Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Gerd Petermann wrote: > I'd like to see that the existing highway=access_ramp > > are changed to the well known > > highway=footway > > wheelchair=yes > > in combination with > > incline=x% I have a question about this. I think I

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Location transitions

2016-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
What about a pole where the cable continues both overhead and underground ? This is a pretty common case in Belgium. The overhead cables are on one side of the street and in order to connect the houses on the other side of the road, the cable also continues under the ground. See e.g. [1], [2]

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Marc Gemis
just after sending this I realised it would be better to have non-compulsory highway=x cycleway=lane bicycle:lanes=yes|designated vehicle:lanes=yes|no and compulsory highway=x cycleway=lane bicycle:lanes=no|designated vehicle:lanes=yes|no On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Marc Gemis <marc

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-26 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Joachim wrote: > The question is: Are there somewhere on this world non-compulsory > cycle lanes (cycleway=lane)? If yes, we have two possibilities: what about highway=x cycleway=lane bicycle:lanes=yes|yes vehicle:lanes=yes|no for

Re: [Tagging] boundary relations and the subarea property

2015-11-27 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > 172385 something like http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/cY4 ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Opening hours, default for public holidays

2015-11-20 Thread Marc Gemis
In Belgium banks are closed on public holidays, even some special ones like July 11 (only Flemish part). Bakeries on the other side are typically open on Sundays and public holidays. Even when the public holiday falls on their usual closing day. Butchers are closed on Sundays and PHs, but

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: > http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/LeaK3riwsMuv7f0i3Jt3XA/photo I would tag the crossing as a node and the "table" as part of the way, not as a node. but a combination of highway=crossing; traffic_calming=table on a node could

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:14 AM, Bryan Housel wrote: > I don’t really buy the “mapping sidewalks as part of the road makes routing > easier" argument, but I don’t work on routing software so maybe there really > is something complicated about routing that I am unaware of.

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Marc Gemis
. [1] http://osm.org/go/0EpBawFQ?m= [2] http://osm.org/go/0EjrPCeh?m= On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:28 AM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote: > > >> On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The problem with separate ways,

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Gerd Petermann wrote: > One of the problems that is not well solved is the switch > between both tagging schemes. When I start to draw > extra ways for the sidewalk, where do i stop this and how > do I connect the sidewalk with the

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Marc Gemis
t;p...@trigpoint.me.uk> wrote: > On Tue Nov 24 13:40:38 2015 GMT, Marc Gemis wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> wrote: >> > >> > Sidewalks, unless they are physically separated in some way are an >> > integral part

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Sidewalks, unless they are physically separated in some way are an > integral part of the highway. Sidewalk tags can allow a router to, maybe > prefer, roads with sidewalks but there a lot of cases where this would >

Re: [Tagging] Opening hours, default for public holidays

2015-11-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Please read the discussion from May this year why several people thought it is a bad idea: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/24247 regards m On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > Hi, > > the wiki page describes that "PH

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Street Parking Restrictiion)

2016-01-08 Thread Marc Gemis
I only looked at it briefly, but can it be combined with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane ? m On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Paul Simpson wrote: > Dear All, > > I am sending this RFC in order to receive some feedback regarding my OSM > feature

Re: [Tagging] Turn Lane Tagging?

2016-06-10 Thread Marc Gemis
I must admit I have never seen none;slight_right in any of the lane tagging. None is only used in cases where there are no arrows on the ground for that particular lane. Furthermore empty is also not a valid value. Empty is only valid in e.g. maxspeed:lanes to indicate that the lane has the

Re: [Tagging] Turn Lane Tagging?

2016-06-12 Thread Marc Gemis
The tag proposal is still in draft. Imagic did not like the approval process too much (as far as I understood) for this type of tags and preferred to try out the tag with a small group to see whether it works before going forward with the approval procedure. I can't disagree with this. Too many

Re: [Tagging] Please don't think name_1 tags are errors.

2016-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Obviously we wouldn't want people to tag the whole assortment of a > supermarket like this, but due to the amount of work the risk is low. I'll agree with what you wrote, but I still wonder how you

Re: [Tagging] Jewelry/jewellery shops

2016-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
sue, we should go out and do something useful: add something to the map :-) regards m On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2016-01-14 9:24 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>: >> >> +1 to accept the curr

Re: [Tagging] Jewelry/jewellery shops

2016-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > On 13.01.2016 23:46, Matthijs Melissen wrote: >> >> We currently use British English for almost all OSM tags. Jewellery >> shops however are typically tagged with the American English variant >> shop=jewelry (20083

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-08 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > The Dutch shop Hubo, which might fit the Hardware definition better, > is tagged 23 times as shop=doityourself and only 4 times as > shop=hardware. The Hubo shop I know best (Reet, Belgium) sells fencing,

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-09 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Of course the problem with using size to distinguish between hardware > and doityourself is what to do with intermediary cases. How would you > classify, for instance, a store like this? >

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-12 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:34 AM, johnw wrote: > #1 ) as discussed, develop borad categories to classify stores (hardware/ > builder supply / DIY) > > #2 ) come up with descriptions for sections (usually what the isles would be > named) for more detailed mapping. I assume for home

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

2016-01-27 Thread Marc Gemis
Other keys that might need multiple values: * barrier / fence_type : barbed wire with an electrified wire on top. A wall with barbed wire on top ,... We need some kind of vertical order here. * information: board / map. for those information spots that show a map of the area + a description of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging problem for a river running in a culvert below a track / wiki votes enforcement

2016-01-26 Thread Marc Gemis
I thought levels are just relative to one another. So we just need to indicate which "way" is above the other. This could be with numbers 1000 and 1001 as well as 0 and 1 or -2 and 5. It's just by convention that tunnels are typically mapped as -1 (except for building_passages under houses) and

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

2016-01-27 Thread Marc Gemis
As real world examples: * cuisine * ref on Street cabinets * destinations ? On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Dear all, > > I have created a proposal page as a channel for constructive debate about > the way forward. I hope you will all take a look

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

2016-01-27 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28/01/2016 4:52 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >> Other keys that might need multiple values: >> >> * barrier / fence_type : barbed wire with an electrified wire on top. >> A wall with bar

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

2016-01-27 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Excluding the argument that "that's the way it is now, why change", are > there any arguments in favour of a value-based approach? If we were looking > at this problem as if we were designing OSM on a clean whiteboard,

Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

2016-02-24 Thread Marc Gemis
Taginfo is just reporting numbers. It can be hard to do a correct interpretation of those numbers - impact of an import / mechanical edit - impact of presets in editors - impact of a vocal member in a local community that is followed by a group of local mappers - impact of a crazy mapper (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] Structured approach to the multi-value discussion

2016-02-25 Thread Marc Gemis
I think Colin Smale already set up such a page, see Examples on [1] This was part of a longer discussion earlier this year [2] Some examples that were mentioned in the thread are missing I think: e.g. turn:lanes and opening_hours. regards m [1]

Re: [Tagging] Tagging scrapyards, junkyards

2016-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Far better to use longer, more descriptive words/phrases which are less > likely to lead to major differences in interpretation across the entire > world, English-speaking and otherwise. We shouldn't be wasting energy >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - recycling:coffee_capsules

2016-01-26 Thread Marc Gemis
I would just use it. It fit undoubtedly in the current tagging scheme. regards m On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:06 PM, wrote: > Hello > > This is a reminder. Please vote... Or maybe we'll just use it. I am not > shure if you tried to say me that voting is useless because we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-27 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > can hardly believe you don't have official versions of names for > administrative areas in France, so the current tagging definitely is > improvable (because you cannot see which is this official name by

Re: [Tagging] man_made=mast for non communication uses?

2016-02-18 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > "High masts may be fastened to ground with guy wires." > > actually any mast may be fastened to the ground by guy wires, also low ones. > I propose to remove the word "high". Does "Masts may be fastened to

Re: [Tagging] do aerodromes need a relation?

2016-04-08 Thread Marc Gemis
I have no idea, but the way should not include the "Delhaize" supermarket, the Shell station and probably most other buildings under Brucargo. They are not part of the airport. m. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:06 PM, joost schouppe wrote: > Hi, > > Currently, the main

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Putting brand=X on a shop would indicate the branding of the shop, not > necessarily the brands which are sold within. These days (certainly in the > 4-wheeled world) we are seeing less single-branded shops/showrooms and

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > So maybe we should not use brand=* on the "shop" itself, but something like > product:car:brands=BMW;Mini to refer to the products, NOT to the external > appearance of the shop. After all, we are not listing the

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

2016-03-03 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Am 03.03.2016 um 14:41 schrieb Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>: >> >> I'l agree that when there are separate tags for rental and repair >> there is no need for sal

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

2016-03-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Here in Chiang Mai motorcycle rental shops are common as well. Rentals from > a motorcycle dealer are not. Don't know much about motorcycles, but for caravans or campers it is not unusual that you can rent one in a

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-05 Thread Marc Gemis
I like this, but have a few question: - Do we always place brand at the end ? e.g. sells:cloths:children:Mói=yes or sells:cloths:Mói:children=yes ? - Can we somehow define whether one should use sells:cloths:children vs. sells:children_cloths what I mean can we put forward some "rules" or

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:01 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > This an attempt to subvert the present creation of other tag/s (by stealth) > that, in my view, can be much better. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sells One problem I see at this moment, is that there

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-06 Thread Marc Gemis
of what that shop is promoting rather than > seeing time and effort spent on this kind of unsustainable detail. > > Just my humble opinion. > > -Original Message- From: Warin > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 7:52 AM > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re:

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Frankly, with OSM not being a business directory, I don't even think the > particulars about what a shop sells should be mapped, except perhaps in > some limited cases Frederik, please list those cases, as I want to

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

2016-03-03 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2016-03-03 13:21 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>: >> >> In combination with service=yes or rental=yes, sale/sells=no makes >> sense, not ? > > > >

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

2016-03-03 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > How many motorcycle shops do not sell something? In combination with service=yes or rental=yes, sale/sells=no makes sense, not ? In case the shop=motorcycle has to be used for places where you can only rent or

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Have to? Is there some law or regulation in Belgium? I think it's required by BMW and VW/Audi. (or the company that does the imports for the brand into Belgium). I believe they even can't sell BMW motorcycles from the

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Even if this happens in Belgium, it is clear that we have to accommodate > multi-brand dealerships in our tagging scheme because it most definitely > does occur elsewhere. From what I understood from Frederik's mail, he

Re: [Tagging] Draft of proposal tag 'sells' for shops..

2016-03-06 Thread Marc Gemis
Thanks Frederik, that makes sense to me. On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 03/07/2016 06:47 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: >> Is e.g. brand for shop=car, amenity=fuel, amenity=bank acceptable ? > > The word "br

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

2016-03-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Because something has been in existence does not mean it cannot ever be > changed! > Consider the power sub station ... that was gradually changed to a new > tagging scheme. But it can take years :-(, 1/4 of the

Re: [Tagging] tagging sport=shotput or sport=shot_put?

2016-03-29 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 3:33 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Good, one thing we agree on. > > Yay. I note 'we' are the only two participants. Such is voluntary democracy. > Anyone else want to give some support one way of the other?? It started out as a question on spelling for a tag:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Education 2.0

2016-04-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Шишкин Александр (Shishkin Ale wrote: > I assume that tags related to education that have been approved and do not > have "education" key should remain (not sure what to do with unapproved > tags). I cannot advise on that. Not everybody is

Re: [Tagging] tagging 'showground'?

2016-04-24 Thread Marc Gemis
Warin, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed on this mailing list before, but I can't find the thread. Maybe you have more luck, perhaps when you search for synonyms. However, I did find something from the Australian mailing list

Re: [Tagging] tagging 'showground'?

2016-04-25 Thread Marc Gemis
the one that I remembered was this thread: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-March/016768.html on leisure=events Is this similar to what you want to tag ? m. On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> Il

Re: [Tagging] building=digester

2016-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > And as a side note I could say: > Combining man_made=* AND building=* on the same object (as is often done to > make it appear on the map) is as wrong as using highway=* and waterway=* on > the same object. It is

Re: [Tagging] Mapping pergolas/arbors

2016-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Why not the established shelter_type [1], which is used over 69.000 times according to taginfo [2] [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type [2] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=shelter_type On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 6:09 AM, David Swarthout wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

2016-05-22 Thread Marc Gemis
=windmill. In which case we repeat the same information. What do you think ? regards m On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 21/05/2016 06:37, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >> No, I wouldn't expect that, but I would expect e.g. windmill, >&g

Re: [Tagging] building=digester

2016-05-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > That's because everything that is a building should be tagged as a building” so I looked at the wikipedia definition of building [1], and their definition of non-buildings [2] At this moment I think that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Parklets

2016-05-09 Thread Marc Gemis
the picture in the forum is the same as the one on the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parklet On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon May 9 08:36:09 2016 GMT+0100, Hakuch wrote: >> just for your information, there is a discussion

[Tagging] building=digester

2016-05-18 Thread Marc Gemis
Triggered by a discussion on the Dutch forum I looked at the building page [1] again. I noticed a new value: digester I wonder whether it wouldn't be better to put this under man_made [2] just as we do with gasometer, hot water tank and similar constructions. what do you think ? regards m

Re: [Tagging] Suggested way to map disputed country borders

2016-05-06 Thread Marc Gemis
there is already a proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DisputedTerritories m. On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Rory McCann wrote: > Hi, > > The subject of disputed country borders came up on help.osm.org > again[1], specifically about India and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Education 2.0

2016-04-15 Thread Marc Gemis
would be a mess and headache to sort and retrieve information. IMHO, it is > much better to have alternative advanced tagging system from which data > users can benefit much (e.g. search by school's speciality). > 14.04.2016 19:00, Marc Gemis пишет: > >> but then you should cle

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Education 2.0

2016-04-14 Thread Marc Gemis
regards m On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Александр Шишкин <kederm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I (or anyone else) can not just force mappers to use or not to use > certain tags. Only way to deal with it is to give them better way to tag > things. That's what this proposal is ab

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for palapa

2016-07-24 Thread Marc Gemis
what about amenity=shelter + shelter_type=palapa ? On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Alejandro S. wrote: > Loos like building=roof + new tag for refinement? > > Atentamente, > Alejandro Suárez > > On 24 July 2016 at 22:22, Tod Fitch wrote: >> >>

Re: [Tagging] State parks and state forests: specific tagging question, general mapping philosophy

2016-07-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > It's also a decision that can be deferred. Enabling hstore while keeping > the existing columns would be Mostly Harmless, particularly if the keys Isn't one of the problems that they would have to reimport the

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 7:15 AM, markus schnalke wrote: > The visibility is surely an advantage. (btw: Is there a map style > that shows sidwalk=*?) > ITO World has a map for "walkable cities": http://product.itoworld.com/map/126#fullscreen regards m

Re: [Tagging] Proposal for standardization of sidewalk schema (+ import)

2016-08-04 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > I tested out the proposed mapping/tagging scheme in my local area > (http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/40.49192/-105.05655 - not claiming I > did it perfectly). I didn't think it was especially difficult. Drawing the >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of larger surfaces for rendering and routing

2016-08-14 Thread Marc Gemis
IMHO, the value of the highway tag should define its use, not the surface from which it is made. So highway=pedestrian (or service or ...), surface=grass; area=yes makes more sense to me (or would you start defining highway=paving_stones, cobblestones, etc. as well ?). A renderer could look at

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of larger surfaces for rendering and routing

2016-08-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:24 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: > Personally I find highway=service, surface=grass, area=yes appropriate for > the camping site but not when it rendered as paved road. Then you have to create/search for/ask for a renderer that displays the data in the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag high water marks (flood marks)?

2016-07-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Filip Mleczek wrote: > How to describe whether it is left or the right bank of the river? > Can I use riverbank=left/right? > Or better will be riverbank:side=left/right? > > Water mile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_mile is

Re: [Tagging] subway_entrance

2016-07-07 Thread Marc Gemis
what about wheelmap.org [1] ? it shows whether an entrance is accessible for wheelchair users. Not everything is visible on osm.org, but sometimes you can use alternate OSM-based maps. m [1] http://wheelmap.org/en/map#/popup/1274040743?lat=51.50811726643938=-0.1252618432044983=london=19 On

Re: [Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

2016-07-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: > For example: > - in most of rural Belgium, " " is used (as in > http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/59518#map=17/51.23869/4.57898=T) There was some kind of vote on the Belgian mailing list a few years ago to chose

Re: [Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

2016-07-07 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Jo wrote: > > And I know it's possible to deduce those village names from the geometries, > but we don't all have geodatabase functionality available all of the time, > to make that calculation over and over, and over again. We do not repeat

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 83, Issue 3

2016-08-02 Thread Marc Gemis
There has been some research by German students about pedestrian routing. They (Nathanael Lang & Jakob Miksch) gave both a presentation at FOSSGIS 2016 (http://www.fossgis-konferenz.de/2016/videos/) unfortunately there presentations are in German. I guess you might be able to find some papers by

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:41 PM, yo paseopor wrote: >> I would expect that each value for destination only occurs a small >> number of times, especially when there are multiple destinations. Why >> would a certain combination of destinations occurs more than a handful >> of

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:09 AM, yo paseopor wrote: > And if you search top100 list there are only 12 values with semicolon , 2 > with comma . All these values together are only 1792 tagged values...from > 71665 total values. I would expect that each value for destination

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Why is destination:X better than a list with semi-colons ? I think that semi-colons in the destination tags are already to wide-spread to be stopped. Data consumers like OsmAnd have no problem with the semi-colons. m On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 3:21 PM, yo paseopor wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Mark Bradley wrote: > Count me as one of those that wishes OpenStreetMap were more structured. As > Colin said, choices have to be made, and not everyone will be happy. Empower > some folks to make decisions (after thoughtful

Re: [Tagging] Destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > On 2017-01-23 20:12, Marc Gemis wrote: > > OSM is driven by people that implement something, not by people > discussing stuff on a mailing list. > > That model works fine when it comes to e

Re: [Tagging] Moving forwards with multi-valued attributes

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > There's no obvious solution in the case where multiply-valued keys need to > be kept in correspondence, which appears to be what prompted the current > discussion. It's not obvious that the present data model can

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
tools such as http://osm.mueschelsoft.de/cgi-bin/render.pl support the semi-column notation, not the number notation. I assume most destination signs in Germany and neighbouring countries are using the semi-column notation. On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:00 PM, yo paseopor

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-16 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:10 AM, John Willis wrote: > Mapping the drum volume is best, then KG/lbs, then "loads". We can fuzzily > convert between them - at least as well as the people in the industry ca AFAIK, in Belgium the drum volume is never mentioned, only the kilograms. I

[Tagging] Dead hedge

2017-02-13 Thread Marc Gemis
How do you map a dead hedge? As barrier=hedge or barrier=fence with some appropriate fence_type e.g. dead_hedge ? m ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dead hedge

2017-02-13 Thread Marc Gemis
Hill" <o...@raggedred.net>: > Wait until spring to see if it is really dead? :-) > > -- > cheers > Chris Hill (chillly) > > On 13/02/2017 20:13, Marc Gemis wrote: > >> >> How do you map a dead hedge? >> As barrier=hedge or barrier=fence wit

Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

2017-02-11 Thread Marc Gemis
You could add lanes:both_ways=1 turn:lanes:both_ways=left regards m On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Albert Pundt wrote: > Consider High Street in downtown Carlisle, PA. It is one lane each way, with > a wide space as wide as a travel lane in the middle, but not used for

Re: [Tagging] Places for rent for personal events

2017-02-14 Thread Marc Gemis
amenity=events_venue perhaps ? see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Devents_venue regards m On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Severin Menard wrote: > Hi, > > is there a tag for places that are specifically for rent to organize social > events, private

Re: [Tagging] Missing oneway:bicycle=no

2017-02-15 Thread Marc Gemis
This is not what is mentioned on other pages: (part of my mail to the Belgian mailing list) oneway:bicycle=no + cycleway=track/lane is recommended, see e.g. M1 on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle opposite_lane should only be used when there is a lane in the opposite direction of the

Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

2017-02-12 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > I'd consider mapping it as a dual carriageway. I don't know what the > law is in Pennsylvania, but here in Idaho, a doubled double-yellow > line is the legal equivalent of a physical barrier: you are not allowed > to

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
ant to buy ? Isn't it easier to have some idea of what the shops sells and say I need a bakery, a butcher and a greengrocer ? Or bring me to supermarket ? m. m. On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 19-Jan-17 06:48 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread Marc Gemis
I guess that for every categorization, whether you use shop=x or, sell=x;y;z or sell:x=yes someone will come by and want to divide that category into two. So x will be split into x' and x'', both subcategories of x, until we end up with the categories containing exactly one product :-) imho we

Re: [Tagging] Public transport cards

2017-01-17 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > +1, In addition I would note that I have never met one single person who is > using OSM to plan his public transport journeys. I’m a very heavy user of > public transport and I always use the website from the

Re: [Tagging] Public transport cards

2017-01-17 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > +1, In addition I would note that I have never met one single person who is > using OSM to plan his public transport journeys. I’m a very heavy user of > public transport and I always use the website from the

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread Marc Gemis
I thought we went through this discussion on sell or vending a couple of months ago, where the fear was that we would start "importing" the sales catalogue of shops and that it would be very hard to maintain. A vending machine typically sells 1 type of product, so there it is more or less doable.

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > At what points along the way will you be able to buy; > milk > bread > vegetables > fruit > meat In Western Europe you go to a supermarket :-) And most likely you will find a fuel station on the premises as well. But I

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Which are the osm features that tell you in a reliable way if ice cream is > available? There are some (e.g. amenity=ice_cream), but if you rely only on > them you'll miss a lot of other places that might be

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-19 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 20-Jan-17 03:47 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: >> >> >> But your shopping list is pretty vague. As you already indicate by >> your sentence about fuel brand, > > > No, not a brand but a ra

[Tagging] Playgrounds/Play zones in forests

2016-09-10 Thread Marc Gemis
I encounter more and more playground ("play zones") in forests. These are areas were children can use the natural materials they find to build huts, bridges, etc. and run around freely outside the dedicated paths. Typically there is no playground equipment, although in some occasional cases you

Re: [Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

2016-09-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Except for JFK memorial en Voortrekkers monument, which look like OSM monuments to me m Op 19 sep. 2016 14:34 schreef "Martin Koppenhoefer" : > > 2016-09-19 13:17 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> there's only one memorial:type=cenotaph > > >

Re: [Tagging] Satellite visibility of archaeological sites

2016-08-25 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Bjoern Hassler wrote: > So - when I review an object (with no source information provided in the > tags), and can clearly see it on bing, then would it not be useful to add > this information to the tags, as a verification? We don't know how

Re: [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

2016-10-25 Thread Marc Gemis
I wonder whether a simple hunting=yes is sufficient. In Belgium you can only hunt for a limited period of the year and even within that period there are sub-periods for different animals. Hunting in Flanders is often on fields and meadows, but you have to stay at least 150m (AFAIK) away from the

Re: [Tagging] Proposal : amenity=baking_oven

2016-10-13 Thread Marc Gemis
But it also has a page with a list of all types of ovens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ovens on which ovens for baking and kilns are in separate categories. (which does not mean OSM has to follow the same categorisation) regards m On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Yvan Masson

Re: [Tagging] Added tables for values to key produce

2017-01-11 Thread Marc Gemis
. m. On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:17 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12-Jan-17 03:22 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > I thought crop was for farmland, produce for factories in case of > "natural" products such as dairy related goods. and product for > factories in

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