have a named signal at a named junction, with different names? Afaik, named road junctions do not exist in Japan (motorway junctions are named, but not normal roads with signals) I am not sure

Re: [Tagging] highway=residential_link

2015-11-11 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > > This is not the only example when a residential road doesn't have a > name There are no residential street names in all of Japan for tertiary roads and below (99.99%). There are a lot of numbered roads, but

Re: [Tagging] Tagging dangerous intersections

2015-11-10 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > For start, traffic sign itself may be also mapped. It would also make > clear that hazard (or other method to tag this) is based on something > verifiable, not opinion of the mapper. Sounds like a similar

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-09 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 9:38 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > *You want to establish a new tag such as traffic_signals_area to solve > multiple signals rendering. > *Opinions on the new tag are welcome from Japanese/Asian community because > rendering of traffic signal

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-01 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > I commonly tag the center-lane variety as lanes:both_ways=1, > access:lanes:both_ways=no I completely forgot about the center common bi-directional turn lane. Tons of them in the US, never seen one in Japan yet.

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-11-01 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Richard wrote: > > a way > which is shared by a waterway, a mulptipolygon forrest and an > administrative boundary. Clean up the inaccurate mapping and then do it the right way. I'm sure you can find an airport boundary, a fence, and a power

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-01 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > access. I tag the enclosed area with highway=pedestrian, area=yes, and the > way surrounding it Your road islands have people on them? They have big signs here saying "no crossing - cross at the light" with a

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-30 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > IMHO, if you don't consider them significant enough to be mapped as a way you > should maybe not map them at all. + 1 These are small *culverts* - not bridges or tunnels for a main road - so they are

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-04 Thread John Willis
Here's a picture of some mountain flowers (the tiny pink ones) on Kusatsu-shirane, near Kusatsu. They look natural, but they were all planted and maintained as a tourist attraction. They were not native to the area. https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/javbw/11094084766/ The picture I took is not so

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-06 Thread John Willis
(This Was sent earlier but looks like it wasn't received. Cleaned up/ clarified a bit and sent again). > On Nov 6, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > However, I do not see why the "ignorance" of the non-Asian mappers Full disclosure: I am an American. I moved to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2015-11-03 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > The network is ran/owned by a government institution, the actual power > distribution by commercial providers. So when you want a contract to get > electricity you go to a commercial entity. So building=civic is not

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-05 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Nov 6, 2015, at 1:09 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > I'd suggest to use a node tagged > place=junction > > with name=* or ref=* > for this. What do you think? > From what I remember - in Korea they name junctions, and in Japan they actually name the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a fence made with metal bars?

2015-11-05 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Nov 6, 2015, at 3:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I suggest to be quite specific at this type level, because barrier=fence is > already generic. For the material without any more detail we could use > fence:material rather than a type tag +1 In

Re: [Tagging] Tagging airport approach aid systems

2015-11-05 Thread John Willis
I would use navigation aid=* I tagged a ton of Approach Aids (PAPI, localizers, VOR, etc) for Narita Airport (NRT) and the navigation aid subkey covers all of it and is very well documented. If you understand a pilot's airport diagram guide, it's easy to tag the correct information.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2015-11-04 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > The building tag is about the building itself, That is a good point. I don't want to throw all this in amenity. It isn't a shop... Office=*. ? I always assume that a building at this level is usually

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-04 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > everything's an object ;-) (if you want/need to) In a general sense, everything is a node, way or area object, yea. But a flower field is not a man_made=* object, in the common OSM usage. It's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2015-11-04 Thread John Willis
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > while front facing offices often get the shop tag. Most offices that provide customer service for existing services or billing resolution don't seem like a shop. If the role for shop=* is so expansive,

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-18 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 19, 2015, at 12:39 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Trade is more an access tag, you can have a shop=motor_spares for > example. Some are open to the public, Is that really implied in the trade tag? I understand if you need a license or certification to buy parts

Re: [Tagging] RFC key:oven - a tag to add details about a kind of oven

2015-10-15 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:35 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > > Oxford dictionary describes kiln as > "a furnace or oven for burning, baking, or drying, esp. one for calcining > lime or firing pottery." We should really separate things used to prepare foods and things used

Re: [Tagging] Postindustrial Castle

2015-10-15 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Another famous example: Hearst Castle [1] > I think the "historic" key is correct. > +1 Hearst castle is definitely historic, its on several historic records. My parent's house in California, built in 1922 out of

Re: [Tagging] power=* tag: minor_line vs. line

2015-10-15 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:02 AM, François Lacombe > wrote: > > importance=* That word is not allowed over in -carto github, no matter how relevant or useful - like with mountains or regional features that need to shown at varying z levels based on... Importance.

Re: [Tagging] power=* tag: minor_line vs. line

2015-10-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:11 AM, David Marchal wrote: > > Do you mean that the landscape impact criteria is already the one used to > distinguish minor_line and line? I think he means that there is usually a huge difference in voltage and line type between lines on

Re: [Tagging] power=* tag: minor_line vs. line

2015-10-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Oct 15, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Éric Gillet wrote: >> > On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:02 AM, François Lacombe >> > wrote: >> > >> > importance=* >> >> That word is not allowed over in -carto github, no matter how relevant or >> useful -

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-07 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 2:43 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > > http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/12/no_through_traffic_signs_in_ne.html. > This case would be unthinkable here in Central Europe. The police have no power because the road is public and built, so people are legally

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread John Willis
There are a couple shops like "la mesa Lumber" and places dedicated to stone that are public shops. Often times they are the more "pro" shops a builder or DIY person goes to source a large quantity of wood, tile, or stone for a building project - but there is not a tool to be found (all that is

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread John Willis
Li really like the idea of cleaning up the shop values, especially removing really generic ones. But specific ones have their place For example, electronics is a good shop value, but what about a ham radio store? Generic hobby shops exist, what about model train shops? We need to create a

Re: [Tagging] Postindustrial Castle

2015-10-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > t least the intention was to build a castle, the typology is copying > from castles, Hearst ruled an imperium (of publishing), he organized > impressive receptions, held formal dinners, etc. --- for

Re: [Tagging] Postindustrial Castle

2015-10-16 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 16, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I d call the hearst residence at least a villa, if castle doesn't find > agreement. A villa or mansion or something more than a common house - but... It just feels weird to tag a more modern

Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

2015-10-16 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Georg Feddern wrote: > > > Ever worked/trained with horses? > > What is the key definition for sport? > Concentration? Reactions? Best moves? Power? > > Is a carrière > - sport_practice when there is just training > but > - sport

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 18, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > >> Am 18.10.2015 um 02:28 schrieb John Eldredge : >> >> I find shop=trade too generic to be useful, as there are many different >> trades besides the building-construction

Re: [Tagging] Unmarked opening hours

2015-10-16 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Oct 17, 2015, at 9:59 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > > If I don't know something .. I don't tag it. > > So I would simply not add the tag. > > This is the right answer. > > +1 > +1 > Agreed. Why would you add a tag when you don't know a value to assign?

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Oct 8, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: >> Similar to shop=craft. > > Do you know what hobby this is about? Almost everything can be a hobby. I belive it is about some form of scale model building or small scale electric things (trains rc cars, planes).

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-10 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 12:35 AM, Éric Gillet wrote: > > Hello, > I know this is not a vote or anything close, but wanted to say I don't think > a ban, especially a month-long ban, was warranted by Frederik's two last > messages. I disagree with Frederik's position

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-10 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 12:35 AM, Éric Gillet wrote: > > Hello, > I know this is not a vote or anything close, but wanted to say I don't think > a ban, especially a month-long ban, was warranted by Frederik's two last > messages. Oops - forgot to add: +1 Javbw

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-11 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Castle as in "a type of fortified structure built in Europe and the > Middle East during the Middle Ages by nobility". We'll have to append "and Asia" on that. There are castles all over Japan (China too?), and

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-12 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > This historic places map has a list of castle types, > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Historical_Objects/Karteneigenschaften > There is "Shiro" in the list, which is marked a Japanese Burg. Its up now and I

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-06 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > > So if "destination" excludes off-wanderers and sightseers, what tag do you > use when you need to include them? Yes/permissive under general. If I am free to come up park my car for any reason and wander about, that

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:42 AM, NopMap wrote: > > Therefore I think > that a very general tag historic=castle and a subtag for refinement is a > better idea, even if the actual meaning is more like "castle-like building". Does this include plastic disney castles? Those are

Re: [Tagging] power=* tag: minor_line vs. line

2015-10-13 Thread John Willis
> On Oct 13, 2015, at 11:16 PM, Bryan Housel wrote: > > A simper way to describe this would be to say that: > > `power=line` is for “transmission” > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission > > `power=minor_line` is for “distribution” >

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Then why did they keep track+level1+paved at all? It's like calling it a motorway level 9. Its shoehorned into somewhere it doesn't belong. These roads may have a similar purpose - local access - but the grade of the road is completely out of the category I would ever call a track. There are

[Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-11 Thread John Willis
I want to make a new definition for the the service=subkey to better define highway=service when used to map the the odd public, maintained, paved, yet extremely narrow, meandering, and often parallel or inconvenient nature of a lot of rural roads in Asia that are used to access sections of

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: very rough construction Most of these are in very good condition, comparable to the residential or unclassified roads. They are well made and well maintained, besides the summer overgrowth that grows too

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2015, at 6:03 AM, John Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I have seen some people insist that highway=track only be used if the landuse Is farmland, but not if the land is covered by bushes or trees because no cultivation is taking place. That is weird as

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

2015-07-08 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com wrote: highway=track Yes, it is where a grade 3(?) track meets the service roads. ^_^ Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

2015-07-12 Thread John Willis
On Jul 12, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you have to raise your current unclassified roads to tertiary to make room for these roads in question? Japan tagging rules (on the wiki) states only roads with a painted center line can be tagged

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-27 Thread John Willis
Footway is a constructed or engineered way, dedicated and built to a grade where foot traffic should expect an easy walk. This might make other traffic passage easier as well ( bikes), but engineered with pedestrians in mind. Path is a cleared area with minimal-to-no construction to create the

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread John Willis
The Montgomery ward's department store in my old hometown was turned into a Walmart (2 stories) but most department stores in California are 1-2 floors (with most targets and walmarts being 1 story). Most supermarkets are one. Size is the only difference in their construction, and often near

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-27 Thread John Willis
and the other began. Javbw On Aug 28, 2015, at 7:20 AM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: To many people, the brand logo out front and the color choice of the paint will signal that it is a market or a dept store far beyond it's architecture, in most cases

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-29 Thread John Willis
On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:17 AM, geow ks...@web.de wrote: Along with specific sub-tags for physical and access properties it's the Swiss army knife for non motorized traffic. We have a cutting block full of kitchen knives. How many people use the pocketknife to cut vegetables in the kitchen?

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-29 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Richard ricoz@gmail.com wrote: I think that trail is very vague, look at english witkionary, wagon trail etc so the word itself would already cause trouble. highway=footpath may cause less trouble I think highway=primary is very vague. It is the

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-29 Thread John Willis
On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: supermarkets have different requirements than electronics stores, e.g. because they have big refrigeration storage areas (with good insulation). Yes, you could use them for other purposes, but it typically

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-29 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I thought anchor stores are dedicated areas in malls and shopping centers, not buildings on its own (i.e. the tag would be building:part in this case) Technically, the anchor is the large important

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-29 Thread John Willis
On Aug 29, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure those are or have to be landuses , eg the gated community is a settlement or settlement part. A group of separate buildings that make up an apartment complex is a single named

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-29 Thread John Willis
On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Richard ricoz@gmail.com wrote: isn't that a track? In 1847 it was the first trunk road into San Diego from the east. Then, as other roads were built and traffic dwindled away, it lost importance and grade down to a track, and finally S2 was built to

Re: [Tagging] Construction

2015-08-30 Thread John Willis
On Aug 29, 2015, at 12:08 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Gardiner is still highway=motorway If the construction doesn't impact the maxspeed, the lanes, the alignment, nor the classification of the road - then its not really under construction. If the road changes

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-30 Thread John Willis
On Aug 31, 2015, at 12:05 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: uilding=commercial is quite suspect. To me, there are 2 basic types of mixed use buildings. mixed_use_urban And mixed_use_house There are so many different combinations of retail, residential, hotel, and

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-29 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: suggests a proper entity. Landuse can be seen as a propery, I wouldn't use it to constitute objects on their own. A mall sits on one named landuse=retail. A factory sits on landuse=industrial. A

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > 3 storey buildings are normally quite different to 25 storey buildings for > various reasons (e.g. safety regulations, usage intensity, ...) Is there some easily understood dividing line between a

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-01 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > presently traverses a staircase! I currently forget which, but a national road in Japan officially becomes a staircase near its terminus, as the government managed "road" is significant older than cars, and for

Re: [Tagging] a "letter box" for books

2015-09-05 Thread John Willis
We might want some kind of generic "drop box" or "return box" - there are other kinds of things that are returned (dvds, kerosene tanks, shoes, rental /loaned items, etc. It would be an item belonging to the business or location, so we may mot need to tag what is returned. You arent going

Re: [Tagging] barrier enforcing maxwidth

2015-09-08 Thread John Willis
Im talking about how to tag the barrier. That thing was **tight** and very unusual to find in a major urban area. The amount of scars on the poles was amazing. The hight restriction barrier (a common thing) is tagged along with maxheight - this barrier seemed to be the same - if you are over

Re: [Tagging] Drafting proposal: use oneway=reversible or create tag?

2015-09-08 Thread John Willis
I think using it for pipes and waterways is a good thing, especially when used with the way's inherent direction. There are pipes, canals, and other waterways where both directions occur, but like the incline tag, it is best to specify what direction the way's inherent direction implies in

Re: [Tagging] barrier enforcing maxwidth

2015-09-08 Thread John Willis
I use bollards all the time , guardrails too. If i tagged it as you suggest, we wouldn't need any of the cycle barriers, pinches, nor chicanes if they happened to be made of poles. we could use bollards for it all. The guardrails are there not to contain a car nor block access, they are

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:17 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > It also means that real importance could be tagged one day instead of > "official" importance, so we have at least something proper once people will > have what they really want anyway. =} Rant: I agree that

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

2015-09-02 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > From this it sounds like this tagging in OSM is relying too much on > official classification rather than on real road importance. And similar to someone printing out an email and faxing it to someone, we have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
Javbw On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: sent from a phone Am 22.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: We already define the religious buildings themselves through building=* and the POW through amenity

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
On Aug 25, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone does not participate in all the OSM news sources. Thus people are surprised when presented with stuff they had no idea of. When I was a gamer, I played a lot of Blizzard games (WoW Diablo), and the same situation

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Husainiya

2015-08-25 Thread John Willis
On Aug 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: sent from a phone Am 22.08.2015 um 15:38 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: A school operated by a church on separate land with separate facilites is a school. The sign out front says school

Re: [Tagging] unequipped outdoor area for sport activity

2015-09-12 Thread John Willis
Leisure=pitch + sport•=* Its not anout the markinggs - its about dedicated use. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dpitch I am not sure about the reservation system - but if it is a dedicated area for sports of any kind, the area is a pitch. If it is just a spot on a park

Re: [Tagging] Orchards and their crops

2015-09-15 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Sep 15, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: > > our next problem is to identify the cultivars: not easy with cherries in > Japan. So there is nothing between "This is a pear" And "This is the very specific cultivar of this variety of this pear. ?

Re: [Tagging] Cycle cafes

2015-09-15 Thread John Willis
I have no idea about this, but are there ways to tag zones in a theme park? Trying to discern themes might be really difficult without a good list of beginning themes. Westernland and tomorrowland, etc, for example. Is that cowboy and astronaut? The old west? Retro space? Pioneer times?

Re: [Tagging] Cycle cafes

2015-09-15 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > , they would not > necessarily want to be shown playground locomotives. > > The idea for playground:theme=* came up when johnw was looking for labelling > octopus-themed playgrounds in Japan (though he has not

Re: [Tagging] How to tag cricket nets?

2015-09-29 Thread John Willis
Net is not a sport. "Putting green is also not a sport, so it is in golf=* Sport=cricket Cricket=net would be more in line with existing tagging schemes, especially the sub-keys for sports with static and well defined features (like golf courses and baseball diamonds). But we're wondering of

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long names for highways

2015-09-27 Thread John Willis
I was using official_name=* for this already (like stores with ridiculously long names) - I just realized this might be completely undocumented. Javbw > On Sep 27, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 27/09/2015 8:21 PM, Peter wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> we've detecting

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-29 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Sep 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > addr:floor is about the address, "level" is used more often. What about situations where the level and the signed level don't match? Im not trying to spatially locate the building for 3D rendering

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-29 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > > Actually, Taginfo says that addr:floor is used 4314 times (3162 on nodes): > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/addr:floor I was reading the numbers off the wiki page - I guess there is an error in the

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-29 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2015-09-29 13:10 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar : >> > addr:floor is about the address, "level" is used more often. >> >> When addr:floor=* was first proposed a few years ago,

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