Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
as amenity=place_of_worship - or is that also a mistake? - Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:13 AM wrote: > Not important at all. I just think that if it is ancillary to the > business of selling coffins, transporting corpses, preparing them for > burial, doing paperwork in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There is already an existing tag with similar meaning for funeral homes / funeral halls / funeral directors: shop=funeral_directors. The use of the key "shop=" is odd, but it's been used over 20,000 times so it seems to be well established:

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The “rise” where the stream comes back to the surface would usually be mapped as natural=spring If there is also a cave entrance at the same spot where the watercourse exits a cave, then the tag natural=cave_entrance can be used - Joseph On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:21 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
=cave_entrance can also be used when a waterway drops into a sinkhole or other open cave entrance, often found in limestone (karst) geology areas. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:52 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 17:07, Tod Fitch wrote: > >> >> To

Re: [Tagging] Aerialway stations

2020-08-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
uite large, since there are urban systems and tourist systems in flat regions (theme parks) as well as mountain areas. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 8:04 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > 1) is bottom station always in valley? > (

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - more parking types

2020-08-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: status to indicate "was not voted upon but is widely used and most people are happy with it" That's the "de facto" status. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:09 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 13:53, Matthew Woehlke > wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Maracaibo So, does this mean that Lago de Maracaibo could be mapped as natural=water or waterway=riverbank instead, if local mappers feel it is a lake rather than a tidal bay / estuary? (It is currently mapped with natural=coastline and with a relation tagged as n

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
is the inclusion of Bahia Samborombon in the estuary. The charts and satellite images show very little influence from river water in that area, as well as in the section of coast east of Montevideo. – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:42 PM wrote: > > > - Mensaje original ---

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
river current at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_River By using the dominant currents as a definition, this allows local mappers with knowledge of the water to determine the right tagging. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
~30 to 50 km (20 to 30 miles) wide till after Buenos Aires, then becomes almost 100 km wide by the time it opens up at Montevideo and Samborombon Bay. The people who named the rivers and the estuary recognized a difference. - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:23 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ge of the river. It would not prevent mapping the Hudson mouth at the southern tip of Manhattan, because the flow is strong all the way to New York Harbor, if I understand correctly. - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:54 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:59 PM Christo

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
would suggest that the natural=coastline should cross no farther downstream than Quebec City, where the river widens into the huge lower estuary. Similarly, should Puget Sound and San Francisco Bay be mapped as natural=water + water=river? These are also estuaries. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
d the baseline as far out to sea as possible, so that they can claim a larger area of ocean as an exclusive economic zone. This should not influence tagging in OpenStreetMap, which needs to be based on real, verifiable, physical characteristics. – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:57

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-08-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
es in your area which would fit the proposed definition, and then come back with photos plus aerial imagery of the areas which ought to be mapped with this tag. So far it has been mostly hypothetical, which makes it hard to understand which sorts of landscapes would qualify for this tag. - Joseph

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
bodies, including bays, straits and estuaries, while also allowing local mappers to map their river estuaries as they see fit. – Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:48 PM wrote: > > > - Mensaje original - > > De: "Christoph Hormann" > > Para: "

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-07-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
u ask someone the name of the road in California with ref="CA 96", they will tell you "Highway 96" or perhaps "The river road". They won't say "Nah, it doesn't have a name, just a State highway number." – Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:08 PM Jmapb w

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-07-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree. Proof of this is that a section of road which was formerly US Highway 99, but where the highway ref is now on a new bypass, will often by signed as “Old Highway 99”, so it’s reasonable to say that the name=* was “Highway 99” before. -Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 12:01 PM

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-07-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In Indonesia, Costa Rica, Peru and Mexico, it is common to find 30cm kerbs in older neighborhoods. In Nicaragua there were some that were at least 45 cm high, in Leon or Granada. Tropical countries with heavy rainfall often do this to avoid flooding. - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7

Re: [Tagging] food forests / forest gardening

2020-07-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
A landuse=orchard is any area of perennial shrubs and trees which is used to produce food. In the tropics this tag is used for bananas tea and coffee, and oil date palms, all of which are not exactly “orchards” in the British sense. This was proposed in the original vote. So if Wikipedia is

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-07-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
added 1 year ago by a certain mapper: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/natural=sink_hole#map - I assume this was a mistake. – Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 8:27 AM Tod Fitch wrote: > It certainly would not be my pick of terms, but it seems manhole=drain has > an appro

Re: [Tagging] Farmlands subject to rotation of crops

2020-07-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
and it can be tagged as landuse=meadow (even if it's not used for hay or grazing). But before that, it's not clear if there is a tag for cropland that is unplanted and temporarily fallow for a few months to 1 year. - Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:57 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Many desert climates can be mapped as natural=sand (for dunes and other areas of sand), natural=bare_rock (for bedrock and large stones), natural=scree, natural=shingle, or natural=heath (for areas of dwarf shrubs), but we still need a tag for unvegetated areas which are not sand, rock, stones or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
rmation and Telecommunications Technologies* > United Nations Global Service Centre > United Nations Department of Operational Support > > Brindisi | Phone: +39 0831 056985 | Mobile: +39 3297193455 | Intermission: > 158 6985 > E-mail: michael.mont...@un.org | www.ungsc.org &

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
types of "barren" land can already be mapped with existing tags. That's why it's important that new tags are precisely defined. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:37 AM mbranco2 wrote: > I hope that this discussion and the related proposal wiki page will lead > to a s

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
r co-ops" - https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/090115/living-new-york-city-coops-vs-condos.asp – Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:33 AM Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 09/07/2020 21.51, Warin wrote: > > On 9/7/20 12:44 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ouse <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dhouse>, but keeping at least two nodes in common for adjoining houses." https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dterrace If you map each house individually, it is not necessary to map the whole outline of the row of house

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-07-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ues "coffee_shop" and "bubble_tea" are both documented, "cuisine=juice" has been used over 1400 times, and "cuisine=tea" is also in use a few hundred times. I think using that key is reasonable, though developing more specific tags is also an option. – Joseph Eise

Re: [Tagging] Mobile phone accessories

2020-06-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I would expect a "shop=mobile_phone" to sell mobile phones, so your first option of "shop=mobile_phone_accessories" is best, though "shop=phone_accessories" is also a good option. – Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:30 AM Francesco Ansanelli wrot

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
which sell brewed tea. See https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Vvi Here in Oregon we have a Boba tea place which is tagged shop=tea - http://bobahead.com - https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7058798286 – Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:02 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Fr., 26. Juni

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
n also add usage=irrigation or another appropriate value of usage=*, and width=* – Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:12 AM Walker Bradley wrote: > I concur that historic or heritage should be secondary tags. > > Regarding man_made=qanat versus canal=qanat, it is wor

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-26 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ces always sell coffee, unlike a Bubble Tea shop. I find it quite strange that amenity=cafe is being suggested for tea shops, bagel shops and donut shops on the wiki. This seems to be based on some cultural assumptions about what is a "cafe" in European contexts, but this does not match us

[Tagging] Name for new wiki pages about roles of members in route relations?

2020-06-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
thing like Role:main and Role:alternative? Or is it best to make up a new general page to describe them all, like "Roles for route relations <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Roles_for_route_relations=edit=1> "? – Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
-pubs/?cid=fseprd533703=full I advocated for mapping the outer boundary since land ownership is not something we normally map, but other mappers are saying that the land ownership is more verifiable than the declared boundary and more important for actual protection status and access. – Joseph Eisenberg O

[Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
?) In other countries, how are National Park and other protected_area boundaries determined? If there are villages or towns within the boundary, are they actually protected? Are they excluded from the area? – Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

[Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
; I can see how canoes and kayaks are basically the same, since both are narrow boats that usually carry 1 or 2 people and are propelled by paddles. But should rowboat access restrictions be under this key canoe=yes/no/designated, or are they under boat=yes/no/des

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thank you, I had intended to try to find out who was using that tag, myself, so it was very helpful to contact them. Glad to hear that the mappers using man_made=qanat are happy to change to this tag. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 3:07 PM Joseph Guillaume wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t sure of both, the definitions of free flow and pipe. A qanat is not built with pipes or a pipeline for transmission of the water. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 3:31 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 20. Jun 2020, at 20:39, Jose

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
can aqueducts used for drinking water, so tagging usage=irrigation and width=*, while using the existing main tag, is probably reasonable. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 5:17 AM Christoph Hormann wrote: > > I think this is a good idea. Both in the sense of establishing a

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
minimising evaporation) - Construction and maintenance is through vertical shafts, which are then visible on the surface – Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 11:24 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 20. Jun 2020, at 14:17, Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] Milk Churn Stands

2020-06-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
deling / repairs. – Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 11:08 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 20. Jun 2020, at 14:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > They should probably have disused=yes or a disused lifecycle > > prefix (cue endless

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
nt main tag just because the shafts aren't visible for one reason or the other (e.g. hidden on purpose) Sometimes there are small walls or caps over the shafts to prevent sand or dirt from falling in. I was considering that to be still "visible

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
s are also found around the Mediterranean, as far as Spain, and from there they were also brought to the Americas. But they are most commonly found in North Africa, West Asia and Central Asia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat#/media/File:Qanat_technology_diffusion.svg – Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, J

[Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
his proposal if it's debatable, but it would be nice to approve a way to map the shafts as well, since they are visible on survey and in aerial imagery. Please comment here or at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Qanat – Joseph Eisenberg ___

Re: [Tagging] site relation definition

2020-06-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Are there any examples of a type=site relation used with a natural=* feature tag where this is appropriate? In the list of combinations natural=* is not shown (less than 1000 uses): https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/type=site#combinations About 50% of current site relations are from an

Re: [Tagging] route=raceway?

2020-06-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
relation for all of the ways which comprise a highway=raceway circuit? Do you have some examples of existing objects which you would want to re-tag? – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:00 AM Richard Welty wrote: > there is a long stalled proposal for a relation type of circuit for > ha

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - 3rd and 4th rail (Michael Reichert)

2020-06-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ail for the vast majority of systems which are 3rd rail? – Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:50 AM Garry Keenor wrote: > > Paul - thanks for the response. I struggle with the idea that someone would know that a route is electrified with a ground level contact system, but not how m

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ious leisure activities - hiking, cycling, or as jeep/ATV trails." – Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:53 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 05:47, Tod Fitch wrote: > >> >> “Greenway” [1] was a term unknown to me too >&

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ide to drive a small car down it. That is not a highway=track, its a sidewalk. Most paths and footways in urban parks are more than 2 meters wide. They are not tracks. – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:55 PM brad wrote: > It already says this: > "Some

Re: [Tagging] Adding man_made=spoil_heap to the Map Features page?

2020-06-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> > >> >> & is there any reason *not* to add things to the map features page? >> > > Things that are rarely mapped are not good candidates for a page listing > things that are frequently mapped. > > Right now there are 105 documented tags with the key "man_made:", and only 50 of these are listed

[Tagging] Adding man_made=spoil_heap to the Map Features page?

2020-06-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
USA and in South America: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=man_made=spoil_heap#map The one issue is whether it is clearly different than landuse=landfill. Thoughts on whether this tag is common enough and well established enough that it should be on M

Re: [Tagging] Overlapping naturals

2020-06-02 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
to describe that the wetland area is only part of the year. However, if the wetland has different vegetation, it might be a bog, fen, marsh etc, then you should use wetland=bog/fen/marsh as appropriate, and exclude the wetland area from the natural=scrub area. – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Jun 2

Re: [Tagging] Change of wiki page Key:access

2020-05-27 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ss=destination), I would expect more requests to correct this in applications Most people who ride bikes will want to avoided any places where dismounting is required. It is usually faster to take a different route. Only rarely will it be worthwhile to use a way with bicyc

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ave extensive networks of unpaved paths between remote villages in deserts, mountains and tropical forests where there are no roads for 2-track motor vehicles. – Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:12 PM Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 03:03:40PM -0400, Kevin Kenny

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-05-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Railways#Abandoned_railways_where_all_evidence_has_been_removed – Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:40 PM Jack Armstrong wrote: > Greetings. > > > Recently, a user mapped “razed” railways inside a construction zone (link > below). These rails had been remov

Re: [Tagging] How to tag parking area where it doesn't make sense to have a way go through it

2020-05-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
That looks correct. According to the aerial imagery these are private parking spaces which are directly accessible from the street. https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?#map=20/37.40423/-121.99958 So amenity=parking + access=private is a reasonable way to map this. – Joseph Eisenberg On Fri

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Lines management - Voting

2020-05-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
he way if you look along the way direction. But which one comes first in the value? Is the proposal suggesting to use a vertical line as the separator instead of a semicolon? So "line_management=branch|straight" would be used when there are two circuits and one goes straight at the tower, a

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
vel to compacted to dirt frequently, but not necessary). In the short term, it's okay to tag an estimated, average width. If it's 1 to 0.3 meters, use 0.5 - this still shows a difference from a path which is 1.5 to 4 meters wide (which you might estimate as 2.5 meters?). -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri,

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
or business-related service roads, rather than residential driveways. – Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
worker" Comparing the 3 countries, all are health facilities at the village or neighborhood level which provide health care via workers who do not have as much formal training. I would agree that most of these workers might be called "community health workers" as a general term, tho

Re: [Tagging] track vs footway, cycleway, bridleway or path

2020-05-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ave an example of a particular path or road which is debatable? -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:10 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > Hello, > > Just because a trail is wide enough to accommodate a four wheeled > vehicle does that make it highway=track if it was constructed

Re: [Tagging] Adding values healthcare=dispensary and healthcare=community_care?

2020-05-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
" are vague, however. I would suggest trying to fit with the theme of using the type of health worker as the name of the feature (doctors, nurse, dentist, etc.), so we could have amenity=village_health_worker or healthcare=community_health_worker or something like that. – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue,

[Tagging] Meaning of "administrative" in boundary=administrative, in your country?

2020-05-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
rule", or the ability to make their own laws, for example in French-infuenced areas? What is the minimum qualification for a boundary to be considered a boundary=administrative with an admin_level in your country? -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
etc. -Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 1:04 AM Marc M. wrote: > Hello, > > Le 10.05.20 à 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > imagine you are ordering a taxi for yourself and 2 colleagues to the > > airport and instead of a taxi (cab) they send y

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
François, Have you personally hired a motorcycle before, or is the assumption that this is the same service based on theory rather than experience? The proposal gave several reasons that using amenity=taxi was not a good idea, including these: "Motorcyles have different abilities. "In contrast

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
n helpful in preventing bad ideas from being approved without consensus. But it has made it more likely that a proposal will not be approved, even though the majority accepts it. --Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:21 PM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Fri, 8 May 2020 at 09:05, s8evq wrote: &g

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The tag motorcycle=yes is already documented as defining legal access restrictions for motorcycle riders, like access=yes or foot=yes See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:motorcycle%3Dyes -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 1:34 PM Florimond Berthoux < florimond.berth...@gmail.

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
For the record, I responded to Marc Marc’s comment on this list, and there was not a response back: “ On 2/20/20, marc marc wrote: > Le 20.02.20 à 12:45, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >> Can't we have an easy to use top-level feature tag, instead of having >> to add 3 tags li

[Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
n the West? -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

2020-05-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> Something like: man_made=bells + bells=carillon for the larger instruments and man_made=bells + bells=chime for the smaller ones. That makes sense. Also, "bells" is easier to translate into most languages. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:57 AM Adam Franco wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

2020-05-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
+1 to using man_made=carillon or =bells. Don’t use attraction because that is for carousels and roller coasters and similar things in amusement parks, mostly. —Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:18 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 7.

Re: [Tagging] RFC ele:regional

2020-05-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
s" - added back in 2012: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:ele=811890 -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:58 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 4. May 2020, at 18:54, Greg Troxel wrote: > > This really

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
We stopped rendering it, but we didn’t edit the wiki page to set the status to “deprecated”. Many tags are not rendered because they are ambiguous (e.g. natural=fell) but that doesn’t mean they are deprecated. On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 9:34 AM Andy Townsend wrote: > On 03/05/2020 17:13, Jos

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
region, database users who are looking at the whole globe will have trouble interpreting what it means. That's why it would be better to propose a new, different tag to map open areas of unvegetated land in villages and towns. -- Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-ml] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-05-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
=common: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=common The existing tag is leisure=common - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=common -- Joseph Eisenberg — Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > So, this discussion gravitates towa

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ineyards, etc. - though certainly there are some meadows or orchards or farmyards that are currently tagged as landuse=farmland for various reasons. I have not seen any scrub or semi-desert rangeland tagged as landuse=farmland. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 6:58 PM Warin <61sundow...@

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-04-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. (We're working on it: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/3399) -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:46, Mike Thompson wrote: >> >> >> I have always been under the impression tha

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> wetland area within a forest where trees are growing also within the wetland area That’s a “swamp”: natural=wetland + wetland=swamp https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:wetland%3Dswamp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swamp#Differences_between_marshes_and_swamps

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-04-29 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ers to interpret what it means. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:41 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Apr 29, 2020, 21:37 by skqu...@rushpost.com: > > On 4/29/20 14:34, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > > Here is a 360° pict

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy

2020-04-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
But healthcare=pharmacy was never proposed. It was added by a preset in iD. At the time the key “healthcare=“ was proposed, the idea of changing amenity=pharmacy was opposed by several mappers during the RFC period (in 2010), so the idea to change to shop=pharmacy was dropped. —Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy

2020-04-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
for this: consider that hospitals are mapped as amenity=hospital and a doctor's surgery (office) is amenity=doctors. There is no point in using 2 synonymous tags to map one feature. We should just use the established tag amenity=pharmacy and deprecate healthcare=pharmacy -- Joseph Eisenberg

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy

2020-04-28 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
y=pharmacy. This will make it clear that healthcare=pharmacy is not needed and should be deprecated. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Definition and usage of Key:mtb:scale:imba?

2020-04-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
itn_17_4_trail_difficulty.html Can other mappers who use this tag frequently confirm whether it is limited to specifically designed and built bike trails, like those found in "bikeparks"? -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mail

Re: [Tagging] Refining heritage tag

2020-04-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The heritage:operator tag is needed because “operator=“ is the operator of the feature, not the operator of the heritage status. If you have an old residential building which is still in active use, the operator= is whoever manages the building now, but it might also have a heritage:operator=

Re: [Tagging] Refining heritage tag

2020-04-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t; for the "hertiage" designation, versus some other characteristic of the feature. Is there any real-world case where this would be true? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/21/20, António Madeira wrote: > So, I would like to know what would be the technical pros and cons > regarding heritage:re

Re: [Tagging] Too many different features lumped together under amenity=social_facility?

2020-04-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
e than social. While there are non-medical "nursing homes", these are under "assisted_living" or "group_home". I would suggest deprecating social_facility=hospice, and I'm also not convinced that social_facility=nursing_home is better than amenity=nursing_home. -- Joseph Eise

[Tagging] Too many different features lumped together under amenity=social_facility?

2020-04-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
be in favor of separating out the non-residential social services from the full-time residential facilities? This would be similar to how we use different tags for hospitals (inpatient - you stay overnight) and doctor's offices / clinics (outpatient). -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Points vs Polygons

2020-04-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ge this because there really is no way to tell which of the > properties (e.g. name) belongs to the building and which to the business. +1 -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/20/20, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 19.04.20 20:33, Paul Allen wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:29, Justin Tracey > <

Re: [Tagging] iD semi automatic adding public_transport to aerialway=station

2020-04-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I agree that a tag like "public_transportation=yes" would be a sensible tag to add to a aerialway=station which is used as public transit, and "public_transportation=no" could be useful for a "railway=station" or "highway=bus_stop" which is not used

[Tagging] Tagging a warehouse or distribution centre?

2020-04-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
/Key:industrial Do we need another tag like man_made=distribution_centre, or is landuse + building enough in this case? See also discussion at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:shop%3Dseafood#Wholesale_fish_markets.2C_seafood_processing -- Joseph Eisenberg

[Tagging] Footways where pedestrians may only walk in one direction: oneway:foot=yes or foot:backward=no?

2020-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
in other languages? -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-04-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
users, who will expect a taxicab (motorcar) stand with that tag -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] tagging the landuse of resevoirs & basins.

2020-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
rol if it is outside of the levees/dykes and wouldn't actually be flooded.) -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/15/20, John Willis via Tagging wrote: > When mapping stormwater reservoirs and basins here in Japan, they often have > a mappable landuse around them - the land around the basin is controlled

Re: [Tagging] insurance health

2020-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
query. But it takes more time for each mapper to add 2 tags instead of one. Mapper time is the most precious resource in OpenStreetMap: we don't have enough mappers, and most are working for free, for fun. Let's make things as easy as possible for mappers: one tag for one main feature. -- Joseph

Re: [Tagging] insurance health

2020-04-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
to specialize. Is that also true in Argentina? (If you want to use a subtag, another option would be office=company (very common tag) + company=health_insurance or something like that) -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/14/20, Agustin Rissoli wrote: > In Argentina we want to correctly tagging offi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Unifying playground equipment tagging) - Cancelled

2020-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
his case, and especially for a smaller sandpit. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/13/20, Sören Reinecke via Tagging wrote: > Due to your feedback I will cancel the proposal. AGAIN: What you say is > 100% correct. This proposal's purpose was just to simplify what seems > unclear to many (not al

Re: [Tagging] Things within things | Re: Request for assistance in creating a tag.

2020-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ervices/nhs/a4502/a-to-z-of-hospital-departments/ BTW, what is the most common term for an "emergency department" in the UK? Is it still "Emergency Ward" or "Accident and Emergency Ward" or something different -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/13/20, Paul Allen wrote: > O

Re: [Tagging] Things within things | Re: Request for assistance in creating a tag.

2020-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
n which case amenity=clinic is fine. If they admit inpatients into a special part of the hospital, then a new tag like healthcare=department / hospital_department is a good idea. -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 13/4/20 7:27 pm, Rory McCann wrot

Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

2020-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
penstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dispensing "description=DOH HIV Treatment Hub" - it would be better to add this as a tag, like "hiv_treatment_hub=yes" rather than use description (I also would not add healthcare=clinic or healthcare=hospital - just use amenity=hospital or amenity=c

Re: [Tagging] Request for assistance in creating a tag.

2020-04-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t seems overlong and complex, so it would not have been my first choice: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/medical_service%3Aantiretroviral_therapy -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/13/20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > At present there is the key healtcare. > > https://

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pumps (wells and many other things)

2020-04-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. Maybe "pump_driver=*" is a better key? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 4/13/20, François Lacombe wrote: > Hi all > > RFC on pumping proposal is went really well, with significant progresses > made these past weeks thanks to useful comments received (see Talk). > https://wiki.openstre

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