On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Cartinus wrote:
The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering
section, based on that document major roads are broken up into
sections of 100km.
Relation: node for start, node for end, list of ways to connect from
start to end
It's probably
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Peter Childs wrote:
100km is the distance from hmm Washington
to Baltimore or London to Oxford (give or take) if your going to only
survey a few points in that distance,
Each main road in my area will be easily 70 to 140km in length
eg Hay to Balranald is 129km.
The
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Sam Vekemans wrote:
eye... i, i ie :0)
But of course the landuse us 'unknown' by default. .. so what needs to be
done is to go around and find out what the actual landuse is.
... of course there are voids there are voids all over the map of black
space. :)
Sam, just
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, Anthony wrote:
And I don't
want dotted lines when these passages are rendered - because if I look
at that I'm going to expect something that goes underground,
dotted lines on an Australian map would make me expect that the way was
unsurfaced
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Paul Johnson wrote:
I should probably point out that not all roundabouts are one-way.
That's a traffic circle
I have researched this point..
Liz
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
Yep. In river water there is less than 500 ppm of dissolved salts. So, rent
a boat, take water samples at determined positions and measure the
conductivity.
(Just kidding... :-) )
I just had to look this up
converted 500ppm to EC units
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
the cycleway tag means that you can cycle along without
having to get off and port your bicycle over a fence
But Liz, this definition isn't on the wiki. Have you documented your
definition *somewhere*? How am I supposed to know that you mean
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote:
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
So, what's your definition of cycleway?
Do you mean the tag, or the reality? If the reality, then I could
describe several classes of bike path and multiuse path and pedestrian
path.
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
So here's my (proposed) scheme:
highway=path (deprecate footway and cycleway!!)
Any support for
path=foot
path=cycle
path=horse
path being distinct from highway (more work needed on this)
highway for motorised vehicles who may (?!) share
path not for
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Richard Mann wrote:
There's an awful lot of cycleways already, so your definition has to
recognise that.
I assume that something which is marked as a cycleway really is one
The argument in Europe is whether cycleways are by default
shared (UK / Dutch norm), or by default
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Richard Mann wrote:
highway=cycleway only used for well-engineered public/permanant cycle
tracks (ie could you safely do 20kph on it)
I'm hoping to find some better engineering definitions for this, but this is
my preferred general concept for 'cycleway'
)
A way can have an incline, but it needs a three dimensional description.
Please remove from the wiki all the efforts of the failed_mathematics group
at trying to describe a point with an incline, because it is rubbish.
Liz
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
An incline is more or less a gradient. From Wikipedia: The gradient
of H at a point is a vector pointing in the direction of the steepest
slope or grade at that point. A point can have a gradient, and thus
an incline.
you'd better read better than that
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, Alex Mauer wrote:
Your criteria for a “well-suited” cycle way are inapplicable to many
cycleways. One big example is mountain bike trails, which fail nearly
all of them: good surface, smoothness, gentle curves, signs giving
priority to bicycles, and possibly navigability.
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010, Steve Bennett wrote:
The asymmetry arises from the requirements of the modes of transport:
anything that a bike can ride on, a pedestrian can walk on - but not vice
versa.
except for the poor germans, who must not walk on a cycleway
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010, Steve Bennett wrote:
Yeah actually you're probably right - even emergency services probably
can't just drive through private land to get to an emergency.
In NSW, the fire services can do as they please in those circumstances.
down from high
voltages to medium voltages is a substation
So we can ignore power=station
and have electricity generation plants, with subkeys for oil, gas, coal,
nuclear, wind, methane, whatever
have substations
and have transformers
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Ulf Lamping wrote:
d) I don't think it's a good idea to change a tag description two years
after it was documented, because the wording is slightly wrong for
some parts of the english speaking world. Because doing so is an
annoyance for anyone involved and the wording
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Ulf Lamping wrote:
But till today, no one came up with a good idea for such a process,
willing to spend the effort to implement it and - this is probably the
critical point - could convince a wide majority of mappers that
following his idea/process is a good thing.
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
We map everything we can. And POIs btw is one big reason for lot of
people to map.
Originally I didn't realise that there was no special reason for which shops
had tagged and which didn't, so I only 'collected' POIs which had tags
already. Now I
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, David Earl wrote:
I still think the most important criterion is what the owner of the
establishment says it is, not on the subjective judgement of the surveyor.
David
In Au McDonalds call themselves Family Restaurants and I call them Fast
Food.
The subjective work of
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Richard Welty wrote:
so should a reference route designation that isn't on a sign go in a ref
tag or not? the wiki doesn't
discuss this. if ref shouldn't have this, perhaps a variant on ref is
needed?
Those sort of 'internal reference numbers' are used heavily in New
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote:
If I form an opinion stating 2m is narrow and someone forms an opinion
stating 4m is narrow how is that helpful in the least?
Narrow on foot or narrow in a truck imply different widths.
So I'm in favour of estimating a width for this purpose, and not
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Kim Slotte kim.slo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Since the voting is a bit half-way I request your attention to get it
finalized:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Cycleway_condition
There seem
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, specimail-for...@yahoo.fr wrote:
Hi everyone !
There is a (not by me) proposed feature shop=estate_agent:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Estate_Agent
It is already used, as stated on wiki page.
Thank you for voting.
Djam
Devil's Advocate
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
If a user is bad at estimating widths I suggest that he measures the
exact width. Still narrow is not a good solution to the problem as
many posters have already written above.
I reckon 3 paces would be more helpful than narrow
Australia
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 22 February 2010 18:54, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I reckon 3 paces would be more helpful than narrow
Paces of a short or tall person? :)
well they could add in the notes that they are 170cm tall and walking on
crutches if they like
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:40 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
Pick which ever has the most widespread use and document it.
Hmm now that I check again, [1] lists a few hundred uses of
source:position, but only 2 uses of source:location.
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote:
From http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beach
Beach areas should always meet with a natural=coastline way. Do not use
this tag for patches of sand/gravel which are not by a coastline. Note
that the natural=coastline should ideally be positioned at the
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, Roy Wallace wrote:
The only alternative I see is landuse=beach, which I think would be
ok, if there were a clear distinction between this and natural=beach.
For a beach created by dumping a bunch of sand in the middle of a
city, to me, that's pretty clearly landuse=beach.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, antony.king wrote:
On 20 April 2010 09:27, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 April 2010 18:18, antony.king antony.k...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
I'd like to get voting underway this weekend if possible, depending of
course on what issues are raised.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, antony.king wrote:
Hi all,
re
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Playground_Equipment
I'd like to get this proposal finalized fairly soon as it has been
open for a month now. There has been a lot of useful discussion
already which I have taken on
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote:
Has anyone else tagged oyster beds?
The only thing close on the wiki I can find is proposed reef:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reef
Is this the most suitable scheme?
oyster beds suggests aquaculture
aquaculture needs a
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote:
reef suggests natural, and oyster beds suggest man_made
Well that's wrong, since they keep sinking ships to make dive reefs.
and then they are called artificial reefs eg
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/22/2826761.htm
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 23 April 2010 21:54, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
and then they are called artificial reefs eg
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/22/2826761.htm
I find it some what amusing that someone documented natural=reef and
then documented natural
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Alexander Sidorov wrote:
Hello!
I am writing an application that queries OSM buildings. Please tell me what
is the common way of tagging buildings. Do they usually have names (I'm
talking about usual buildings, not places of interest)? What does usually
name contain:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, Alan Mintz wrote:
At 2010-04-28 12:40, Xan wrote:
How can i tag compass rose, like that
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:RosaDeLosVientosTorreDeHercules.jpg
or wind rose?
I like man_made=compass_rose . Based on the wikipedia article, it seems the
more current
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Jonathan Bennett wrote:
To be consistent, your example above should really be:
what is it... a shop
what sort of shop... food shop...
what sort of food... ready cooked food or food that still needs
cooking/preparing
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On Thu, 6 May 2010, Richard Welty wrote:
On 5/6/10 9:15 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
This leads to a new proposal: discount=yes to discriminate
discounters. Could be used in addition for supermarkets, department
stores and maybe others.
usable with any shop= where appropriate? i can
On Fri, 7 May 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 7 May 2010 07:03, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
well, yes, but within the US at least, i think there's broad agreement
that one tier of department
store (walmart, kmart, target) is discount with respect to another
(macys, pennys,
On Fri, 7 May 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 7 May 2010 15:54, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:
Periodically along US highways, there are giant scales for trucks to get
a weight certificate to comply with various laws. How should these be
tagged? How about:
On Sat, 8 May 2010, Craig Wallace wrote:
barrier=bus_trap
it's listed on the Key:barrier page, but without any description. Though
I assume its for something like a bus trap, as described on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_trap
they could be sump_buster - depends what the
On Sat, 15 May 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
what if someone decides not to cut his grass? It would IMHO still be a
garden.
My grass is rarely cut (climatic reasons) and we have left the main grassed
area to become /meadow/.
It's not a garden now in any English term, and is a /yard/.
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote:
You have animals grazing? Or perhaps you cut it for hay or silage? If
not then it's just an unkempt garden, just letting the grass grow
doesn't make it a meadow, except perhaps in pretentious gardening
programmes :)
I guess you assumed I lived in a
On Sat, 15 May 2010, Chris Hill wrote:
No I didn't assume anything, except that what you have is land attached
to a house. That is a garden. Green or not, maintained or not. Decked,
paved or grassed, cultivated or not. A meadow is agricultural land.
still wrong, the area under discussion
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Hi,
I see that there is a feature suggestion for adding wine roads on the map.
How should that be done? Is tourism=wine_road ok? Should roads be
added into a new relation?
I see only that Slovenians are talking about this, but still there is
no
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Cartinus wrote:
By your reasoning we should not use religion=christian with denomination=
either, but put whatever is in denomination= into religion=.
No, a major belief system has subcategories. that's not a problem
but I don't think that the items grouped as pagan are
On Sat, 29 May 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
No, a major belief system has subcategories. that's not a problem
but I don't think that the items grouped as pagan are subcategories of
a major belief system called 'pagan
I photograph and then tag as many things as possible when out mapping.
Today I was looking at a light industrial area
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_industry
and there are no suitable tags for factories and workshops
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workshop
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Pieren wrote:
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Are you talking about a landuse area, a building polygon, a site relation ?
Pieren
not landuse really because that wouldn't need a new Key, landuse=industrial
would be a simple thing
- a means
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote:
Option 1
Industrial=factory/workshop
I don't like this key. To me, that reads this feature is an
*industrial*, of type *factory*, or the *industrial* of this feature
is a *factory*. Maybe
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Do you suggest to add specific tags for factory components like
assembly lines, soldering facilities, bottling plants, ...? This will
become very extensive for all kind of factories that exist, but why
not?
Whatever is decided should be
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote:
You'd use the length of stay, temporary or permanent to differentiate
between them, although some could have facilities to handle both?
no
we have homes for children who are physically handicapped and live permanently
in these facilities, about 5 or 6 kids
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/6/2 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com:
I'm not sure if I should start a new thread for this, but John:
shouldn't the node's role be tower, not transponder?
i.e. the *relation* represents the transponder (hence
type=transponder), but the
On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, pavithran wrote:
Hi ,
I am looking for an appropriate tag for a place where women/girls go
to get some facial/hair/eyebrows done . They are called beauty
parlours . I could find something for hair dressers .
But here I am looking for
* Beauty fixes
* sex=male/female
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
if you see it in its historical context, it does look much more like a
tower though:
http://www.checkpoint-bravo.de/grafik/ausstellung.jpg
It isn't a tower, but it functioned as a watchtower
So is a tower in OSM going to be the form, or the
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote:
Some of the fitness equipment areas also have sign boards indicating
how you can use them, playgrounds don't usually come with
instructions.
Found one at Glenelg in an unmarked park
http://osm.org/go/uFw6q9Jp6-
which is new with outdoor versions of
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Liz wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, John Smith wrote:
I think we would be better classifying things based on approximate air
traffic per day, the number of run ways, and so no, alternatively we
could just tag these things individually:
air_traffic=1000
runways=10
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.946466lon=-75.124744zoom=18layers=B
000FTF Cooper Street and Delaware Avenue are four-lane roads, with light
rail/tram tracks in the outer lanes. Obviously one could simply apply
railway=* to the highway, but
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Craig Wallace wrote:
Industrial supplies is a more generic term, which can include builder's
merchants, or timber yards, or agricultural supplies, or a variety of
other industries.
So a tag shop=industrial_supplies can cover all of these, plus an
appropriate sub-tag to
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010, pavithran wrote:
Hi,
I was very much surprised that a football ( the ball kicked by foot)
which I tagged has shown a different ball in osmarendering . It is
showing a ball used by american football .
Some of the IRC discussion I had said that its 'ambiguous' though I
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010, pavithran wrote:
On 15 June 2010 07:09, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
In fact I'd be tempted to call them a specialised college's and
sub-tag from there.
In India colleges are mostly (99 %) bound by academic regulation from
higher education boards/
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, John Smith wrote:
On 8 July 2010 21:31, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:
I do not like the name conditions, by the way, because I think it does
not cover the time aspect, but maybe that is just because I am not a
native speaker.
The name condition describes the
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Richard Mann wrote:
winery: no such word in en_gb, we just use vineyard for the whole
operation (though of course we don't do these things on the same scale
as Australia). Unless you're going to distinguish between shop=winery
and shop=vineyard, I'd use the more generic
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Tobias Knerr wrote:
There is no single appropriate categorization for all purposes.
Therefore, categorization of features is a renderer decision and
shouldn't be hardcoded into tagging.
So I propose a new Key thing and we can put everything under thing.
Let's never worry
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Toby Murray wrote:
Then I guess a question would be would pharmacies be medical=pharmacy
or remain shop=pharmacy?
When I visited Holland (probably before you lot were born) the pharmacy sold
only pharmaceuticals. It would be a medical=pharmacy.
In Australia the
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Dave F. wrote:
In an emergency you don't give damn where that building is, just how
quickly the ambulance can get to you.
Emergency should be used for items that you need to find in an emergency.
sorry, mate I don't agree
I do need to know where that building is, and that
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Dave F. wrote:
Actually it does, it splits things away from let's dump everything in
the amenity key space...
There's nothing wrong with that.
It doesn't cause a problem.
I guess you have never tried to find a tag description on the wiki then.
You will just have to
Before this list existed, the need for a dry_weather_only tag was disputed on
talk.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/02/2970371.htm
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On Tue, 3 Aug 2010, Anthony wrote:
Is a 90km/h primary road safe bikeable?
I know people who would be willing to ride a bicycle on a 55 mph
primary road with no shoulder and one lane in each direction (not that
I can think of such a road, other than maybe a few short bridges).
Add in a
On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Liz wrote:
I can think of plenty and they are bicycle safe - even on the trunk road
with a limit of 110kmh
but they are not high traffic roads, crossing roads are few
http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=3182
That's on the Cobb Highway.
Shoulder is not rideable
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:20:33 +0100, Richard Mann wrote:
Most of these call themselves vineyards
http://www.englishwineproducers.com/scvineyard.htm
Do they actually have a vineyard on site? At least locally (US:OR), a
winery can't call itself a
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Paul Johnson wrote:
Why would this matter?
I don't know
Are there actually places where it's legal to
operate off the hard surface when the road is paved?
Yes
25 years ago in outback Queensland the tightfisted government of the
gerrymander king, Joh Bjelke-Peteresen,
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Pieren wrote:
From the wiki it looks like something smaller or more restricted than a
regular residential street, but bigger than a driveway.
It's not smaller, physically it's a residential street that is transformed
to a living street. The difference is the very low
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Steve Bennett wrote:
Wish there was an agriculture=* tag. Life could be simple:
well living in an agricultural area
I'd start with
agriculture=
rice
wheat
hops
barley
canola (modified rape seed CAnadaOiLa)
grapes (subtypes table/wine or variety)
citrus (subtypes needed)
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Paul Johnson wrote:
We need to come up with a better way to map and tag autonomous regions,
particularly in North America. The talk page for the boundary= suggests
that an administrative boundary is not the right tag; and I couldn't
disagree more.
As a Cherokee, I find
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Cartinus wrote:
Concluding less than six hours after your initial post to this mailinglist
that nobody has a problem with what you propose is: youthfull exuberance ?
impatience ? It is certainly is not the way to go.
6 hours isn't one rotation of the earth, and certainly
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Tom Chance wrote:
Just to help summarise, with these proposals we end up with:
power=generator (the starting point)
power_rating (to specify the watts generated)
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:power_rating
power_source (to specify the fuel type / energy
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Tom Chance wrote:
I note that too many tags are one-offs with no consideration of where
they fit
in an organised set of tags.
I've no idea what you mean. Could you explain?
Example I need a tag for this item I'm standing next to. I'll call it
amenity=
Instead
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
(made of stone, wood, etc.), especially
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
You will find residential roads in
residental, commercial or industrial areas.
This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others?
you may.
The categories have strange names
and are used differently in different jurisdictions
so I map
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, just.st...@lesve.org wrote:
Claudius Henrichs wrote, On 2010-08-22 18:31:
Am 22.08.2010 16:20, LeSve:
How should I map a statue (Monument) so the reendering will se it.
Specially in mapnik version.
Maybe it is not possible ?
/LeSve
Depending on the
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Peter Körner wrote:
Am 24.08.2010 10:43, schrieb Élisée Reclus:
Am 24.08.2010 10:08, schrieb Peter Körner:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/Key:craft
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:MaZderMind/DE:Key:craft
Are artists, computer experts,
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Elena of Valhalla wrote:
on the way that marks the boundary of lakes etc. I would expect the
ele key to tag the average height of the water surface, since that is
what is constant on the whole lake
I live in a land of drought and flooding rains (apologies to the poet). So
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Elena of Valhalla wrote:
but is the bottom of such lakes a flat surface with a constant
elevation? if it isn't, such a value wouldn't be meaningful as well
on some it is
eg Lake Cargelligo is almost flat at the bottom - I've seen it empty
and others are obviously not
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Anthony wrote:
Grass is a legitimate surface for a footway. That doesn't mean that
all grass is part of a footway, any more than all asphalt is part of a
road.
This is very cultural.
Au city situation
The part of the Road Reserve which is between the property boundary of
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Matthias Meißer wrote:
Sry I don't understand your point. If you limit a sports shop saying
sports=football it is clear that he spots on football related things
only, right?
well that would be four different sports covered immediately in Australia
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
yes, you can see that arthur st/wastell ct. in the east has an
informal footway (the one of the link I modified from yours), in the
west it hasn't. You can also see it on the nearmap aerial (even though
it is a bit hard to see it because it hides
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010, Sean Horgan wrote:
Thanks for the reply John.
I found this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Shelter,
but this seems specific to recreation.
You could place a tag on the homeless_shelter to cover the demographic
served, i.e. women, children, etc.
i
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:39:53 +0200
Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote:
That's one thing I've never really understood with railway=abandoned
either. Sure, many of them have been converted into might fine
cycleways, but that's just what they are now: cycleways.
You can abandon a railway and still
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