Warin wrote on 2015-03-14 03:16:
On 14/03/2015 11:31 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
Thus my next stop was https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement
but, interestingly, it does not know yet about toll at all, yet.
No .. enforcement from the wiki is permanently installed devices
OsmAnd was telling me that I was passing a toll_booth on a German motorway,
however it was just one of the camera bridges operated by TollCollect,
and applicable only for toll:hgv=yes. However toll is not collected when
passing this point, it is collected for using a certain road segment.
Michael Reichert wrote on 2015-03-09 15:27:
Am 2015-03-09 um 15:22 schrieb ael:
I have resorted to changing railway=abandoned to railway=disused
on several occasions just to get mapnik and friends to render
bridges. Bridges over roads and rivers are major features of relevance
to tall vehicles
Kotya Karapetyan wrote on 2015-03-07 23:19:
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de
mailto:andi...@t-online.de wrote:
And if I'm a visitor how would for example a OSM based navigation system
figure out to which company or facility they belong?
It should be
John Willis wrote on 2015-03-03 22:46:
On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com:
Now I'm wondering if there is tags for boys girls as well. Off to
+1
To draw a circle does not need complicated explanations.
Compass directions are needless in this context.
Editor-specific instructions are already there.
No reed to recommend the kerb with such priority.
Martin Vonwald wrote on 2015-02-23 11:02:
I asked the user for an explanation and
Richard Z. wrote on 2015-02-17 15:26:
Otherwise you need to deprecate playground=zipwire.
ok, I am in favor of deprecating playground=zipwire. Large share of aerialway
ziplines are part of adult playgrounds. Technically there are no universally
valid principal differences that could
Andreas Goss wrote on 2015-02-17 22:02:
If people really continute to use this tag I will use it for everything
run by the chatholic church in Germany, after all they are the largest
private land owner... Then they can have fun with their church yards.
the tag is about land_use_, not
fly wrote on 2015-02-17 23:12:
I still do not understand, why we can not use religion=* without any
landuse.
on which area description?
I have no problem to additionally add amenity=place_of_worship or
appropriate tag to the area.
I have.
The same is true for supermarket with there
own
SomeoneElse wrote on 2015-02-15 10:52:
You can't always take taginfo numbers at face value.
right. let's look closer.
For example, in the UK much of the usage of landuse=religious was introduced
by this changeset:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/25035328
14 I have counted in this
I see nothing wrong with building=* on a node, used 772612 times.
Typical cases are:
- somebody collects house numbers along a road, but has no access
to the geometry. Thus she can use plain addr: tags on unbuilt
properties, and add building=* where a building is visible.
- aerial imagery
Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote on 2015-02-06 21:52:
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or is currently the whole planet flooded on the main map? At
least at zoom level 1-6. Starting with 7 countries reappear.
It's flooded, yes.
(but tagging
Just a nitpicking detail, using 'degree' with the Kelvin scale was
deprecated in 1968 by the 13th General Conference on Weights and Measures.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin#Usage_conventions
Lukas Sommer wrote on 2015-02-05 08:50:
I suppose that in most countries of the world, °C is
maybe fiction: and an explanation in the note tag.
Richard Welty wrote on 2015-01-28 13:46:
On 1/28/15 7:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I just stumbled over this in the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lifecycle_prefix
*removed:*
* (features that do not exist anymore or never
jgpacker wrote on 2015-01-21 15:56:
I agree.
Sorry, I thought the previous messages we renecessary so the server could find
out the who answered to who and to which thread this belongs.
No that is what References (previous Message-IDs in the thread)
in the header are for, in your mail:
Sorry but I'm sceptical about the scheme. It adds very little value compared
to its own complexity. In particular the timing of the lights is highly volatile
in modern cities, and it seems impossible to collect the ground truth as a
mapper just by observing them.
Take the 2050 traffic lights in
Jgpacker asks on the PoW talk page:
Are [Airports prayer rooms] really tagged with amenity=place_of_worship?
I would say it's quite a different place from a normal religious place,
and should get another tag.
I'd say they are places where people go for worshipping, and for practicability
they
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-01-09 00:56:
denomination=none
;-)
Nice, but we need to stay on the religion= level
2015-01-08 23:21 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com:
The exact word is nondenominational, but multi fits with OSM definitions.
As above, I would avoid the term 'denomination' in
No value has been documented so far for rooms dedicated for worshipping
without being limited to a specific religion. It is useful however so
a renderer could apply a specific icon, and a mapper sees that it is not
just forgotten.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:religion
Such rooms are
A while ago I had identified the following use-cases / situations,
which I now extend and my preferred tagging to them.
Please note that the focus of amenity=place of worship should be
on a ceremonial place, while landuse=religious can comprise auxiliary
structures.
Case 1
A building where
Mateusz Konieczny wrote on 2015-01-03 18:02:
Typical situation in Poland is that only residents may drive on some roads
in housing estates - not everybody who wants to reach this place.
So I am using vehicle=private - despite the fact that it is quite different from
private as in only one
Kotya Karapetyan wrote on 2014-12-29 15:27:
Just recently I discovered that something in this direction already exists:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Rep%C3%A8res_G%C3%A9od%C3%A9siques#Permanence_des_rep.C3.A8res
Example:
Langenscheidt translates DE:varieté into variety theatre, music hall, Am.
vaudeville theatre.
Oxford defines 'variety' for both BE/AE as a form of television or theater
entertainment
consisting of a series of different types of acts, such as singing, dancing, and
comedy
All is exactly what
Matthijs Melissen wrote on 2014-12-25 22:35:
On 25 December 2014 at 14:21, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote:
Just had the great idea to suggest tagging gyms/fintess centres for the
German a weekly task (new year's resolutions incoming), when I realized we
still don't have tagging schema
Friedrich Volkmann wrote on 2014-12-23 23:59:
There are no GPS traces for pipeline markes. There are traces for roads and
paths only.
It was not clear if the OP indeed wants to map pipelines,
or was just quoting the pipeline expert for his opinion about
surveying methods. And if you
Dave F. wrote on 2014-12-23 15:48:
On 23/12/2014 04:16, Marc Gemis wrote:
Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey.
... History command (Key: H) in Potlatch? Is it not available in other editors?
One advantageous thing would be to click on a GPX trace
I would consider that a non-issue as you said, for those reasons:
- When it comes to GPS traces on objects that don't move (*), the
beauty of crowdsourcing is on our side. The collection of
traces over a longer time creates a cloud of traces which
form a Gaussian bell curve, in density,
Andreas Goss wrote on 2014-12-17 22:41:
I don't see a need for a new key here.
The properties can be easily modelled with sub-tagging of playground:
leisure=playground
playground:supervised=yes/no
playground:outdoor=yes/no
playground:indoor=yes/no
I agree in general, but the main issue with
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-12-17 15:39:
I also know a place that might fall into this category:
indoor streetview:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8462111,12.4869449,3a,75y,151.95h,69.96t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sq3Z8vG9t0TkAAAQfCNjLlg!2e0!3e2
some pics:
Erik, this gets really messy here. Not mapping a playground as a playground
just because of the access? We don't map amenity=parking differently
just because of access=customers.
We have all the tools already without the need for a new tag, and
definitely these shopping centre playgrounds should
I don't see a need for a new key here.
The properties can be easily modelled with sub-tagging of playground:
leisure=playground
playground:supervised=yes/no
playground:outdoor=yes/no
playground:indoor=yes/no
(btw, using kids_area=both in the older proposal is poor tagging since
it is not
Dmitry Kiselev wrote on 2014-12-15 14:52:
I can't agree with you guys.
All kinds of facilities where you can rent a bed for a night may be mapped as
hotel with tons of sub-tags.
But still we have hotels, motels, guest houses, and so on.
[...]
We have restaurants and cafe, both offers you
Friedrich Volkmann wrote on 2014-11-27 03:38:
On 26.11.2014 18:23, Brian Quinion wrote:
At the moment nominatim supports
alt_name_[0-9]+:language_code=name
for alt names
I've added this to the wiki
Please don't document values supported by single applications. The wiki
should represent
Further, it is a 3-letter acronym which could mean different things.
Acronyms are generally not suitable for OSM, oops, Openstreetmap.
François Lacombe wrote on 2014-11-19 11:53:
Hi
I've recently noticed that man_made=MDF has been added to man_made template on
Map Features page.
street_cabinet=waste had already been discussed during the proposal process,
but not yet added during the voting.
the value 'waste' is more consistent with existing amenity tagging than
refuse or garbage.
I have added it to categories and examples to the wiki, feel free to add a
picture,
some
Yes I agree we should not include them, for two main reasons:
- landuse should not describe ownership, by any means. Ownership
is not publicly verifiable, they remain closed source. Even
when land registries (fr/cadastre de/Kataster) now publish
property boundaries, the owner remains
To help us making up our minds which tag to prefer, or to check
if we should use two of them, I have started a table of use cases
that would suit one ore the other tag class better, and started
with some examples, on the Talk page.
Tom Pfeifer wrote on 2014-11-05 11:21:
Matthijs Melissen wrote
Matthijs Melissen wrote on 2014-11-05 01:27:
I might have missed it in the discussion, but why not simply
landuse=governmental?
Well that was among my first ideas, hence the subject of this thread.
We are currently collecting the arguments for each potential tags on the
Talk page, feel free to
In a national park, I would prefer highway=footway for the built-up
and paved ways, e.g. close to the visitor centre, that are often
prepared for wheelchair=yes and attract people for a Sunday stroll.
Any longer, more natural paths for longer hiking I'd tag as
highway=path with tagging as Dan
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-11-04 14:30:
2014-11-04 14:01 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk
mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk:
Surely highway=bridleway has been around forever? It was certainly there
when I started editing in 2007.
surely this was there, but the German
.
I will be working on the details of the proposal later today.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic
Javbw
On Nov 4, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote:
ok, now we have landuse={governmental|public_administrative|civic|civil|public
So far we have discussed pros and cons of
landuse={governmental|public_administrative|civic}
What about landuse=civil ?
Oxford defines as attribute of or relating to ordinary citizens and their
concerns,
as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters, and
in law as relating to private
ok, now we have landuse={governmental|public_administrative|civic|civil|public}
For my taste, public implies much more openness than we have from some
ministries, immigration offices etc, but is certainly a value to consider.
I would like to put a RFC page together towards the end of the week,
and the garbage pickup.
They are not completely private, like a mail transfer box, but they are
not public either.
Javbw
On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
I would distinguish between an amenity=waste_* for structures
for the door hinge option (as the second
one has no hinges)
Javbw
On Oct 31, 2014, at 6:08 AM, Tom Pfeifer wrote:
François Lacombe wrote on 2014-10-30 21:42:
I would suggest street_cabinet=garbage for the equipment you've mentioned.
maybe =waste is more consistent with existing tags
Hi,
I like the proposal, and the picture is very sympathetic.
I would suggest to consider garbage collection cabinets as well,
https://www.google.com/search?q=müllschranktbm=isch
which are found in some towns to collect waste individually per house
and are often lockable (as opposed to public
François Lacombe wrote on 2014-10-30 21:42:
I would suggest street_cabinet=garbage for the equipment you've mentioned.
maybe =waste is more consistent with existing tags such as
amenity=waste disposal, amenity=waste basket or
generator:source=waste
Garbage is less used in tags so far.
A
Then it happens that a 3 m bridge that for some reason has no sign gets a 4 m
tag.
maxheight is different from maxspeed in some aspects.
Marc Gemis wrote on 2014-10-29 13:51:
why would we treat maxheight different from maxspeed ?
I thought the consensus for maxspeed was to tag the maxspeed
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-29 14:05:
2014-10-29 14:01 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer:
Then it happens that a 3 m bridge that for some reason has no sign gets a 4
m tag.
examples? What is some reason?
- rural track never had sign posted
- neglected road, sign fallen off
- unsigned road
km/h is derived, at least with an integer multiple of seconds,
from SI units. mph and knots are not. I would prefer to keep
one default unit per tag, consistently, everything else leads
to confusion.
Pieren wrote on 2014-10-29 14:14:
Hi,
Currently, le wiki ([1]) suggests that maxspeed has to
Changed the subject since that question forks in another direction.
As with other temporary restrictions (blocked roads, speed limits),
first some discretion should be applied how long the restriction will
last and if it is worthwhile to be mapped (e.g. years yes, days no)
Secondly the start
been agreed on.
tom
mmd wrote on 2014-10-27 07:27:
Tom Pfeifer writes:
I stumbled over some maxheight=none tags on motorways, that did not even
pass under a bridge. I found that this is the most frequent value of
maxheight (2889 of 41474).
Tom,
thanks for bringing this up. As the author
is split. An explicit reference would
need a relation.
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-27 11:13:
2014-10-27 10:20 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org
mailto:t.pfei...@computer.org:
Another problem is that the tag is on the way under the bridge, and
not the bridge way itself
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-26 20:26:
Am 24.10.2014 um 20:53 schrieb Tom Pfeifer:
I would recommend to add maxheight=unsigned to the English and other wiki
pages, and list maxheight=none as incorrect tagging.
unsigned maxheight is the typical situation in all areas that I've been
Now as we have clarified that they still exist, we could come back
to the original question what would be the best tag.
I agree that craft=chimney_sweep is less ambiguous than =sweep
alone, and with currently 24 instances in taginfo it would be a
good time to change wiki and tags.
Andreas Goss
I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative use,
maybe in the context of further civic use.
We do have office=administrative and office=government but no appropriate
tag for the land they stand on. Often such buildings are surrounded by
some land and often fenced off.
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32:
2014-10-03 15:19 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer:
I feel the need for a landuse tag for governmental / administrative use,
maybe in the context of further civic use.
We do have office=administrative and office=government but no appropriate
Dan S wrote on 2014-10-03 19:21:
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2014-10-03 15:32:
I see the introduction of a new, more specific key positive, e.g.
landuse=public_administration
+1
I would have suggested landuse=civic. Looking at taginfo, I don't see
it in use, though there is a small
We are only reiterating the fact that being paved or not is subjective to
the renderer/router/data consumer, based on the intention of the particular
user, and thus a tag for paved=* is counter-productive.
John F. Eldredge wrote on 2014-10-01 14:44:
Compacted usually means compacted earth (the
These are all rendering questions that should be discussed separately
from tagging, as there can be many different map styles being created
for different purposes.
johnw wrote on 2014-09-25
Or make Highway=trunk a little brighter green, so it stands out against the
wood even more.
johnw
-1, because:
Tomasz Kaźmierczak wrote on 2014-09-20 23:42:
I would like to suggest making the paved key for highways (and probably other
types of elements) official.
Taginfo for paved:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/paved#values
The above shows that the key is already being used,
Andy Mabbett wrote on 2014-09-16 22:10:
How should this clock:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamberlain_Clock
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/187104810
be tagged? It's a notable landmark, but not a memorial.
It is already amenity=clock and has a name.
You might add
Andreas Goss wrote, on 2014-08-28 12:46:
I removed it on several Wiki pages, including the Map Features template.
I still have the impression that it's something a very few mappers use.
The usage numbers might look big, but if you take a closer look especially at
Poland it's done by 1
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote, on 2014-08-28 13:16:
+1, religious is no use
why not, why is it not a use such as residential, commercial or retail use?
and of no use (it doesn't express anything that religion=* won't express and
introduces an incompatibility for mapping the actual usage of
Xavier Noria wrote, on 2014-08-28 15:45:
2) In cities and towns where two-way streets are exceptional like
Barcelona or Madrid, are people expected to tag them no? The
motivation for this question is that there seems to be the convention
not to tag them, and therefore you cannot tell the
theatres or climbing halls. Some could be
reactivated for the religious purpose by bringing the altar back.
I still find a landuse tag very suitable for case 1 and 3, where calling
the land *=place_of_worship would be a misnomer for the lack of ceremony.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Tom
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote, on 2014-08-27 12:05:
I'd like to bring the sacred area in (speaking about Christian religion here).
In Italy we are using place of worship on the whole sacred area where known
(I.e. Not only on the building). For practical reasons a lot of amenity
placeofworships
John Packer wrote, on 2014-08-26 16:57:
I'm not against landuse=religious, but I'm not satisfied with it's current
description:
The area surrounding a amenity=place_of_worship used for religious purposes
I believe a tag such as landuse=religious is inevitably going to be used as
Mateusz Konieczny wrote, on 2014-08-19 16:45:
How one should tag wayside shrine that is not historic?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine is not providing
an answer.
That question was asked 2010 already on the discussion page.
I agree that 'historic' is ambiguous in the first
Dan S wrote, on 2014-08-08 11:31:
2014-08-08 10:21 GMT+01:00 k4r573n k4r5...@googlemail.com:
Tom - yes you understood me right :)
Thanks
There is no one who check whether your a climber or not or want to have
a fee - but these path are not aimed to be used by the general public.
I admit
Tobias Knerr wrote, on 2014-08-08 12:55:
access=destination makes sense. That second tag isn't established,
though, nor is the concept of explaining the details through a
destination=* subtag.
At least it helps the fellow mapper why the access was tagged so,
and is easier than a note=
Am
If I understand Karsten correctly, the limitation is not about payment,
it is to limit the number of people using this path. This would be
typical for climbing crags in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conservation
areas.
A typical example is the sandstone climbing in Saxonia/Germany, which is
-1 to removing
as well, and I would appreciate a constructive discussion that does not qualify
the thoughts of others as nonsense, as long as they are not clearly malicious.
If you look at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=religious#map you
see
the highest density of use in Poland
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