Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-04 Thread johnw
On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with the statement A ranger station is generally the first and primary spot for visitors. that just appeared on the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dranger_station

Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-04 Thread johnw
On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The tag would probably have been better expressed as amenity=park_visitor_center or amenity=park_hq. couldn’t find those on the wiki. Visitor’s center is some kind of information tag, and park HQ might be some form

Re: [Tagging] paving_stones:n

2015-03-04 Thread johnw
On Mar 5, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/03/2015 11:03 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: But what we really need is: paving_stone:geometry= paving_stone:concrete:grain_size= paving_stone:spectral_reflectance_curves= paving_stone:manufacturing_date= +1 Now

Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-04 Thread johnw
we should be able to map the icon to a generic tag, such as amenity=camp_office or something, or map the more private “ranger_station” facilities in another matter, and leave amenity=ranger_station to these more public facing facilities that people are looking for. The name “ranger station”

Re: [Tagging] recent change to ranger_station proposal

2015-03-04 Thread johnw
On Mar 5, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On Mar 4, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Russell Deffner russell.deff...@hotosm.org mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org wrote: Maybe someone can confirm this, but I think it might

[Tagging] Proposed: landuse=civic_admin - looking for comments.

2015-03-04 Thread johnw
I originally proposed landuse=civic, and after feedback, I decided to narrow the focus of the value, and rewrote a majority of the proposal, with clearer explanations of purpose, narrower focus, and a section on limitations of use. Please read the proposal (I think it’s shorter now) and let me

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread johnw
On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:10 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 10:44 +0900, John Willis wrote: There are all kinds of buildings we map that are completely private (houses, for example), yet are visible from publicly accessible places. OK, so perhaps we

[Tagging] tagging very wide steps - highway=steps on an area?

2015-02-27 Thread johnw
I read the wiki entry on steps (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dsteps http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=steps) and the discussion page, and besides the discussion on which direction means uphill (that really needs to be decided), I had another big question -

[Tagging] Practice pitch?

2015-02-22 Thread johnw
I’m trying to tag businesses in Japan, and 2 common sports businesses I have seen are Golf Driving Ranges - giant netted monstrosities that are everywhere all over Japan. I mean everywhere - there are tons of them. They are not part of a golf course, just a stand-alone business on a hill, in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-22 Thread johnw
On Feb 22, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: You never can do it fully correct: The breakfast restaurant in a two-star hotel just for residents is an amenity A restaurant in a five-star hotel has to be present to qualify the for five stars, just like a gym,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-20 Thread johnw
On Feb 20, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/02/2015 1:22 PM, johnw wrote: I think he’s trying to say that “a storage amenity” is different from a parking amenity”, because it is not something you would seek out on the map when looking for parking (even long

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-19 Thread johnw
I think it should be k kept under attraction, because a large mappable maze is certainly an interest of tourists - especially if it is part of a larger complex. Then it would be tourism=attraction attraction=maze maze=hedge or attraction:maze=hedge instead of attraction=maze + maze=hedge

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=storage: additional values for key parking

2015-02-19 Thread johnw
I think he’s trying to say that “a storage amenity” is different from a parking amenity”, because it is not something you would seek out on the map when looking for parking (even long term airport parking, i think) - but rather something you’d seek out when looking for a storage facility for

Re: [Tagging] RFC aerialway=zip line

2015-02-18 Thread johnw
On Feb 19, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Your words 'dangerous' immediately brought to mind ... There is an 'adult' playground in Manash, South Australia ... there have been a number of adult deaths there ..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash,_South_Australia

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-18 Thread johnw
On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: If it's of interest to outsiders it seems like an attraction. Thus how about: tourism=attraction attraction:type=maze name=Happy Tunnel Kiddie Maze website=http://maze.example.org/ http://maze.example.org/ What

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-18 Thread johnw
On Feb 19, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as a maze is not an attraction for me, I would prefer the first option. Moreover, I would have assumed attraction was a subkey of tourism=attraction but apparently it is not. There are many uses of

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-02-14 Thread johnw
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-03 16:28 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com mailto:jan...@gmail.com: Landuse=religious AFAIK started being used for land that is owned by a religious entity, and in it there would be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - temperature

2015-02-11 Thread johnw
On Feb 6, 2015, at 8:03 PM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: 1) +1 to drop Kelvins. 2) heated/cooled is a nice idea, but I wouldn't like seeing too many top level tags. Danger-cold cold cool mild warm hot danger-hot I don’t think is unreasonable if we’re going to have

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - temperature

2015-02-11 Thread johnw
Danger-cold cold cool mild warm hot danger-hot But first temperature= But first temperature= ... the rest can come later as required. gotcha - those 7 qualitative tags should be included, besides numerical values expressed in C. You are correct, the method, variability, and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - temperature

2015-02-11 Thread johnw
tepid and mild are synonyms, so tepid should cover mild in that way. usually tepid is for liquids, and mild is for air / weather, when it comes to temperature, AFAIK. Is ambient is for the ambient air/weather, ambient ground temp, or ambient material temperature? the ambient temperature of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-07 Thread johnw
Maybe there is a need for something like… a tag for office=* which may cover the different public or employee facing building types where the common facilities you would find in each category would be taggable, so you can tag a point or a building as certain types of facilities.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-06 Thread johnw
On Feb 6, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: This seems to have a bit of overlap with information to a large extent. Most have tourism information for the area they're located and vicinity and can provide a lot of the same stuff as a general tourism information

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - temperature

2015-02-05 Thread johnw
begin rant I also think Americans, and I am one, need to get over the use of degrees F and the old inch/foot/mile system. It's stupid and anachronistic to base the units of length on the length of the king's thumb, or whatever. Continuing to make exceptions for them is only perpetuating

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-02 Thread johnw
I did a major update on my proposal regarding the mapping of traffic signals. As per the talk pageI’d like you to consider including (and documenting in the proposal) rendering the name=* of the “signal” in this situation, as the relation encompasses the entire set of signals - which in

Re: [Tagging] RFD Camp ground Kitchens and their fittings

2015-01-31 Thread johnw
On Jan 31, 2015, at 4:29 PM, ross i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Had thought about this myself as we also tend to look for camps with kitchens. So on a tourism=camp_site or tourism=caravan_site node or way What about on the building that is the kitchen in the camp? (so the building is

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-30 Thread johnw
On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:51 PM, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: Substance=gas Substance:detailed:multiphase_gas Substance:state=multi That is not coherent. Do you mean that (substance=gas) is for mainly gas or gas-only? If it is gas only

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-28 Thread johnw
On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:57 AM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-28 18:52 GMT+00:00 Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr: I started modifying the wiki following our recent discussion. For cuisine=*, I added: May also apply to other services that deliver food, like convenience.

Re: [Tagging] RFD pipeline sub tag substance

2015-01-28 Thread johnw
On Jan 28, 2015, at 8:01 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Oh.. 'multiphase' is a mixture of gas, fuel and water as it comes out of some well heads if this is the proper term used for pipelines, then this would be the right one, Otherwise, =multi (like sports) would be the best.

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-26 Thread johnw
61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/01/2015 12:44 PM, johnw wrote: Or does this go back to it should be shop:jewelry=watches or shop=jewelry + jewelry=watches problem? Javbw If so, then lets try to decide on a flat or categorized system that can handle new additions without a lot

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

2015-01-25 Thread johnw
On Jan 26, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: dedication +1 If we’re going to make something that goes with the religion tag, we might want to make it more universal. There are different shrines for different kinds of buddhas, Different various shinto gods, and

Re: [Tagging] Shop for watches

2015-01-25 Thread johnw
If watch(es) is the best description for a store (as it may just be a watch retail sales shop - no repair or other jewelry) - then what is the problem for creating a shop=* tag for it? There will be a ton of shop=* tags eventually - especially as the world is filled with speciality shops that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-23 Thread johnw
On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 1/23/15 8:37 PM, Warin wrote: Yes .. it makes the admin more complex. But it will get some to say something, and get others off the group. Flame away. i do not think it appropriate for the membership of this

Re: [Tagging] Ford and other river crossing : (was : waterway=wadi problem)

2015-01-21 Thread johnw
I have one last case: some low profile bridge (without parapet) may be submerged after heavy rain but may be still usable if water depth above the bridge in not too high. How to tag this? I was going to ask this - as most of the fords in Southern California are only made for

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread johnw
On Jan 16, 2015, at 6:22 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-01-15 at 18:07 +0100, Michał Brzozowski wrote: Some people in Poland (the ones who never browse community forums) maniacally tag every dirt road as highway=track, even if it should be

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-19 Thread johnw
Some part of road have concrete parts that are flood_prone during cyclone. How can we (or not) extend it to roads? access:conditional = no @ flood I'm using flood_prone=yes. With surface=concrete. But I was looking for some method to unify intermittent aspects of rivers and

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-19 Thread johnw
On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:38 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Some part of road have concrete parts that are flood_prone during cyclone. How can we (or not) extend it to roads? access:conditional = no @ flood I'm using flood_prone=yes. With surface=concrete. But I was looking for some

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
as far as I am aware, a wash, an arroyo, and a wadi are functionally the same. It is mostly a separation of language - where the words wash, arroyo, and wadi are basically the same functional thing, however Wadi and arroyo, in some regions, also have a wider definition that includes other

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
On Jan 15, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de wrote: On Thursday 15 January 2015, johnw wrote: A wadi is a place where flash floods occur. It is not an intermittent river - it isn’t really seasonally wet, and doesn’t provide any real expectation that water

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
...@gmx.de mailto:chris_horm...@gmx.de wrote: On Thursday 15 January 2015, johnw wrote: A wadi is a place where flash floods occur. It is not an intermittent river - it isn’t really seasonally wet, and doesn’t provide any real expectation that water will be present (except deep

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
I’m a newcomer, and somewhat of a noob, But I’ll take a crack at it.: ** We are drawing existence, and tagging purpose, usage, and metadata - with a varying balance of importance between those 3 things. ** There are some caveats - it needs to stay put for a long time, and it needs to be

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
On Jan 15, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: 4 lane ‘tertiary road that handles 5 times the vehicle traffic, traveling on to connect with 2 major trunk roads - intersects the narrow two lane “secondary road” that is one of the small roads coming down

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
On Jan 15, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-15 12:23 GMT+01:00 Andrew Shadura and...@shadura.me mailto:and...@shadura.me: On 15 January 2015 at 03:02, johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com wrote: The proposal seems to be a good solution to this problem

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-14 Thread johnw
I strongly disagree. A wadi is usually only an active river through very rare flash flood events, and almost never any other time. Entire biomes are defined by the presence of (and situated in) a wadi. In america, the words Arroyo and wash roughly translate into wadi, and because of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-14 Thread johnw
That’s really interesting. I had no idea there were locations with more than 1 commonly used address. The proposal seems to be a good solution to this problem. Javbw On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote:

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-14 Thread johnw
usefulness of term wadi. I am disputing usefulness of waterway=wadi tag due to lack on any agreed definition and description on OSM wiki. 2015-01-15 3:41 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: I strongly disagree. A wadi is usually only an active river through very rare flash

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-08 Thread johnw
SomeoneElse wrote on 2015-01-08 23:28: Would you see an OSM-relevant difference between them, or could they go with the same multi(faith) value? tom Multi seems to be the right value. the definition on the wiki should reference those other fancier words so there is no confusion.

Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?

2015-01-08 Thread johnw
On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: No value has been documented so far for rooms dedicated for worshipping without being limited to a specific religion. My favourite would be multi as is is concise and also used in sport=multi, The exact word is

Re: [Tagging] barrier=net ?

2015-01-07 Thread johnw
On Jan 7, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: On 07.01.2015 04:55, John Willis wrote: What's the difference between an alley and a motorway besides width? A motorway starts with a motorway sign, at least in central Europe. As with everything in OSM - It’s based on

Re: [Tagging] landuse=religious and amenity=place of worship

2015-01-06 Thread johnw
On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: A while ago I had identified the following use-cases / situations, which I now extend and my preferred tagging to them. +1 All sounds logical to me. Just a fountain at the mall, or car parking, or the building where

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-03 Thread johnw
On Jan 3, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: this is just a polygon around a church yard, with the rest of the buildings and amenities inside. EXCEPT it does NOT say church yard but religious landuse. So this is how I would use this tag:

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and, terminal without building tag

2015-01-03 Thread johnw
On Jan 4, 2015, at 1:38 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The situation in India could mean that a congregation was meeting on that site, and planned to construct a building there, but had not yet done so. Eventually landuse=religious, unless you are a member of the

Re: [Tagging] Problem with airport classification

2015-01-03 Thread johnw
The only civilian airport within my prefecture - the only one for 2 hours of driving - is a public heliport. It would be nice if it would get named below z13. the name disappears after that. but maybe that has to do with label priority of the tagged stuff on the heliport grounds. I don’t know.

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread johnw
On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: parking areas, and in some cases even tennis and soccer pitches In this cases also amenity=place_of_worship probably is not necessary. It sounds like operator=*, owner=* and maybe landuse=religious would be a

Re: [Tagging] question: best practices for micromapping ped areas and footpaths?

2014-12-30 Thread johnw
On Dec 30, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 5:27 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com wrote: I mapped the open sections as highway=pedestrian+area=yes, while I traced the covered walkways (that connect the bus shelters) and tagged

[Tagging] question: best practices for micromapping ped areas and footpaths?

2014-12-29 Thread johnw
I'm micromapping some public areas, in this case train stations. two questions: 1) there are large open concrete areas for pedestrians, but there are also covered walkways through them as well. http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/36.38380/139.07281 I mapped the open sections as

Re: [Tagging] correct access tagging for tourist attraction

2014-12-24 Thread johnw
perhaps use the =destination tag instead of =private on the road you are supposed to use. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access I think that unless you are an invited guest and have a drawn map and permission from the owner, a private

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Beaver dam? Wrecked bridge? Hallucinatory roads in TIGER?

2014-12-23 Thread johnw
It's also time perhaps to talk about a trailhead symbol. +1 being able to tag (then get renderings for) trailheads would be a big plus. names should also be rendered in a distinct manner as well. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread johnw
usually, the purpose of visiting a playground is to, um, visit the playground. The purpose of a play area is (AFIK) a place to deposit the kids while (one of) the adults do something else, or as a amenity to a more serious or boring place place where the kids can have their attention taken

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: working on a proposal for civic landuses, and a subtag for building=civic for all kinds of governmental buildings and services. Your input is appreciated. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic http

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
. I had no idea there were so many kinds of pizza in Italy!^__^ Javbw On Dec 16, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-12-16 12:36 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: Building=Civic + civic=civic_services if it offers something

Re: [Tagging] craft=builder definition?

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
It’s interesting that wherever you go, the “builder” people all seem to have their own culture and identity - and uniform. The construction workers in america that frame houses all seem to be part of of a big club, and the specialty wooden house people here in Japan - daiku-san (大工さん) , with

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-15 Thread johnw
One of the driving schools I went to is a permanent course laid out on a flood plain ( as is the soccer fields and helipads), but as it is inside a leveed flood canal, they are not allowed to build permanent buildings. So the driving school uses a bus. It has a desk, a waiting room, and

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-15 Thread johnw
working on a proposal for civic landuses, and a subtag for building=civic for all kinds of governmental buildings and services. Your input is appreciated. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic javbw On Dec 16, 2014, at 7:30 AM, John F. Eldredge

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-15 Thread johnw
The best way is probably locals developping a tagging scheme for their field. The only problem then would be cuisine types that don't exist in the country of which they pretend to come from ;-) Yep - I’m sure the traditional, sushi, soba, udon, and maybe even the imported-from-china ramen

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations convenience stores

2014-12-14 Thread johnw
Maybe in Japan a convenience store doesn't have food in it. Japan has the nicest conbinis you can find - you could actually eat a real (premade) lunch every day from a convenience store here, rather than getting food poisoning from a hot dog at one in the US. However - to them Fast food

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-28 Thread johnw
On Nov 29, 2014, at 4:26 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:11 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com wrote: That looks really good. Some graphic designers need to remake the shields for icon size (bigger lettering, details ignored

[Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
I have a question about creating custom road shields, and I know this ties into -carto - but I think it needs tags to work, so I’ll start here in the tagging list. I was thinking of a method for adding custom badges or shields to roads and generic objects - usually country specific things,

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
I think having it on the relation is a great idea, especially since adding the tags to all the road segments sounds like an insane amount of tagging . Is this something that we should ask Phil to create a formal proposal page for the tags, so we can start adding symbol key values to relations?

Re: [Tagging] custom road ref shields

2014-11-27 Thread johnw
On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/27/14 6:48 PM, johnw wrote: I think having it on the relation is a great idea, especially since adding the tags to all the road segments sounds like an insane amount of tagging . Is this something that we

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-18 Thread johnw
Then how did mail relay box sneak through then? It was part of the initial proposal. It’s a box full of letters/parcels. Javbw. On Nov 18, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-18 8:32 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: updated

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
How would I go about documenting the garbage/refuse cabinets? Just get a picture and put it into the wiki, or is there some other way? because it is a brand new proposal, I’m unsure of the procedure to extend it. Javbw It has been documented as voted yesterday

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:34 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-14 5:03 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: A couple more landuse cases were added. I’m going to ask now if it is a good idea to specifically exclude Police/fire/safety and give them

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
On Nov 17, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 17/11/2014 15:14, althio forum wrote: I may have been stretching the 'Openstreetmap' case a bit. We were discussing how to properly tag kilns, with their method of firing and how many chimneys they have, so I

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-17 Thread johnw
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: there will be more people with even more ideas and classification needs. Therefor the foo=bar, bar=x way of subtyping, which implies there is only one kind of subtyping, should generally be deprecated in

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-14 Thread johnw
On Nov 14, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:03 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: A couple more landuse cases were added. I’m going to ask now if it is a good idea to specifically exclude Police/fire/safety and give them their own landuse(s

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-14 Thread johnw
On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: it is a subkey for the buildings, to go with building=civic. My concern is about splitting a landuse polygon just to refine information that could be stored

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-14 Thread johnw
Updated and clarified the split of civic into 3 separate keys - civic_admin, civic_service, and civic_safety. Also discussed judicial and penal. civic_safety and penal are interesting, because there is no landuse for police stations, fire stations, jails or prisons. Martin suggested splitting

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-13 Thread johnw
A couple more landuse cases were added. I’m going to ask now if it is a good idea to specifically exclude Police/fire/safety and give them their own landuse(s). Safety could cover the lifeguard/ski patrol/ranger buildings that are public or privately operated for the purposes of interacting

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
level=roof sounds fine to me. Roof always gets special treatment (it’s usually never a floor number) On Nov 12, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:22 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: 2014-11-11 12:53 GMT+01:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
, at 8:33 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: What about more complex buildings with multiple roofs? 2014-11-12 12:27 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: level=roof sounds fine to me. Roof always gets special treatment (it’s usually never a floor number

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
in the late 1980’s, they put non-potable signs on many springs in national parks because of the uncertainty of bacteria in the water (from horse poop), though people had been drinking from them since the parks creation (and earlier). There are places where access to water via spring or other

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
If we are to split landuse=civic into civic_services and civic_admin, Then I would like some feedback on the categories things fall into. On the discussion page, I listed out some building types that would fall into either one, and I would like opinions on removals or additions to the lists.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water tap

2014-11-12 Thread johnw
. This seems to really require a non-binary solution. On Nov 12, 2014, at 10:16 AM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Now that the tagging structure can handle roads, driveways, tracks and trails with very high levels of detail, the effort to refine the tags for even smaller and more local

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-11 Thread johnw
I was thinking of just.. Um.. drawing an area of the building, with levels=x, layer=1, then drawing the parking lot on top of it (it usually is a bit smaller and less than 100% of the top, elevators and AC and all), and then tagging the parking with Amenity=parking parking=rooftop / layer=2

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-11 Thread johnw
. Javbw On 11.11.2014 06:38, johnw wrote: I assume there is a need to create a new parking=rooftop or similar tag, which can then be used to create more accurate renderers (perhaps by also placing the parking=rooftop tag onto the service=parking isle service roads, so

Re: [Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-11 Thread johnw
First Principle? However in a multistory buliding .. what are people coming to the building for? Should 'we' not map the purpose of the building The purpose of the building is indeed retail (almost always), but the purpose of the map is navigation. I wish to accurately tag and render

[Tagging] Rooftop parking - new parking=rooftop value?

2014-11-10 Thread johnw
I’m not sure of other countries, but at least in the US, parking on top of retail structures is exceedingly rare - usually there are adjacent multi-story parking structures. It always seems that there is some kind of code or cost savings preventing it, always forcing it to be underground or

Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
Thanks Alberto, Mike Martin for the suggestions. I was a avid hiker in the US, but this was the first time for me to encounter such assistance devices myself. never knew their collective name until now. Dan - I understand about “tagging for the renderer” , but what you personally consider

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
To me, Civic is short for Civic Services. Maybe I should make that clear. I updated the RFC page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civic : of or relating to a city or town or the people who live there : relating to

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
to me, as long as we get a new landuse and some subtags out of it. On Nov 5, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: On 5 November 2014 00:23, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Business-government-citizen-military-religion-farm-park. There's some mixing between them

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-04 Thread johnw
opposing civil or civic by the definitions you cited above, [...] What about using more specific definitions, e.g. landuse=public_administration? johnw wrote on 2014-11-04 03:56: Assembling a draft page. it is my first draft page, so my syntax is kinda crap. I will be working

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
'. But as in amenity={hospital|school}, amenity=embassy can be applied to an area without hassle. tom John Willis wrote on 2014-10-07 23:47: Sent from my iPad On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-10-07 14:57 GMT+02:00 johnw : For example, I'm a foreign resident

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
AFIK - footway and path are more toward the width, surface, smoothness, maintenance level, and expected use of the way. a sidewalk often gets tagged as footpath, as would be a concrete walkway in a garden. Paths are usually less maintained, less even, narrower, and lower grade surfaces.

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
, johnw jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com wrote: Civic is what I suggested a few months ago. but where the line is drawn is up for debate: what is included in this catch-all, and what isn’t. I’ve tried arguing that each class should have their own catch-all landuse - eg: we have residential

Re: [Tagging] governmental / public_administrative landuse are not commercial

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
, so it would be nice it the other contributors to this discussion would indicate under which title we should start it. tom johnw wrote on 2014-11-04 00:40: and the line between public and private is not one OSM singles out very much (is is a public school vs a private school

[Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains

2014-11-03 Thread johnw
Went hiking on mt Miyogi yesterday in Gunma, and like other steep mountain parks, sections of the trail were near vertical or completely vertical sections of trail that have to be climbed by chains and occasional footholds. the longest was over 30m. the shortest was about 4m.

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-11-01 Thread johnw
is that odd locked box for). johnw wrote on 2014-10-31 07:00: I was going to suggest Waste Transfer station http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dwaste_transfer_station But after reading the wiki for it, it was not at all what I expected. In America, at least in most suburban areas, waste

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Street cabinet - Voting

2014-10-31 Thread johnw
I was going to suggest Waste Transfer station http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dwaste_transfer_station But after reading the wiki for it, it was not at all what I expected. In America, at least in most suburban areas, waste is collected from individual residences via bins/cans

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
Isn't shopping centre a collection of disparate stores grouped together for connivence (same parking lot), whereas a mall is a singular large (or several large) buildings full of little shops, primarily accessed by a pedestrian Thoroughfare in the center? To me the defining characteristic is

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread johnw
The second is in no way, shape or form, a mall, in the modern usage of Mall' to define a shopping plaza destination. The word mall can also define a pedestrian walkway with shops, But the singular noun of Mall - meaning a large pedestrian centric shopping plaza - is very different than 5 shops

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