Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-08-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2014-08-02 at 21:29 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Sun, 2014-08-03 at 01:45 +0200, Michał Brzozowski wrote: Sometimes it's hard for me to tell whether a food venue should be classified as a restaurant or a fast food. From the description in the Wiki, the distinguishing features

Re: [Tagging] Climbing access path

2014-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 10:03 +0100, Dan S wrote: The sac_scale is about difficulty, not permission. I assume from Karsten's original message that only climbers are permitted to use those paths. If so, then access=customers is appropriate, and customers=climbers seems helpful... Customers

Re: [Tagging] amenity=job(_)centre outdated?

2014-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 11:48 +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: There are like 20x amenity=jobcentre and 65x amenity=job_centre. Meanwhile office=employment_agency is used 1200x On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jobcentre_%28plus%29 you find: Currently unclear if that tag

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 08:24 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: risk_of_grounding=yes ? That is one attribute that can be applied to a humpback bridge, level crossing or even some stretches of road. The other issues with humpback bridges are risk of taking off, and hitting oncoming vehicles due to lack

Re: [Tagging] default value for oneway

2014-08-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 13:52 -0300, John Packer wrote: For a street, there is no practical difference nowadays between no and unset, which is a smell for me. Either way means no. For the software? No, there isn't a difference. For the mapper? Yes, there is a

Re: [Tagging] default value for oneway

2014-08-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 19:16 +0200, Xavier Noria wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: +1 To use add oneway=no in selected areas to confirm the road has been surveyed is fine, but not everywhere as that causes tag clutter and makes

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of movie rental kiosk

2014-09-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2014-08-31 at 14:56 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 31 August 2014 13:20, Hans De Kryger hans.dekryge...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know of any tag for a movie rental kiosk? historic= ? ;-) Thats what I was thinking, wouldn't know where to rent a dvd from these days. Certainly none

Re: [Tagging] name and brand tags

2014-09-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2014-09-24 at 15:12 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: How these tags should be used? Nameless object, with brand (for example petrol station). IMHO it should be tagged brand=*, without name. -1 Besides in my experience petrol stations do have a name, it may not be obvious until

Re: [Tagging] Retag: craft=sweep = craft=chimney_sweep

2014-10-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 09:11 +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: Tying to clean up the Wiki a bit and found craft=sweep. I think it would be better to tag it craft=chimney_sweep as this makes it clearer and a lot easier to understand for non-native speakers. What do you think? I would then also like

Re: [Tagging] man_made=bridge

2014-10-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-10-13 at 17:00 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Rather a similar proposal, tunnels are more troublesome (see also talk page). There does seem to be a lot about multiple tubes there, I would expect those to be mapped separately, but would like to see a single tunnel only where

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2014-10-14 at 13:51 +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2014-10-13 23:24 GMT+02:00 Zbigniew Czernik zbign...@openstreetmap.pl: What if there are several people in the grave (with different names)? Semicolons? I think OSM shouldn't have names of people in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - relation type=person

2014-10-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 11:19 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: 2014-10-14 23:31 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: I think that who is in which tomb is information that does belong in OSM. Finding the tomb you want in a cemetery is *hard* and I'd

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 23:24 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops, including the Hallmark

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 22:37 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: I haven't noticed one for several years, but there used to be stores that specialized in selling greeting cards and small ornamental gifts. Hallmark greeting cards had a retail chain. There are lots of these around, I have not noticed

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (brickkiln)

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 02:21 -0700, Megha Shrestha wrote: We collected the data from field survey. By field survey what do you mean? You can obviously collect data from what you can see, from signs. But my concern is much of this information could be seen as commercially sensitive, where does

Re: [Tagging] sport= non-physical tags and the exceptions people come up with...

2014-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
I like this tagging, but as an ex-diver I do feel it needs some expansion. compressor=yes/no To indicate whether there is air available to refill tanks or not. recompression_chamber=yes/no To indicate if there is a recompression chamber on-site. Other possible facilities, are diving schools,

Re: [Tagging] mixed guesthouse/hotel with restaurants (was Re: [OSM-talk] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.23.0)

2014-10-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 15:15 +0100, Holger Jeromin wrote: Andreas Labres wrote on 30.10.2014 15:06: There are some different terms for lodging, bed breakfast, guest house, boarding house, pension, inn, hostel, motel, appartment house (?), chalet, and hotel. Guest house seems to be (plz

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 11:28 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-11-04 11:17 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: The path tag was introduced by people who couldn't deal with highway=cycleway being shared with pedestrians, and wanted something

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki

2014-12-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Dec 02 2014 13:48:56 GMT+ (GMT), Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Appearantly nobody cares for access any more? Maybe my mail was too long, or you got the impression that this was referring to Italy only. In short, I think we should add more access classes to the wiki: -

Re: [Tagging] access in the wiki

2014-12-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 17:23 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-12-02 15:04 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: I would suggest the tag private_hire. thank you, that sounds good and superficial internet search confirms that we are talking about the same kind

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 11:55 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Fri, 2014-12-05 at 09:46 -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: A hybrid approach is possible also where simple is acceptable: amenity=fuel, shop=yes Shouldn't this be shop=convenience (in most cases)? In many cases the shop will

Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-12-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri Dec 12 2014 04:49:56 GMT+ (GMT), John F. Eldredge wrote: I would not be surprised to find some establishments where the emphasis is on food up through mid-evening, but the kitchen closes earlier than the bar does, leaving the final hours of operation to offer only beverages and

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Dec 16 2014 17:42:47 GMT+ (GMT), Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-12-16 18:16 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: interesting to map dismantled city gates as historic=city_gate It is OK to map ruins/remmants, archeological site - but note that completely

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed Dec 17 2014 09:32:05 GMT+ (GMT), Никита wrote: Probably we should define kids_area as: leisure=playground playground:indoor=yes playground:supervised=yes - supervised by parents, not by somebody else And access tags, such as access=customers. Phil (trigpoint ) -- Sent from my

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
You should visit, it is a lovely city and has a complete city wall that is lovely to walk around. Also nice pubs, a massive cathedral and the national railway museum. Phil (trigpoint ) On Wed Dec 17 2014 09:47:16 GMT+ (GMT), Martin Vonwald wrote: 2014-12-17 10:24 GMT+01:00 Philip

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 15:13 +, ael wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:52:22PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: I would prefer leisure=playground for standalone and kids_area=yes for an additional feature. This seems intuitive to me. Just a quick interjection from a native English

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 17:45 +0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: Trust me, there no overlap between: Детская площадка (leisure=playground) Игровая зона для детей (amenity=kids_area) The key criterias are wether it's indoor or outdoor and wether a fee is required. No need to introduce

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Feb 3 09:36:21 2015 GMT, Colin Smale wrote: On 2015-02-03 10:20, Paul Johnson wrote: On Feb 3, 2015 3:06 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Preventable? How does that look in law? Is that Failure to maintain the vehicle or what? What exactly will you get a ticket for?

Re: [Tagging] Overhead signs (Überkopfwegweiser)

2015-01-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-01-16 at 10:19 +0100, Andreas Labres wrote: Hello, I'd like to suggest an idea to map overhead signposts (Überkopfwegweiser in German): Here is a photo of the sign to be mapped: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A23_Knoten_Kaiserm%C3%BChlen_1.JPG To map: Put a

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
maze=maize Probably too temporary for osm but they do appear every summer in the same area, moving with crop rotation. The farmer cuts paths through the maize and places a raised platform in the middle Phil (trigpoint ) On Thu Feb 19 09:48:33 2015 GMT, johnw wrote: I think it should be k

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 06:55 +0900, John Willis wrote: Something so dangerous in the US for children's playgrounds were removed a long time ago, but in Japan, they still have plenty of giant steel things to play on and, on three occasions, I have found ~ 10m zip line like rides. They are

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 06:55 +0900, John Willis wrote: Something so dangerous in the US for children's playgrounds were removed a long time ago, but in Japan, they still have plenty of giant steel things to play on and, on three occasions, I have found ~ 10m zip line like rides. They are

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 06:55 +0900, John Willis wrote: Something so dangerous in the US for children's playgrounds were removed a long time ago, but in Japan, they still have plenty of giant steel things to play on and, on three occasions, I have found ~ 10m zip line like rides. They are

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 16:20 +, Steve Doerr wrote: On 25/01/2015 16:29, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: I'd like to suggest a new key for patron saints. Certainly patron_saint=* or just patron=*. There are some occurrences in Taginfo, although most values of patron=* do not look like saints.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC: Reverse Vending Machine

2015-01-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2015-01-11 at 11:50 +, SomeoneElse wrote: On 11/01/2015 11:25, makko wrote: ... However, I do not know how widespread the term reverse vending machine is. ... In the UK, it isn't common - at least, I'd not heard of it before this thread. Interestingly, one of the links

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2015-02-09 at 20:38 +, Lukas Sommer wrote: I know that I’m a little late with this comment – I missed this while reading the proposal. Sorry. Maybe that’s something that can be changed in the prososal – if current voters agree? 2015-02-09 17:29 GMT, Lukas Sommer

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-02-10 at 11:09 +, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: My feelingsis this not something for a separate study by someone rather than a feature on OSM? Keeping this kind of information updated will be an impossibilitymany cities are becoming computerised and the signals adjusted

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 15:29 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: An example using a local uk map is http://binged.it/1x8GAHx Try again http://binged.it/1x8Hhki Phil (trigpoint ) On Mon Mar 9 15:16:54 2015 GMT, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 9 March 2015 at 15:06, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com

Re: [Tagging] domestic fuel transport delivery мазут

2015-03-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2015-03-08 at 14:47 +0100, André Pirard wrote: Hi, I've tried to no avail those keywords for what I suppose you understand what I mean. A man doing his business of delivering fuel with his lorry in addition to his amenity=fuel. All the results I've got were pipelines (of course ;-)

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

2015-03-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-03-27 at 16:55 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: How about camp_site=hospitality for those hotels that offer camping on their grounds, or certain parking lots that allow camping, e.g., WalMart. A lot of pubs also have attached campsites, good for business as campers don't have yo

Re: [Tagging] Wiki edits on junction=roundabout

2015-02-23 Thread Philip Barnes
I would also question the make it circular, roundabouts don't have to be circular. Phil (trigpoint ) On Mon Feb 23 07:43:36 2015 GMT, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! Can someone please explain these edits to me:

Re: [Tagging] route=foot

2015-03-08 Thread Philip Barnes
days. That does seem a reasonable distinction to me. Phil (trigpoint) But that doesn't cause me any concerns using route=hiking. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Mon, 2015-03-02 at 13:06 +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: In Belgium

Re: [Tagging] Possible Vatican City tagging issues

2015-05-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 14:20 +0300, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi wrote: Actually the whole Vatican City street complex is accessible only to permit holders. A quick look at Google Streetview will confirm this:

Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?

2015-05-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 17:57 +0200, Stefan Hahmann wrote: Dear all, I would like to raise a discussion about possible options of how to tag/model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications. As this can get quite complex, I have put some illustrating figures on

Re: [Tagging] Group of islands?

2015-05-17 Thread Philip Barnes
Archipelago? Phil (trigpoint) On Sun, 2015-05-17 at 16:23 +0200, Richard Z. wrote: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

2015-05-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-05-15 at 16:13 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: I have seen some tight intersections, with buildings directly adjoining the roadway at all four corners, where a maxlength tag would also be useful. A passenger car or a delivery truck would be able to turn the corner, but a

Re: [Tagging] Straw pole Temperature=objective default unit?

2015-04-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 14:39 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-04-09 2:52 GMT+02:00 Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com: Say a mapper tags temperature=42 The options are to interpret this as; a) values would be interpreted as degrees

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 06:07 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: Full service does cost more, because full service typically checks and tops off any fluids you're low on, along with checking your tires and cleaning your windows as part of the price included; and (sometimes, if they're fishing for

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 13:17 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than self because there is someone who does work for you, while in self you will do it and nobody has

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-06-05 at 21:01 -0500, John Eldredge wrote: Also, there are a lot of so-called hobby shops that carry supplies for decorative crafts such as beading, embroidery, and jewelry making. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can

Re: [Tagging] Pet Relief Areas

2015-06-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 12:42 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 10.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb p...@trigpoint.me.uk: I prefer leash_anchor over lead_hook because it is more generic and easier to understand. Leash is AE, lead is BE. thanks for pointing this out. Unfortunately,

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

2015-06-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 18:07 +0100, Craig Wallace wrote: Why does everything have to be a 'station'? A station is a place where trains stop, not where you plug your phone in. Plus it makes the tag unnecessarily verbose, and more prone to errors. Simpler to just tag

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

2015-06-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 07:15 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:47 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Why worry, the ANPR cameras will get you anyway. I'd honestly be surprised if those are widely employed, because they're damn near useless. There's well over 200

Re: [Tagging] man_made=works (was: Re: Removal of amenity from OSM tagging)

2015-05-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 12:47 +0100, pmailkeey . wrote: On 29 May 2015 at 12:42, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: W dniu 29.05.2015 13:34, John Willis napisał(a): I know there is a way to tag what the building as to what it was

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-05-29 at 12:57 +0100, pmailkeey . wrote: For some strange reason, RM chose settlements rather than counties to determine postcodes. They chose where the sorting offices were and from that where the lines of communication went, that is why Market Bosworth (a long way inside

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Philip Barnes
> > On 2015-10-28 11:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > 2015-10-28 10:58 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk>: > > > >>> * that overtaking is forbidden > >> True, but exceptions allow you to overtake slow moving vehicles. > &

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ?

2015-10-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu Oct 29 12:20:37 2015 GMT, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Also FYI, I noticed but did not add to OSM a sensor type weighing device in > Thailand the other day. My quick glance at the sign suggests it is a type > of scale you merely drive over and the weight is computer somehow without > the

Re: [Tagging] Credit Recharge in Argentina

2015-10-27 Thread Philip Barnes
Sounds a lot like oyster cards used in London, probably something in use there. Phil (trigpoint) On Tue Oct 27 14:38:33 2015 GMT, Sebastian - wrote: > Hello. Sorry for my (basic) English and apologies for the previous erroneous > mail. > > In Argentina, many buses use as a payment system, the

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

2015-10-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Oct 27 21:01:30 2015 GMT, André Pirard wrote: . > > OSM will always surprise me. > > Here in Belgium, what is called the "white line" is of uttermost importance. > And I suppose in most other countries too. > I've been looking for it in vain in the wiki and now it surges. > But, first of

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon Nov 2 07:35:03 2015 GMT, Gerd Petermann wrote: > off topic: > Yes, I also learned that in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. > Zebra crossing seem to have no meaning, red lights > at pedestrian crossings are ignored as long as it possible > to cross before or after the pedestrian. Sounds dangerous,

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

2015-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2015-10-31 at 01:31 +0200, Lauri Kytömaa wrote: > > Even the no entry (round red sign with a yellow/white horizontal > rectangle) sign _effectively_ makes a short section oneway: every > vehicle has length, so at some point coming from the "oneway" > direction, there's at least a small

Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

2015-10-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 21:14 +0200, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: > > > Op 15 okt. 2015, om 19:43 heeft Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk > > > het volgende geschreven: > > > > On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 16:49 +0100, Dave F. wrote: > > > Hi > > > > &g

Re: [Tagging] post_box:type values, meter in particular

2015-10-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 21:54 +0200, Holger Mappt wrote: > Hi, > > The post_box:type Wiki page [1] was created two months ago and the > key > was added to the JOSM preset recently [2]. That means that the values > show up in Launchpad for translation. The "meter" type in particular > is > hard to

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-18 Thread Philip Barnes
Trade is more an access tag, you can have a shop=motor_spares for example. Some are open to the public, others are exclusively to sell to other businesses and will refuse access to normal people. The same is true for some shop=diy, others such as B whilst open to all do have a separate trade

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 15:58 +0200, Daniel Koć wrote: > I was trying to review the shop values we show in osm-carto (top 100 > according to TagInfo - you can list it by running this Ruby script: > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/scrip > ts/shop_values.rb > ) and

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-08-26 at 14:16 +0100, Chris Hill wrote: On 26/08/15 13:44, Dave F. wrote: A pub that's closed down it's still recognisable as a pub. It's not a park bench or a multi-storey car park. It's just closed. This should be described in sub tags. No, a pub that is closed

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 14:43 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Am 28.08.2015 um 02:37 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: We don't have building=drop_forge and building=paint_booth for industrial, yet those are specialty building types - I agree those are

Re: [Tagging] a "letter box" for books

2015-09-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2015-09-05 at 14:04 -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > > On Sep 5, 2015 2:01 PM, "Carl von Einem" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm looking for some ideas how to tag a feature I saw at a local > library: just outside the entrance it has a box that can be used to > return books

Re: [Tagging] Pubs with accommodation

2015-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2015-09-28 at 16:25 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > > Am 28.09.2015 um 13:45 schrieb Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk>: > > > > Is it acceptable to combine amenity=pub & tourism=hotel? > > I think so, the

Re: [Tagging] Pubs with accommodation

2015-09-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon Sep 28 12:09:29 2015 GMT+0100, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > How should public houses (inns) that provide accommodation be tagged? > 'Accommodation=*' with only 249 examples doesn't appear to to be the tag > to use. Is it acceptable to combine amenity=pub & tourism=hotel? > I think so, then

Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

2015-12-13 Thread Philip Barnes
You also get wifi hotspots built into domestic routers. In the UK BT are the most common, in fact it is difficult to be in a residential area and not see one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Wi-fi Customers have access to these, and the public can sign up to use them. These probably wouldn't

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed Dec 16 10:48:29 2015 GMT, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Wednesday 16 December 2015, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > > > Sorry, I think I misunderstood you. I wondered if you (or somebody > > else) has a suggestion for a tag for the collection of the pool(s) > > together with dressing rooms,

Re: [Tagging] Specifying maxweight, when different weight limits are signed

2015-12-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-12-31 at 14:58 +0100, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Philip Barnes wrote on 2015/12/31 14:44: > > > > They all seem to apply to hgv, but to me it looks like an axle > > weight > > limit of just over 6t, but signed in a very odd way. > > > > 13 / 2 = 6.

Re: [Tagging] Specifying maxweight, when different weight limits are signed

2015-12-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-12-31 at 14:30 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > > > Am 30.12.2015 um 19:26 schrieb Jack Burke : > > > > What's the right way to specify maxweight when the weight limit > > sign has different values for different vehicles?  Just use the >

Re: [Tagging] Question reg. wheelchair mapping

2016-01-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri Jan 8 10:41:35 2016 GMT, Gerd Petermann wrote: > > Good points. > We already have the tag ramp=* for ramps along highway=steps: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ramp > and it has a special > ramp:wheelchair=yes > but the typical steps are too steep for wheelchair ramps, so

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2015-12-20 at 11:41 +0900, johnw wrote: > The place where the London Olympics swimming took place was the "400 > million dollar 'Aquatic Centre'”  > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqjt4p_extreme-engineering-london-ol > ympic-aquatic-centre-1_tech  (a search result) > > The reporter,

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 15:22 -0800, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Tobias Knerr > wrote: > > Sure, but the sidewalk attribute is essential for other, much more > > basic > > use cases that separate ways fail to serve. > > > Can you elaborate on

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 16:51 -0800, Clifford Snow wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> > wrote: > > They are not matching reality, can cause long detours and poor > > routing > > unless the mapper provides a lot of conn

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 10:27 +0900, John Willis wrote: > > > On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Philip Barnes <p...@trigpoint.me.uk> > > wrote: > > > > Remember > > normal pedestrians can cross wherever they want > > > People with vision impair

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=use_sidepath applicable to bicycle lanes?

2015-11-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2015-11-28 at 14:46 +0100, Tor wrote: > Den 26. nov. 2015 kl. 21.53 skrev Joachim : > > > > The question is: Are there somewhere on this world non-compulsory > > cycle lanes (cycleway=lane)? > > Yes, cycle lanes are not compulsory in Norway, neither are cycleways. >

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 11:22 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > A raised area several feet across with a marked crosswalk on top is > not uncommon in Silicon Valley and more of them seem to appearing in > residential areas. I suspect that it is one of the newer ways to > address the combined issue of

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:14 -0500, Bryan Housel wrote: > Current preference seems to be map sidewalks as separate ways tagged as > `highway=footway + footway=sidewalk`. > > 1. As you mentioned, you can use sidewalk-specific tags (slope, surface) > without affecting the adjacent highway. > 2.

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:01 +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > In Belgium several primary/secondary roads go through town centers > (e.g. [1], [2]), where the maximum speed is reduced to 50 km/h (same > as for residential roads). Most people will cross the street where it > is most suitable (especially

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue Nov 24 15:39:45 2015 GMT, johnw wrote: > > > On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > > wrote: > > > > the road, they are quite capable of deciding which side to walk, where > > to cross and whether it is simply easier to walk on the road. > > >

Re: [Tagging] trail blaze vs route markers

2016-06-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Please can you explain what trail blaze means? Thanks Phil (trigpoint) On Wed Jun 8 09:19:36 2016 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I recently noticed that information=route_marker had an entry on the > information page, but trail_blaze didn't (I added it yesterday): >

Re: [Tagging] Laundromat and parcel box (vending machines)

2016-06-16 Thread Philip Barnes
These are tagged as shop=laundry, 13267 uses. See http://taginfo.osm.org/tags/shop=laundry Its only called a landromat in the US. Phil (trigpoint) On Thu Jun 16 14:32:40 2016 GMT+0100, Daniel Koć wrote: > Hi, > > I was trying to tag laundromat (laundry vending machine), but found > theres

Re: [Tagging] Laundromat and parcel box (vending machines)

2016-06-16 Thread Philip Barnes
It still fits the shop=laundry tag, its just a hi tech service wash. shop=laundry self_service=no laundry_service=yes All ftom the wiki. You may want to add a url. Phil (trigpoint) On Thu Jun 16 16:05:33 2016 GMT+0100, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 16.06.2016 16:46, Philip Barnes napi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - learner driver

2016-06-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri Jun 24 08:57:39 2016 GMT+0100, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2016-06-24 09:42, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > >> Il giorno 24 giu 2016, alle ore 08:24, Michael Tsang > >> ha scritto: > >> > >> Learners can drive on most roads, therefore,

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2016-02-09 at 10:19 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 02/09/2016 12:39 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > > Would it make sense to keep distinguishing between > > shop=doityourself > > and shop=hardware? If so, how could we make the difference more > > precise? > > "A

Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone

2016-02-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 18:49 +0100, Thorsten Alge wrote: > It's about a cabinat with a defibrillator in it and a button on it to > call 112 as you can see here: > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/gmiQ8jjpqs9LqbQnXJe-_A/photo "This image doesn’t exist, has been hidden or is part of a private

Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone

2016-02-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:17 +0100, Thorsten Alge wrote: > > "This image doesn’t exist, has been hidden or is part of a private > > project." > > > > Phil (trigpoint) > > tested it with another browser and it works. Thanks, works on Chrome, not on firefox. Me thinks mapillary mess with the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon Feb 1 21:44:50 2016 GMT, ael wrote: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: > > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum > > +1 > ael > +2 The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not dictate to them. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Jolla

Re: [Tagging] Tagging scrapyards, junkyards

2016-01-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2016-01-21 at 12:22 -0500, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote: > >  > I thought scrapyards and junkyards were two different entities.  This > is how I think of them. > > Scrapyards are places whose primary purpose is to buy items that are > no longer wanted (typically metal objects) and then sell

Re: [Tagging] Priority over/for oncoming traffic

2016-01-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2016-01-19 at 13:41 +0100, David Marchal wrote: > Hello, there! > > How should I model roads on which one traffic way has the priority > over the other one, like with the "Priority over/for oncoming > traffic" signs the Vienna convention registered (https://en.wikipedia >

Re: [Tagging] Wharf

2016-02-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2016-02-16 at 15:46 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Wharf (US English) and Quay (British English) seem to be equivalent > and describe a fixed structure that has land on one side and water on > the other, but the French môle or brise-lames is different: it is a > structure that protrudes

Re: [Tagging] shop=marine RFC

2016-03-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2016-03-14 at 19:41 +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Andy, as I said, the term is a bit old fashioned. I came across that > derivation of the English surname Chandler when I was doing genealogy > and it stuck with me. > > http://www.dictionary.com/browse/chandler?s=t > > I have no idea

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (relation "associated_address")

2016-04-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2016-04-08 at 16:55 +0300, Александр wrote: > Hello. Please browse the brief description and vote for my proposal. > -- Best regards, > Alexandr___ > -- Best regards, > Alexandr___ Link? Phil

Re: [Tagging] building=yes for multiple building

2016-03-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed Mar 16 15:03:25 2016 GMT, Mike Thompson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:47 AM, joost schouppe > wrote: > > > Is it OK to map multiple buildings as one closed line with the > > building=yes tag? Or does building=yes imply it is one single building? > > > My

Re: [Tagging] building=yes for multiple building

2016-03-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2016-03-17 at 10:37 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2016-03-17 10:24 GMT+01:00 Ralph Aytoun : > >   > > At the moment I see mappers leaving blank spaces because they > > cannot identify individual buildings, either because of the > > complexity of the area

Re: [Tagging] AirBnB

2016-03-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2016-03-20 at 11:30 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > Am 20.03.2016 um 11:17 schrieb joost schouppe > om>: > > > adding something in the line of  externalid:airbnb=12345 and > > website:airbnb=http://airbnb.com/property=12345 .  > I insist on the notion

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