BTW, i find it very strange that there is a separte highway=* tag for
indoor "flat ways" (i.e. corridors), but not for steps. Any reasons for
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> an unused building remains a building, hence the building=* tag should be
> kept.
>
All disused physical objects i can imagine remain physical objects. Are you
saying that we shouldn't use disused: for physical objects?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019, 18:30 Andy Townsend, wrote:
> On 26/09/2019 17:09, Markus wrote:
> >
> > Thus, those disused toilets could be tagged:
> >
> > disused:building=toilets
> >
> No, it's still a building.
Yes, it's still a building (a toilets
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019, 17:50 Paul Allen, wrote:
> What is sad is that if renderers produce results that go against mappers'
> expectations,
> mappers will abuse tags to get the results they want and then the open
> data that you
> seem to feel is the most important part of the project becomes
tagging, by
using another prefix for closed services, e.g. was: or closed:, which are
both already in use (approx. 35,000 was: vs. approx. 600 closed:). Using
disused: for a closed service doesn't feel right anyway.
Thus, those disused toilets could be tagged:
disused:building=to
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019, 13:58 Michal Fabík, wrote:
> [...] JOSM was complaining but it's
> working fine when I display the route in OsmAnd or use it in navigation.
>
IIRC it's just a warning, because it might be an error (e.g. with
multipolygon relations).
d also twice in the
relation of the opposite route direction).
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> Usually the main land use should be the one that is most economically
> important, and also should take up the most land.
Most economically important including or excluding subsidies? In
Switzerland, farmers receive subsidies for standard
combinations with indoor=yes are
highway=footway + indoor=yes.
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> Or landuse=silvopasture.
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ncreases or decreases,
what is the case quite often (e.g. triangle with chevrons or diagonal
bars). But maybe something like dividers:width:start=* dividers:width:end=*
could be used if the increase is linear.
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that routers don't announce too late (i.e. when the lanes can't be
changed anymore) which lane one has to take.
Or is turn:lanes + change:lanes enough? (And what if there were no turn
lane markings?)
Thanks in advance for your help
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> Should this tag be added to the wiki page Map Features?
Yes, please.
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> Le 21.08.19 à 09:58, Markus a écrit :
> > Otherwise, we need a new relation (maybe type=stop_position?) to
> > connect the stop position to the waiting area
>
> imho that's why stop_area relation exist
According to th
ition?) to
connect the stop position to the waiting area, as the route relations
would only include one element (highway=bus_stop). Keeping the PTv2
route relations with platform and stop members just for these rare
cases doesn't make sense IMO.
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> it is just an excuse to insist on using pt=platform for things that aren’t
> platforms and justify it with saying it means waiting area.
To quote the PTv2 proposal page: "The platform is the place where
passengers are waiting for the
would have meant a real platform,
there were no PTv2 tag for the waiting area of a stop without
platform, which is the normal situation for bus stops at many places.
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, there are platforms that aren't operated
(anymore) and therefore aren't waiting areas, that is
public_transport=platform's, anymore.
[1]: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/WzQODhqrCxxBLTYj2YJ-8g
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e written in
the recent discussion on talk-transit, OsmAnd's public transportation
routing works very well in Stockholm, where only stops
(highway=bus_stop) beside the road are mapped.
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hway=bus_stop/railway=tram_stop beside the road/rails ("Stockholm
scheme"). Disadvantages: the same that are the advantages of 1.
It were nice if we could (finally) agree on one solution to solve the
current public transport mess. :)
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rts from another
platform. (For example, in Bern, IC 1 to Geneva always departs from
platform 5 and IR 15 to Lucerne always from platform 7.) Thus, i think it
makes sense to include the platforms in the route relation here.
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k it helps to know from which platform it
departs. Note that bus stops sometimes can also be displaced or even
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one stop and at other times there is
one highway=bus_stop for two stops. And unnecessarily complex because
it not only requires a stop_area, but also a stop_area_group. In
contrast, my suggestion would only require stop_area's at stations.
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* key and thus can
be combined with highway/railway=platform (e.g. public_transport=stop;
or, alternatively, a new tag for platforms). However, i haven't got
any feedback on that idea, so i don't know whether the community would
accept such a change in tagging
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 19:36 Andreas Lattmann,
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> >IMO wheelchair=yes means accessible for most basic wheelchairs.
>
> For the paths that are accessible with normal wheelchairs, I have no
> doubt: I would tag them with wheelchair = yes, it is on the paths that need
> special wheelchairs
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 18:44 Volker Schmidt, wrote:
> highway=path
>> wheelchair=designated
>>
> This would only be correct if this path is mainly or exclusively for
> wheelchair users.
> I presume thet the majority of hiking routes for wheelchair users do not
> exclude other users, they are
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 18:42 Andreas Lattmann,
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> would be included in the relations
>
> I was thinking about this new tag because often particular wheelchairs are
> used, for example: [1] [2]
>
> So if I insert wheelchair = yes what other tag can I use to make it clear
> that special
aths
wheelchair=designated.
If there are only paths, but no routes, tagging the paths
wheelchair=designated should suffice.
[1]: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/route=wheelchair
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quot;a generic or multi-use path open to non-motorized traffic")
because golf carts are motorised vehicles.
What about a new highway tag instead (e.g. highway=golf_cart_path)?
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In my opinion it is very useful to tag golf cart paths additionally to
highway=service. However, i think a service=* sub-tag like e.g.
service=golf_cart_path (instead of golf=cartpath) would better fit to
the current highway tagging scheme.
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> link?
Seems to be this one:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:golf%3Dcartpath
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> But it is a physical activity, with the result of good health and has
> dedicated infrastructure ... and therefore is a a sport under the various
> definitions of type C.
Yes, but i think sport=* should only be added if a
. so can be tagged with
> the sport tag...
Cycleways are primarily built for locomotion, not for keeping healthy
or for enjoyment (although this is a nice side effect).
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her frequently used values. :) I agree that a
definition doesn't seem to be necessary.
By the way, thanks to TagInfo, i've just learned about a new sport:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sport=tambourin
I first thought it were a mistake. :)
Wishing you all a nice (and maybe sporty) weekend!
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l activity that people do to keep healthy
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I agree that adding highway=footway to platforms is not only
redundant, but (as pointed out by Michael) is bad because platforms
often have different access restrictions than highway=footway. iD's
validation rule should be removed.
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ks (e.g. medicinal herbs, asian plants, succulents).
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ation.nameOrder". There you can state a list of tags that JOSM
> should try for the display name. I've recently added 'symbol' there and
> now I can finally get rid of all the "Gelber Strich" hiking route names
> in the area.
Great, thanks for the hint!
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> existing setup?
It is broken, because it's not clear anymore what are real route names
(e.g. "Jubilee Line" or "Via Alpina") and what are descriptions.
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combined however you want. This has the advantage that it's more
flexible than a pre-formatted and thus static route description.
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> On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 13:50, Hufkratzer wrote:
> >
> > It would probably better to use description=* than from=* and to=*
> > because not all routes have a named starting point or destination point,
> > like e.g.
usually only display the route number (or route type) and
their destination (e.g. "701 Le Prese Stazione", "201 Villeneuve", "IR
Chur" or "IC 3 Basel SBB"). Route names (e.g. "Bernina Express",
"Metropolitan
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used that way and as soon as the editors display the route's
description in the relations list [3], i'll fix my mistakes.
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to* (or, instead, description=*) if there is no name=tag, in order
that the name=* tag can be kept for routes that really have a name=*
(e.g. Via Alpina).
(I'm sending this email to the tagging mailing list as it doesn't only
concern public transporta
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> > @MarKus: Regarding the tagging of islands or lake groups (clusters), I've
> > already begun to use the type=group tag and hope that someone will push
> > OSM-Carto to render such relations in the future.
>
>
oups:
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> I've restarted the proposal process for camp_site=camp_pitch
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch
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t it is a diversion track; it could also
be that no route relations have been mapped yet. Besides, a tag on the
rail is more stable (i.e. gets less frequently broken) than a route
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> What about track=service? (key track without 's')
That doesn't seem to fit well with the other service=* tags (e.g.
service=yard) that are already in use:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service#Railways
Hi Martin,
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> this should get a different name, many people would call their tram, light
> rail or underground service "irregular" (from a subjective point of view: you
> wait for a means and it arrives too late). Not sure how to better
(on the wiki talk page or on the tagging mailing list) is
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I've opened the fashion accessory shop proposal for voting:
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> Mar 19, 2019, 8:29 AM by selfishseaho...@gmail.com:
>>
>> So why not correcting those 850 (6%) incorrect uses of
>> cycleway*=opposite_lane instead of inventing a new tagging system for
>> it? I've already corrected a few dozen, here's
ignated sounds too official,
what about signed_direction=*? In any case i would avoid a key
containing the word oneway.
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>> Mar 19, 2019, 8:52 AM by selfishseaho...@gmail.com:
>>
>> By the way: aren't all contraflow cycle lanes located on the left side
>> in countries with right-hand traffic or on the right side in countries
>> with left-hand traffic? If so,
By the way: aren't all contraflow cycle lanes located on the left side
in countries with right-hand traffic or on the right side in countries
with left-hand traffic? If so, cycleway*=opposite_lane could simply be
replaced by cycleway:*=lane, as the direction of the cycle lane is
already implied by
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 00:30, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 19/03/19 10:03, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 07:47, Markus wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, many tags are used wrongly (e.g. name, access tags,
>>&
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:54, "Christian Müller" wrote:
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> What is the "normal traffic flow" of a two-way road?
>
> After all, opposite_lane made it to be used in combination
> with these as well - despite the fact that [1] documents
> combination with oneways exclusively. (And because of that
but i doubt that it gets better with an
additional and cryptic cycleway:left:oneway=-1 tag.
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> I support discouraging both opposite* values.
I suppose you mean all three?
> Re-using oneway semantics is easy. oneway is an established
> tag with established interpretation - if its meaning is not
> reshaped in an obscure way it is
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> cycleway=opposite specifies a track (=distinct bicycle carriageway) whose
> position and direction are opposite to the direction you would expect (e.g.
> it is left for right traffic jurisdictions), right?
No, that's
confused with cycleway=opposite_lane.
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>> amenity=police would be reduced to indicate that the tag is used for all
>> police facilities
>
> I am against changing meaning of an established tag (even if it has some
> mistaggings).
+1
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nstead, people would have to
double-tag police stations as amenity=police + police=station in order
to comply with both the old and the new scheme. This is why i'm unsure
whether it's sensible to introduce a new tag for police stations.
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name of its members as a whole.
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nd riders.
If pedestrians are also only allowed to walk in one direction, it
seems you need to add oneway:foot=yes or foot:backward=no.
[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:oneway#Interpretation_for_routing
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> But ultimately, I believe that shop=clothe+clothes=luxury would take
> that special case back into the fold of a logical tagging scheme... The
> fewer special cases the better !
This seems like an even better solution. (Though, we still
Hi all,
I've created a proposal page for fashion accessory shops
(shop=fashion_accessories) as there is currently no official tag for
this kind of shops:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fashion_accessory_shop
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ms):
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/GOO
I'm aware of this linguistic problem. But instead of abandoning
shop=boutique, this problem can be solved if editors correct the
French translation ("boutique de mode"?) and if renderers display an
appropriate icon (maybe a shirt and a ha
for different accessories shops, such as shops that sell accessories
for mobile phones, cars, motorcycles or computers.
shop=fashion_accessories is unambiguous but has only been used 10
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shop=convenience.
[1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dnewsagent
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Not only has
highway=via_ferrata already been widely used, but via ferratas also
don't correspond to the definition of highway=path, which is "a
generic multi-use path open to non-motorised vehicles".
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> Bins in public areas (parks, public toilets etc) are intended to have
> syringes, with needles attached, disposed of into them. I guess someone
> could also put an ampoule in there, but I don't think most people
> (hopefully) using these
attached to a
> syringe) that is the issue
>
Do you or someone else happen to know what is allowed to throw into a bin
labelled 'syringes'? I would have guessed needles and ampoules, but no
other sharp waste such as scalpels.
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) instead of creating something different for a similar use (i.e.
> waste=drugs).
I don't think that this is a good idea because (a) waste=* is already
used over 32,000 times (b) values in keys are considered problematical
by many and (c) i don't see a benefit in such a
licate the relation.
For objects inside smaller buildings i think a node would be enough.
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 23:55 Sergio Manzi Then I guess the correct solution would be to not "stick" the amenity to
> the building but to a new relation whose only member will be the building
> itself.
>
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> the correction as well?
>
I'm not aware of any other way than correcting it on each page. I've just
done this and also added a note that this tag lacks verifiability.
>
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 15:26 Andy Mabbett I would suggest that values entered by human mappers are more likely
> to be "error prone"; and that we should be more concerned with
> on-the-ground reality than "offical" figures.
>
I agree. Besides, official figures may not be compatible with OSM's
ce> * (optional) Total
> length of river in km
>
This has been added more than four years ago, see:
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> I agree, but what about ordinary rubbish bins or containers? Do
> amenity=waste_bin/waste_disposal without a waste=* tag imply waste=trash or
> should that be added too?
>
Corrigendum: the tag is amenity=waste_basket, not amenity=waste_bin. I
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 14:21 Paul Allen Btw, i wonder why the wiki lists trash as a possible value for waste=*. Is
>> trash intended to be only used in combinations, such as
>> waste=trash;cigarettes? I've supposed that waste=trash is the default for
>> amenity=waste_bin and amenity=waste_disposal
ged with
sidewalk=left/right on lateral carriageways, it seems we need something
like sidewalk=parallel_carriageway for the medial carriageways as
information for routers.
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ringes.
Btw, i wonder why the wiki lists trash as a possible value for waste=*. Is
trash intended to be only used in combinations, such as
waste=trash;cigarettes? I've supposed that waste=trash is the default for
amenity=waste_bin and amenity=waste_disposal and thus doesn't have to be
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