Re: [Tagging] "width" on streets: Time for a recommendation

2020-09-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 14. Sept. 2020 um 20:37 Uhr schrieb Supaplex : > again and again there are discussions about which parts of a street > (sidewalks and cycle paths, parking lanes, carriageway) should be > considered when determining the width of a street. There does not seem to > be a consensus and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for board games themed pubs

2020-09-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2020, at 12:23, Philip Barnes wrote: > > A lot of pubs have board games available for customers to play, or they did > in normal times. > > Themed implies that is the raison d'etre for the pubs existance and you would > only go there to play board games,

Re: [Tagging] Documenting historic=anchor to the historic wiki page

2020-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 23:51, Paul Allen wrote: > > One has a plaque saying it is the birthplace of some important figure. > The plaque is a historic memorial, the house it is attached to is just a > house (as is the house next door). we’ll be mapping the plaque anyway (and

Re: [Tagging] Documenting historic=anchor to the historic wiki page

2020-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 23:29, Paul Allen wrote: > > It's a memorial or it's not. If it's not a memorial, and there just because > it looks > nice (somebody else brought up that possibility, not me) it's artwork. I don’t find a definition of art, work of art, where

Re: [Tagging] Documenting historic=anchor to the historic wiki page

2020-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 23:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > To say that something is historic means that it is important or significant > in history. importance and significance are quite relative and I have the impression you are imagining the bar much higher than what we usually

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of individual terraced houses?

2020-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 22:54, Oliver Simmons wrote: > > (playing devils advocate here) > but then why do `building=bungalow` and `building=semidetached_house` exist? > > Bungalows can be seen from `building:levels=1`. > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/building=bungalow

Re: [Tagging] Documenting historic=anchor to the historic wiki page

2020-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 22:15, Paul Allen wrote: > > Possibly tourism=artwork I’d much rather go for historic=anchor than for tourism=artwork these are rarely public art Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] .Re: tagging drinking water of unclear official (signed)

2020-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 13:52, Peter Neale wrote: > > I'm not arguing against "drinking water", just against "portable water" > (water that can be carried) sorry for posting in reply to you, it was meant more generally as responding to the warming up of a discussion about

Re: [Tagging] .Re: tagging drinking water of unclear official (signed)

2020-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 07:55, Peter Neale via Tagging > wrote: > > I dont know about the USA, but in British English, "portable" means that it > can be carried. > > If you can drink it, it is "potable". we‘ve had this discussion 10 years ago and the decision was for

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Sep 2020, at 01:16, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Because I want to use drinking_water=yes and something indicating that there > is strong > reason to believe that water is drinkable do I understand you correctly that in your interpretation

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Sep 2020, at 21:04, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > That redefines drinking_water:legal=yes which currently is described as > including > places where status is not explicitly signed but is known to be good > (examples > may include water fountains

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Sep 2020, at 16:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > I will use drinking_water:legal=unknown if drinking_water:legal is about the content of a sign, I would prefer Paul‘s suggestion: drinking_water:legal=unsigned

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Sep 2020, at 16:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > may be also unsigned, but it may be clearly coming from drinkable tap water the water could be contaminated at the end of it’s journey (conduits), and not be suggested to drink although the general

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:shelter_type=rock_shelter

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 4. Sept. 2020 um 22:21 Uhr schrieb Tom Pfeifer < t.pfei...@computer.org>: > On 04.09.2020 18:19, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > >> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:shelter_type%3Drock_shelter > >> > > > > I'd suggest natural=rock_shelter as a replacement tag. > > +1

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Sep 2020, at 20:29, Jmapb wrote: > > If I were proposing a tag, I'd probably say `camera:url` or `webcam:url`. But > `contact:webcam` is documented and in popular use all over the world. I am not saying a webcam is never a means to contact someone, but it isn’t a

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 4. Sept. 2020 um 19:03 Uhr schrieb Jmapb via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > On 9/4/2020 11:34 AM, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > > The "See also" section of that page seems to suggest the undocumented > > tag `contact:webcam` for this purpose. > > (Mea culpa, contact:webcam is indeed

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Sep 2020, at 17:10, dktue wrote: > > Any suggestions how to tag this? maybe „url“ or „surveillance:url“? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] OHV greater than 50 inches (wide)

2020-09-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Sep 2020, at 22:33, Mike Thompson wrote: > > OHVs > 50 is there also an upper limit? 50” are 127 cm, so that’s to say wider than a motorcycle? Is the question whether “off highway vehicle” would merit its own subclass for access? Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] leisure=schoolyard

2020-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
It's been a while that I have been to school, but from memory, as well as from the current situation I see from my kids at their school, the school grounds are basically the same as the "Pausenhof". E.g. in my school, pupils had their respective spaces according to age groups or maybe classes, and

[Tagging] leisure=schoolyard

2020-08-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I just discovered someone has added leisure=schoolyard to the wiki. It is not completely clear to me how to apply this tag, is there a difference between the school grounds minus the buildings and the schoolyard? Which parts have to be excluded from a schoolyard? Does it only apply to spaces

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 15:21, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: > > Sorry, I meant that images of generic drinking fountains can go in ‘Drinking > fountains in ’ and only need one image linked to the node. > A unique fountain deserves its own category I named the

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 14:44, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > In my opinion the "naked " German Fahrradstrasse is equivalent to > highway=service|residential > vehicle=no > foot=use_sidewalk or sidewalk=separate if there is a separate sidewalk > bicycle=designated > maxspeed=30

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 12:18, bkil wrote: > > there is usually no need for more than one image on a POI I have recently tagged some city gates and both sides would have been interesting. The other kind of POI I am frequently taking photos are fountains and drinking

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 12:35, joost schouppe wrote: > > So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that > doesn't make much sense. I read this as a suggestion for a third alternative tag? Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tagging multiple images on one object

2020-08-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 10:02, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > See wikimedia_commons that may linki wikimedia commons > gallery. there are quite some links in “image” for wikimedia commons categories (but not all images in a category may be relevant for osm), a

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Aug 2020, at 00:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > If we put access=no on a road, we (usually) don't then show if the road is > physically blocked, or it just has a "No Entry" sign. actually we do, access is about legal access. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Aug 2020, at 11:02, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Better. But why not sitting=no, etc it is not clear whether you cannot physically sit there or whether it is legally forbidden Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Aug 2020, at 02:07, pangoSE wrote: > > What I mean is that its a bad idea to keep the exact same data in multiple > places and thinking about it postal addresses follows land plots and legal > boundaries and not POIs. it is often not the exact same data.

Re: [Tagging] Network-tag needs extension

2020-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 22:10, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > But if you want to change the definition how could you change the definition of an undocumented tag? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Network-tag needs extension

2020-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 20:58, Michael Schmidt via Tagging > wrote: > > So, how to go on from here? My proposal stands. you should follow the proposal process as delineated in the wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process i.e. set up a page in the

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 15:46, Vucod via Tagging > wrote: > > length and width keys on benches were refused because they judged that it was > going too much into details I don’t know who “they” are, but “they” can well stick with this opinion and not map these properties

Re: [Tagging] Call for verification (Was: Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !)

2020-08-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 04:12, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > You can tag the changeset in OSMCha as Good or Bad, but unfortunately no > middle ground of just "Reviewed". on the other hand, if you can’t tell whether it is good it probably isn’t reviewed either... Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 02:48, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'm not seriously suggesting we map them this way but speed bumps are > technically hostile architecture. :) If we would go this way this should probably be hostile_engineering :) Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 02:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Fortunately OpenStreetMap Carto incentivizes mapping of bridges now (man >> made explicit bridges), so it will probably become the preferred mapping >> style sooner or later > > As with many things, the best

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 01:45, Paul Allen wrote: > > It's hostile to public urinators. agreed, but isn’t publicly urinating an offense anyway? Speed limits are also hostile to people who like to drive fast for example. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 23:20, pangoSE wrote: > > This collides with one feature one element does it not? it does not. An address is not (necessarily) a feature, it can also be a property > Can you give an example of what you mean by stable? if you move the POI or the

Re: [Tagging] Network-tag needs extension

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 21:52, Michael Schmidt via Tagging > wrote: > > But this does not reflect current practice. > I have randomly checked bus relations in Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne and Munich > and found, that the practice comes very different. > Some without

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 23:39, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Hostile architecture is also employed to deter skateboarding, littering, > loitering, and public urination." > > There is an example of a 1800s church with a sloped wall, designed to deflect > urine great you

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 23:20, Peter Elderson wrote: > > The British really call bench construction "architecture"? I may be misguided but I believe the term is “urban decor” for these things, including street lights, bins, planters etc. and yes, it is often designed by

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 22:24, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > We want to make it clear that lying down or sitting down is not allowed or > physical obstructed, right? I think the focus is on physically obstructed, although this is also not very easy to decide in every

Re: [Tagging] ref on roundabout

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Aug 2020, at 00:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Tagging multiple ref on one road, if road carries multiple routes is > routinely done already. > > roundabout is not changing anything here +1, ref on highways refers to routes, it’s legacy. If

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 18:53, Thibault Molleman > wrote: > > Should that entrance node also have the > addr:housenumber=15 > tag or is it assumed based on it being placed on the building's way? The addr:housenumber ideally should be added to the object to which it applies

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 18:40, Oliver Simmons wrote: > > I agree with the `hostile_architecture=` tag as this could be expanded on in > the future I can see the point, but it is probably not verifiable in many instances (it could be seen as hostile but it could have other

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 15:45, Paul Allen wrote: > > I have a vague recollection of bridge:name being introduced because some > people were unhappy with using name for the name of the bridge. They > argued that name should be the name of the road and bridge:name should > be

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 14:31, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > name=* for a tunnel's name that is mapped with tunnel=yes seems to be common > practice (at least 760 motorway tunnels in Italy are tagged this way). > On the other hand we do have many tunnels, where the road in the

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Aug 2020, at 10:17, Jo wrote: > > The house number is not 12 and it is not 14, it actually is 12-14, because 2 > buildings were torn down and a single building was built instead of it. This > also happens when people or companies acquire 2 adjacent buildings, they

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 23:22, Arne Johannessen wrote: > > That's not what I'm saying at all. In fact, I'm only applying *exactly* > what's currently documented on the wiki's name=* page, which considers > pragmatics instead of semantics. > > In other words, instead of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 13:06, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Would that be acceptable? words are better IMHO, easier to remember and faster to type... Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Network-tag needs extension

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 11:05, Michael Schmidt via Tagging > wrote: > > But I prefer the short version and am tagging it.. the general rule is “no abbreviations” and shortenings will make collisions much more probable... Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 13:18, Alan Mackie wrote: > > There seems to be some overlap with the values of the bridge key. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge this is because the bridge:structure key was introduced later on, before we lumped everything into

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 12:11, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: > > Doesn’t bridge:structure refer to the design of the supports? I would say bridge:structure refers to the structural system of the bridge (e.g. arch, beam, pylon with ropes, etc.) so I agree that it is not

Re: [Tagging] ref on roundabout

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 12:18, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Adding all refs of all streets PLUS that of the roundabout would > make it even worse as you couldnt distinguish which of the refs > references the Roundabout and which of the refs is that of the streets. typically the

Re: [Tagging] ref on roundabout

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 12:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > I would expect roundabout to be split in parts where > ref is applying and parts where it is not applying, in other words > without any special handling and tag it as usual. +1 Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 09:25, Thibault Molleman > wrote: > > So what's the consensus on an apartment building (way) that has mailboxes for > each person who has an apartment there. > I've just been tagging those as: > addr:housenumber = A1;A2;A3;A4;A5;A6;A7;A8;A9;A10;A11

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 22:25, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > "public building" and "trunk highway" are also common terms. > > Do we tag > >building=public_building > > or > >highway=trunk_hghway these are different because it would be a literal repetition. What we do

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 20:53, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > What type of footway is not a walkway? > > What type of walkway is not a footway? > > The two terms are synonyms; using them twice is therefore a tautology. the term as I understand it is „canopy walkway“ not

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 15:18, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > That's a tautology (consider: footway=walkway) and can be reduced to: > > footway=canopy it is not a tautology, it’s a subtype, footway=canopy sounds horrible (maybe that’s just me?) > > or better: > >

Re: [Tagging] Network-tag needs extension

2020-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 14:33, Michael Schmidt via Tagging > wrote: > > OK, in this case I must tag the state network twice - for LSB and SKV... > > What do you think about that? I would prefer the long version (less duplicates of different entities) and just a single

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular

2020-08-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 03:34, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging > wrote: > > in the united states it is Curb. in Germany it is Bordstein Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular

2020-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Aug 2020, at 01:05, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Martin - does that suggest that over 12,000 existing raised kerbs will need > to be resurveyed? that’s how I read it, and there are actually 28.4K raised kerbs affected (because you have to look at the ways as well).

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2020, at 23:18, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > What's wrong with "bridge" ? it’s ok, but not sufficient when you want to search them. Maybe something like leisure=canopy_walkway or tourism=canopy_walkway (in addition)? Or maybe footway=canopy_walkway? highway=

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular

2020-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Worth mentioning that the proposal intends to redefine the tag kerb=raised , true? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2020, at 15:29, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > And it may be useful to have tag to mark "yes this is actually a single > housenumber despite > that includes hyphen or something else that suggests range" referring to addresses or to housenumbers,

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete: no re-survey for speed limits

2020-08-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Aug 2020, at 14:29, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > I am not sure what is the message of your statement. Is this just a > general opinion regarding speed limits or is this somehow referring to > the explanation I linked in the thread starter? I have commented on your

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete: no re-survey for speed limits

2020-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I feel that the actual tags for implicit limits are less important than the accuracy of the information. From surveys, in different countries (but clearly random samples and no systematic research), it’s not super rare to find implicit limits tagged where there are (lower) signed speed limits

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 19. Aug 2020, at 15:33, woll...@posteo.de wrote: > I could imagine rare cases of a privately run cemetery not linked to any > religion or belief/life stance and where there is such a building. But > typically, they would be public. let me rephrase my question: how

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2020, at 14:00, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Looking around my local area these have simply been mapped as > amenity=crematorium. i.e. they have not been mapped yet :) a crematorium implies a place to burn dead people or animals, but has no implications on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2020, at 10:23, woll...@posteo.de wrote: > > Indeed, this is not about a business, but a public facility must the facility be “public” or could it be a private facility as well? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2020, at 01:38, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > similar meaning for funeral homes / funeral halls / funeral directors: > shop=funeral_directors. > The use of the key "shop=" is odd, but it's been used over 20,000 times so it > seems to be well established:

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 18. Aug 2020, at 05:34, Paul White wrote: > > I wanted to raise a concern about tagging house numbers on a building using a > hyphen to denote the address range (e.g 33-55 Main Street). I am not sure for buildings, but for addresses I use this all the time, because

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2020, at 05:51, Yves wrote: > > station:type is still available then. sure, I wrote: “ (I am not an expert for aerialway station types, but sooner or later someone will come along who is, and even if they decide to use “station” for these potential

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 17. Aug 2020, at 00:25, Colin Smale wrote: > > Other attributes like the presence of the drive motors, ticket sales etc are > not determinants of the "valley" vs "mountain" labels. I have followed this discussion, my comment was that there may well be other types of

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 16. Aug 2020, at 15:26, dktue wrote: >  Ok, then I'm going to edit the wiki [1] now. > > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aerialway=station > sorry for this late comment, but maybe it would be better to use station:position=top/mid (or middle) / bottom

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2020, at 13:55, Colin Smale wrote: > > You can't have a mid terminal, by definition. right, this is also something that always bothered me with our way of tagging ferry stations. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2020, at 01:06, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I'd leave it up to his listed website, &, if necessary, his receptionist :-) or just the name, people could google for the website ;-) Seriously, I am in favor of adding such detail in a semantic way. If we all do

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2020, at 01:06, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Having said that, though, I'd also agree with you that lice is a "health" > issue, so healthcare= seems a better option. +1, while not actually dangerous in most cases (transmission of other diseases is possible

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 17:31, Peter Elderson wrote: > > a continuous line of evenly spaced trees at both sides, sometimes also in the > middle, sometimes double or triple rows at each side, often with a separately > lined cycleway and tree_lined ditches. thank you for

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 17:33, Arne Johannessen wrote: > > Therefore, the tunnel's name is the primary name for that particular way, and > thus belongs into the name=* tag. > > The full name tagging for a road tunnel should usually look like this: > > name=The Tunnel >

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 19:12, Paul Allen wrote: > > If we decide that > we want to tag such things in the first place. as there was significant discussion how to tag them, it doesn’t seem that not mapping them is an option we still have to discuss Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 15. Aug 2020, at 13:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: > I oppose such potential removal here is an example: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highways this is maybe not bad as a general overview, but then it duplicates significant part of the information

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 13:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > I oppose such potential removal referring to which page? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > would suggest to create a single wiki page for tree-lined road mapping, so > that we have one place where we describe the three different approaches for > mapping them. we have one place (the wiki) and the possible

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I do see these issues with adding sidewalks and cycle paths, where we have a > similar choice between mapping as separate objects or as road property. it is often perceived as an either or choice, but there is no

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 01:21, Arne Johannessen wrote: > > That's precisely why man_made=tunnel is so rare. IMHO a tunnel is more than the way through it, the ventilation shafts, escape ways, also arguably all the tubes, could be considered „the tunnel“. The reason it is

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 00:36, Arne Johannessen wrote: > > However, name=* should always contain the primary name of a feature. For a > road tunnel, the primary name is typically the tunnel's name, as the tunnel > is usually a more prominent feature than the road is. IMHO

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 23:56, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'd almost think you were talking of the landscaping feature of private > gardens known as an avenue yes, think of these, but also on public roads (although they’re an ornamental feature and not just functional),

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 22:50, Paul Allen wrote: > > Trees at > the side of the road are an incidental. Fields at the side of the road are an > incidental. Quaint houses at the side of the road are an incidental. no, the trees we are looking at are not incidental, they are

Re: [Tagging] tourism=caravan_site versus tourism=camp_site: camping with a tent

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 22:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> Both tags allow tents, and both allow camper vans and caravans. > > > interesting, I would have expected a caravan site to not permit tents by > default. actually the caravan site puts

Re: [Tagging] tourism=caravan_site versus tourism=camp_site: camping with a tent

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 22:09, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > - The tag tents=yes/no (only listed in the camp_site Wiki) would be a good > way to find a place to camp with a tent, but almost none of the caravan_site > have this tag. All camp_sites in OSM I have

Re: [Tagging] tourism=caravan_site versus tourism=camp_site: camping with a tent

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 20:51, Hidde Wieringa wrote: > > Both tags allow tents, and both allow camper vans and caravans. interesting, I would have expected a caravan site to not permit tents by default. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 16:45, Paul Allen wrote: > > I wouldn't use this attribute on anything around here. that’s fine. Apparently this attribute wasn’t created for an area like yours. Nobody said you should use it. There are other areas in the world where these are

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:31, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > If name of tunnel is also name of road then name tag should be fine. how would you know whether the name is for the road or the tunnel if there is only a name tag? What about setting both tags with

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:45, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Maybe outright recommending removal after trees are mapped would be even > better? vandalism. It’s like suggesting removing the lit tag after street lamps have been added. Or some landuse after

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 16:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > We are also mapping buildings and residential landuse and distinguishing > residential roads. or street lights and the lit property on roads. C

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:37, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Apart from that I would not advocate "overlapping" mapping with three > different schemes: individual trees a separate nodes, tree lines as separate > ways, and the new proposal. > On any given object there should

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 14:35, Paul Allen wrote: > > I still do not see a purpose for the attribute except as a convenient way > of avoiding mapping tree rows. routing. While it is not impossible to find tree lined roads by analyzing the context, it is an expensive

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 13:13, Paul Allen wrote: > > What if the trees line only > three of four sides? Or there aresome sizable gaps for the entrances? indeed I would not suggest to use this on polygons, rather for linear features like roads and waterways. I’m

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 13:28, Paul Allen wrote: > >> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> Maybe it’s because I am not an English native speaker, but I would expect >> something more than a head lice removal treatment place or a speech >> th

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 12:48, Paul Allen wrote: > > Some > values that are far more specific like speech_therapist seem to have > crept in that might be better as specialities. > > I'd say the facilities offering headlice removal and nothing else are as much > clinics as are

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Aug 2020, at 12:13, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Q: if I mark a road as tree_lined=both and later map all the individual > trees, do I remove the tree_lined=both tag as I now have finer detail? as it is stated in the page, you should not do it. Having the individual

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