Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Jul 2020, at 19:04, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Reading the wiki versions, I would say the "site" relation is extremely > vaguely defined. > > I would think we are free to make it something useful. I agree > > At the risk of repeating myself, I believe there

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Jul 2020, at 05:59, Yves wrote: > > Why do you say "A site means things are concentrated around a point", sites > relation helps to map disjoint elements, but I don't think I saw anything > about their repartition. it is my interpretation of the term “site” and

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Jul 2020, at 00:11, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I do consider a site relation a fitting approach for a city wall. its use would also go against the wiki definition which states: „ This relation is not to be used in cases where the element can be represented by one

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Jul 2020, at 21:14, Taskar Center wrote: > > Why is the relation type on the Berlin Wall a “collection” rather than > “boundary”? it’s a collection of remaining traces of a boundary (which btw was never a „line“ in the geometric sense, because there always was a

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Jul 2020, at 20:53, yo paseopor wrote: > > Big sense, nerver forget. > What about that? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6651797#map=11/52.5183/13.2976 it’s a type=collection though, not a site. And questionable in parts, as the Berlin wall is

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Jul 2020, at 20:32, Mark Wagner wrote: > > The US has two national highway networks: > > * The Interstate Highway System, major high-speed roads connecting > major cities. > * The United States Numbered Highway System (commonly referred to as > the "US

[Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Someone has made a site relation for the Aurelian citywalls in Rome. Does this make sense to you? We‘re speaking of a generally linear object of many kilometers length, in parts fragmented / interrupted. Cheers Martin sent from a phone ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Distinguishing closed office spaces and client service locations?

2020-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jul 2020, at 15:43, Paul Allen wrote: > > If ever we map > everything in the world as a first approximation, then we can worry about > second approximations. actually you do not have to map everything in the world in a first approximation in order to map details,

Re: [Tagging] Distinguishing closed office spaces and client service locations?

2020-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jul 2020, at 00:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > You then get the problem that customers are allowed to come in to the front > counter / service / reception area, but the rest of the office / building is > strictly staff only I believe the distinction should be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - junction=intersection

2020-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Jul 2020, at 21:52, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > I have to strongly disagree. Consider an intersection of dual carriageways > (so, four intersection nodes) where signals are tagged on the intersection > nodes. that’s the problem, they should not be tagged on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - junction=intersection

2020-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Jul 2020, at 16:17, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > My use case isn't the only one that has issues with this sort of thing; > routers can "see" more traffic lights than actually exist and can (so I hear, > anyway) give directions that are potentially confusing. this

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
IMHO this discussion is going offtopic as we generally do not map ownership. If you want to dig deep into american legislation specifics only, it is not so relevant for the international mailing list, because these things tend to work differently in different countries. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Jul 2020, at 14:40, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > I'd imagine that pollution and erosion would result in a surface of mineral, > rather than organic soil; lack of water still remains a possibility. For small areas you can also imagine so many people walking or driving

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Jul 2020, at 13:33, Peter Elderson wrote: > > To me it is hard to imagine an area as permanently natural=bare_soil. > Wouldn't there always be some kind of vegetation within a year? not if there isn’t water at all, or if it is heavily contaminated Cheers

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Jul 2020, at 12:05, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Organic without any mineral, would you still call that soil? I’d call it humus, not sure whether the term soil can apply or not, I am not a native English speaker. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Jul 2020, at 11:39, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Why it would be natural=bare_ground rather than natural=bare_soil? +1, I also disagree that “soil can be organic or mineral”. It has typically both, organic and mineral components, but organic

Re: [Tagging] Distinguishing closed office spaces and client service locations?

2020-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2020, at 19:27, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Both appear to be tagged as office=company, but it seems to me that > there is a clear need to distinguish between > > (a) company office where I can walk in > and buy service (or handle issues with

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:17, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Really? If Alice and Bob each own 50% of "Fairview Heights Apartments", you > would expect that there are legal property records indicating exactly which > half of said complex is owner by Alice and which half is owned

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:59, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Neither Google nor anyone else can copyright facts by recording them in a > photograph. they do not base their restrictions on copyright law but on contract law (terms of service) Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 16:24, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > (On which note... knowing that a residence is *also* a shop is potentially > important!) look for shop=* rather than building typologies... Cheers Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:43, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > In some sense, I could say that the question is whether the building is > *legally* multiple separate properties. For townhouses and row houses, the > answer is (typically) "yes". For apartments and condominiums, the

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:06, Paul Allen wrote: > > My questions are along the lines of "Is there any sort of coffee shop or > cafe in this village?" rather than "Does it sell really expensive coffee?" you might want to exclude those places from your search where a cup of

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 15:04, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > €20 espressos in Venice should quality. But I am not so sure about the > specialty. it’s not as if a coffee in Venice costs 20€ a cup, you will get good coffee for 1€ in any normal bar. It costs 20€ if you sit

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 14:00, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > We also do not have special tags for specialty wine or whiskey or bread. > For food we do have start but only stars that are awarded by recognised > tourism boards. we do have shop=deli while you’re right that

Re: [Tagging] Specialty Coffee

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 11:22, Jake Edmonds via Tagging > wrote: > > Other tags: > microroasting=yes has 64 uses, mainly on amenity=cafe, in the same way > microbrewery=yes is used for pubs. there is also craft=coffee_roasting 1 occurrence, but seems suitable:

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 11:04, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > If it was obviously built as a house I'd tag it as building=house > +1 as nobody has replied to this, I’m asking again: is a house really only a single dwelling building, or can there be a few more?

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Jul 2020, at 11:03, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > If someone wants it is OK to map office/craft as an area inside house yes of course, generally it is a superior method, but it may be not worth the effort in most cases, compared to the current

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jul 2020, at 23:51, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > It looks like what we have here are "townhouses", which are somewhere in > between "strict" row houses and condominiums just that there is no „town“ ;-) > > I'm still inclined to argue that whether or not the

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jul 2020, at 23:51, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Sure, but a condominium is *not* the same. A condominium is, indeed, > basically an apartment that you "own" rather than leasing. You don't own a > lot, or have any ownership whatsoever of the building exterior, and

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 7. Jul 2020, at 23:41, Skyler Hawthorne wrote: > My own personal interpretation would be to say that if two houses share > a wall, they are part of the same building. I agree here with what Paul wrote some posts ago: things are blurred in reality. The details depend

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 7. Jul 2020, at 23:45, Paul Allen wrote: > Building for the house, node for the workplace. Micromappers will be upset > unless you place the workplace node precisely, of course, but you probably > have never been inside so don't know. That's assuming it still is being

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jul 2020, at 23:45, Paul Allen wrote: > >> here the buildings on the left and right: >> https://www.10cose.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/chiesa-calcata.jpg > > I can't figure out which buildings you mean. any but the church. It’s in the same village as the first

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jul 2020, at 21:48, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Personally, if it's possible to determine the boundaries between properties, > my inclination would be to model them as separate buildings. (It's somewhat > worth noting that townhouses are *owned*, at least in part,

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 7. Jul 2020, at 22:02, Paul Allen wrote: > If you are suggesting using terrace to describe a topology that > isn't actually a row of houses, that would be very confusing. the German term is equally row house (Reihenhaus). Main difference to an apartment building is

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jul 2020, at 15:08, Skyler Hawthorne wrote: > > If I wanted to suggest this approach in the wiki, should I start a separate > email thread to discuss this tagging scheme before editing the wiki page? you do not need a separate thread, but changes like this should

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Jul 2020, at 22:42, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > According to the wiki page about building=terrace, it is usually best > practice to map each house as a separate area (closed way) object. > > "A more detailed and recommended alternative is to map each dwelling >

Re: [Tagging] How to map terrace buildings with names

2020-07-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Jul 2020, at 20:45, Skyler Hawthorne wrote: > > Are there any alternative schemes? Is there a tag to indicate that a closed > way represents a "dwelling" or "housing unit", but not a standalone building > in and of itself? Or, what if I tagged the whole building

Re: [Tagging] R: Are we mapping ground on OSM?

2020-07-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 6. Juli 2020 um 08:22 Uhr schrieb Michael Montani < michael.mont...@un.org>: > It seems to me that up to now there is a duality of tagging in OSM for > landcover: basically there are some tags that refer to 'what's on the > imagery' (eg. natural=sand, natural=rock ...) and others which

Re: [Tagging] Are we mapping ground on OSM?

2020-07-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jul 2020, at 11:27, Michael Montani wrote: > > What are you thoughts? Have you ever needed or thought about how to address > this issue? Which tags would you use / propose (if needed) to map ground? there is natural=bare_rock for some cases, generally I would go

Re: [Tagging] How to tag correct number of lanes for freeway on/off ramps?

2020-07-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 3. Jul 2020, at 22:20, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Accordingly, there are actually four lanes for these stretches. > > What is the correct way to model this? split the highway so that each way had the same number of lanes, then fix the lanes (4 rather than 3) where

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 16:12, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > If this was a monument, what would we consider a much taller sculpture yes, I’ve also some examples https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Treptower_Ehrenmal,_Tag_des_Sieges_2015,_01.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 15:27, Paul Allen wrote: > > But if it had been > constructed as part of the memorial, it might (just) qualify as a monument to me this is in no way especially large, it looks just like a piece of wall. Proceed as you wish ;-) Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 14:27, Paul Allen wrote: > > After doing some digging, that wall is the remains of a gabled wall of a > ruined cottage, so it wasn't constructed specifically to apply the > graffito. Which means it's not a monument. So I'll retag it as > a memorial.

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 10:55, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > I tagged it like that because I had trouble finding it when I had to go > there to visit a patient. established solution for this is using the key “ref”. addr:housename is about addresses. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 02:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > Somebody, > not me, mapped it as a monument although I don't think monument > applies: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6211918213 it definitely isn’t a monument in OpenStreetMap terms, you should retag it. memorial

Re: [Tagging] Open-air stage

2020-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 05:27, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > So neither of those fit the situation where customers sit on the ground, with > no cover, in front of a covered stage? exactly. Also there might be some inconsistency wrt to the meaning of amenity=theatre. Is this

Re: [Tagging] Open-air stage

2020-07-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 09:47, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Perhaps the definition of amphitheatre having to surround the stage is too > strict? Surely it is still an amphitheatre if the stage is at the front like > a Greek theatre? The requirement is fine, it clearly wouldn’t

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 01:18, Paul Allen wrote: > > How would you tag your example? It doesn't really seem a good fit for > any tag we have. I don’t know the specific place, but typically I would tag amenity=fast_food cuisine=kebap It also says “pizza” but from looking at

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a graffiti?

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 01:05, António Madeira wrote: > > What is the criteria to tag a graffiti? > Since there's no wiki for this type of artwork, the only information > that exists is "A notable graffiti work", here: it’s a qualifier that is highly subjective as noted by

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > I cannot deny the possibility, but I have never seen a takeaway > kebab shop with seats for queuing customers. typical configuration in such places around here is a board (“table”) attached to the wall and bar stools. You

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:21, bkil wrote: > > I can see someone started experimented with > amenity=restaurant + restaurant=diner > > And: > amenity=fast_food + fast_food=van/truck/street_kitchen to keep this straight, these are long tail values, 77% of all fast_food values

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 13:34, Paul Allen wrote: > >> Eh, as opposed to retagging coffee shops or McDonald's being feasible? > > Indeed. That was my point. There's a lot that doesn't work well, but it's > too late to fix it with retagging. To give some numbers, wrt McD

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:51, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Do we want to introduce new tags for gastronomical service places? If > yes, so far takeaway has one of the clearer definitions I've seen, so > we could start there. we already have the quite established tag

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 02:29, Paul Allen wrote: > > Few people would want to stand > in a queue while raw food is cooked for them. You have been writing a lot about cooking raw food, but regular restaurants also use a lot of ingredients that have been precooked, typically

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 12:55, Paul Allen wrote: > > Of > course, most people in the UK don't know that and just stick up a > house name or change an existing one without approval. Other > jurisdictions may not require approval. it does not mean we can not recognize the

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-07-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Jul 2020, at 04:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Highly likely these are errors. However it is not impossible that a number > could be used as a house name. can you give an example? By which definition a number written as number can be a „name“? If

Re: [Tagging] Is there any case of valid numeric addr:housename - for example addr:housename?

2020-06-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Jun 2020, at 15:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Is there some chance that any of them is valid? IMHO not, these are likely autocompletion bloopers. I’d support an automatic retagging effort to addr:housenumber (unless there is already a different

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 30. Jun 2020, at 14:13, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Cuisine=dessert is perfectly valid, my local big town has > two restaurants which only sell desserts. doesn’t seem to meet the requirements of the amenity=restaurant tag in OpenStreetMap though („full sit down menus“),

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 29. Juni 2020 um 14:05 Uhr schrieb bkil : > If we already add a type, why can't we make it right? Why not use such > a taxonomy that makes sense, enabling interpretation for both locals > and internationally? I think this is what we all are striving for here, the problem is that it is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 15:27, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Rice yoghurt -> > https://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/2020/02/06/are-rice-yoghurt-drinks-new-drink-craze > > Fruit Tea -> https://yifangfruitt.com/ are yoghurt drinks... question mark Let’s discuss these when there

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 21:02, bkil wrote: > > However, I'm not quite comfortable with someone adding a specific > combination of top level tags to convey a new kind of function > regardless of how similar the synthesis result might sound like unless > the meaning of the

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 17:34, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > Those that do serve wine should be tagged with > drink:wine=served. Something that I do bother about in Europe. the drink:wine=* tag is used 3265 times, half of them with amenity and the other half with shops,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 14:12, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > So we have a first level tag for fruit_tea, purple_yogurt, milk_tea, > bubble_tea, fresh_squeezed_juice, blended_juice, milkshake, smoothie? It's > too long tail and breaks down when you have a shop that sells a mixture

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 13:35, bkil wrote: > > Okay, so at least now I better see where the misunderstanding stems > from. Let's get some facts straight. thank you for this summary which is in line with how I would see it. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:18, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like amenity=drinks > or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as opposed to shop=beverages > which is more a shop that has pre-made bottled drinks which you

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:41, Gábor Fekete wrote: > > You would be surprised if you wanted to cure your hunger in a Hungarian cafe. > I do not expect (real, nutritious) food in a cafe. because it seems the term „cafe“ in Britain has a different meaning than it has in

Re: [Tagging] Surveillance camera angle

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
btw., there is also the established "direction" tag which defines cardinal directions and angles. Is there a reason we need a different tag for cameras? Admittedly, 80% are about "forward" backward, both and clockwise: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/direction#values But at least the

Re: [Tagging] Surveillance camera angle

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 29. Juni 2020 um 10:53 Uhr schrieb Cascafico Giovanni < cascaf...@gmail.com>: > Hello! > > What is "camera:angle"? > > Taginfo [1] lists values consistent both to field-of-view and > inclination. I cannot find wiki, just discussion and a proposal status I guess, "angle" assumes that

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 02:10, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > But McDonalds call themselves "restaurants"! it does not matter. That’s the difference between advertising and reality ;-) It may be a “restaurant”, but not for OpenStreetMap, at least around here nobody

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 01:41, Paul Allen wrote: > > BTW, until recently there was a combined cafe and art gallery near me. Not > separate rooms, but one big room. Paintings for sale on the walls of the > cafe, > sculptures for sale on shelves and window ledges. Is it a

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 01:41, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'm not aware of any takeaways near me licensed > to sell alcohol. it may have something to do with public drinking being allowed or not (on the street, not in a pub) Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 00:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > Maybe bread, probably pastry, but I very much doubt sweets. I meant to say pastry, not sweets like in candy. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 29. Jun 2020, at 00:59, Paul Allen wrote: > > It doesn't explicitly say alcoholic beverages, so it doesn't fit pubs. To decide the kind of place I would not look whether a place sells alcohol or not, as this is not a question of typology but if drug legislation

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 28. Jun 2020, at 21:55, Paul Allen wrote: > Either you have very expensive cafes or very cheap restaurants. :) clearly you could have both, so it is not a very good criterion. > To over-generalize even further, a cafe is fast food with > seats. My local chip shop

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 28. Jun 2020, at 19:52, Paul Allen wrote: > > Because I can spot > a cafe by looking through the window as I go past but I cannot determine > the type of service without hanging around or going in. it lies in the nature of things that you must know a thing in order

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 28. Jun 2020, at 17:11, Paul Allen wrote: > Some cafes in the UK lack table service. Maybe somebody brings your > order over after you've placed your order at the counter, maybe your order > is announced when it is ready and you have to get it yourself, maybe > you

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 28. Jun 2020, at 15:58, bkil wrote: > We are leaning towards being dissatisfied with tagging as either > shop=pastry or amenity=cafe. today I think I would prefer a generic descriptive term as the main tag (e.g. shop=sweet_bakery) and have subtags for specilizations

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráreň, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
FWIW, the tag shop=pastry was introduced for these, because the tag that was in use up to then was shop=confectionery where the term seemed to describe a sweets shop. Now, pastry is probably a term which covers just a part of all these, literally. In general, it may also be a question what you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jun 2020, at 23:16, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > I wish you much luck convincing iD not to apply its presets ("upgrade tags") > for those Starbucks locations that don't have seating. we are not discussing iD presets on this list, it is about tagging. Cheers

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:59, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > Even if it > was just a kiosk I would still tag amenity=cafe for consistency. if it were just a kiosk you should not tag it as amenity=cafe, exactly for this reason: consistency. Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:03, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I would call that a takeaway in everyday language which we map as fast food > in OSM. I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea, although typically you say “food and drinks”, i.e. calling a place where you can get

Re: [Tagging] Mobile phone accessories

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jun 2020, at 20:37, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I would expect a "shop=mobile_phone" to sell mobile phones, so your first > option of "shop=mobile_phone_accessories" is best, though > "shop=phone_accessories" is also a good option. I agree with Joseph, the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 26. Juni 2020 um 19:47 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > In British English we have tea shops - they also sell coffee and food. We > have > coffee shops - they also sell tea and food. Functionally, they are cafes, > as > OSM tags define that term. > I believe it is an omission of the early

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
FWIW, I also believe these are very different from shop=beverages, as they are selling drinks ready to consume, while shop=beverages is a kind of shop that sells beverages to take home (while nothing prevents you from buying a single drink and consume it as soon as you leave the shop, this is not

Re: [Tagging] Path or track with many fallen trees

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jun 2020, at 15:59, Mike Thompson wrote: > > Trees have been there sometime by the looks of them, and are unlikely to be > cleared. To the FS this track no longer exists (they have blocked its only > junction with the larger network with a mount of earth), so they

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jun 2020, at 12:52, Paul Allen wrote: > > A lot of the UK's sewer network is old. Like a qanat, it channels water and > has vertical shafts. Little of that network, except some of the very first > sewers in the UK, is of historical significance. according to WP

Re: [Tagging] Path or track with many fallen trees

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jun 2020, at 02:58, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier=log says it should only be > used on a node, but if you don't know exactly where then I'd say using it on > the way would be fine when you add a barrier=log to something

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 22. Juni 2020 um 09:32 Uhr schrieb Joseph Guillaume < josephguilla...@gmail.com>: > I suppose the reason I haven't provided an example is that historically > significant qanats are the exception in my opinion - in most cases I can't > think of a reason why it should be listed as historic

Re: [Tagging] Path or track with many fallen trees

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 26. Juni 2020 um 12:02 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > Jun 26, 2020, 09:29 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > to me this sounds like an unmaintained track road. > > Yes, but how we should tag it? > sorry, couldn't resist ;-) I would tag a few

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of image tags suggestion

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jun 2020, at 08:53, pangoSE wrote: > > For me there are 2 categories: sites hosting free images like > Flickr, Mapillary and Commons and all the rest. Flickr is only at 1200 tag occurrences in total and we should stop this fragmentation IMHO. They are not free

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of image tags suggestion

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jun 2020, at 08:53, pangoSE wrote: > > Is there anything preventing us from running bots (with simple > algorithms) on the database? Wikimedia projects do that all the time. I > rarely see this in OSM (besides the http/https bot) We should be really reluctant, I

Re: [Tagging] Path or track with many fallen trees

2020-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jun 2020, at 01:45, Mike Thompson wrote: > > How would you recommend tagging a path or track that has many fallen trees > across it? There are too many to map each one with a node tagged barrier=log. to me this sounds like an unmaintained track road. Cheers

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of image tags suggestion

2020-06-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Jun 2020, at 19:59, pangoSE wrote: > > image=File:* -> commons_file=File:* image=Category:* -> > commons_category=Category:* image=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:* > -> commons_file=File:* image=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:* -> >

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of image tags suggestion

2020-06-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 25. Jun 2020, at 19:59, pangoSE wrote: > > There are some image= tags that link to multiple images separated by ";". > These will be manually migrated to contain only one image that is not linking > to commons and the rest in a note, note1, noteX if multiple urls.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-06-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 24. Jun 2020, at 15:43, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I have just found a situation with mandatory oneway for pedestrians (and > cyclists). > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/u7_0bEMY-iMrHiuafltvmg what makes you believe this is mandatory oneway for pedestrians? Looks

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
when I write „protected area“, this often will have implications like you may not construct buildings, you may not walk off roads and paths, you may not pick plants (e.g. flowers) and mushrooms, log trees, hunt, light a fire, etc., while otherwise in Germany you have generally the right to walk

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Jun 2020, at 17:20, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > In other countries, how are National Park and other protected_area boundaries > determined? If there are villages or towns within the boundary, are they > actually protected? Are they excluded from the area? in

Re: [Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Jun 2020, at 09:59, Georg Feddern wrote: > > "A boat that is _not_ driven by motor or sail." > So it also forbids canoe/kayak. > > So the access can only be determined correctly if a rowboat is considered > with the access canoe=*. canoe=no rowboat=no boat=yes

Re: [Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Jun 2020, at 06:38, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I would say that rowboats should be a boat, while canoes & kayaks (& surfskis > should also be mentioned under that category) would be canoe I would also see it like this. Boats with a sail may be very small

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Jun 2020, at 00:07, Joseph Guillaume wrote: > > only some qanats are of historic value while I don’t think these must be absolutely tagged with historic=*, you still could show an example of a qanat that “isn’t of historic value” so that it becomes more

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