Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-08 Thread Allroads
Toponym key Used at a import. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3dShapes/Landuse_import Translation: Toponyms are used to still be able to apply a name = * to a large area, even if this has been divided into tens to hundreds of small pieces due to the import. The existing AND polygons with a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=street_side

2020-10-25 Thread Allroads
All landuse what is used for legally public roads, laid down in a zoning plan by the Government "bestemmingsplan" should be called landuse=highway no, because the content of a bestemmingsplan is what is politically desired and legally permitted, it is a plan. Landuse is not about the zoning

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=street_side

2020-10-25 Thread Allroads
For me, the value "parking_space" what key, single space problem must be fixed first to say something about "street_side". As it comes to a vote. Could you elaborate? amenity=parking_space can be used as usual within amenity=parking. This of course also works with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - parking=street_side

2020-10-24 Thread Allroads
The two methods: 1. Tagging on the way line. When a road, highway=* 2. Tagging a polygon. When a road, area:highway=* Will always be used next to each other. We have to take that into account. New mappers, see a parking plot/space and want to draw that in, that is logical behaviour. It is

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Allroads
It is important to mention the website with the embedded stream. But also the stream itself for direct use. url:m3u8=* Sometimes multiple different extension streams are available for different kind off devices. Such as radio stations with a webcam stream. Live streams. Image streams with from

Re: [Tagging] How to map "piers" on land?

2020-07-28 Thread Allroads
Could be a groundy path go over in a bridge=boardwalk, change material, change fixation to a pier, a pier could also be floating. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bridge%3Dboardwalk From: Paul Allen Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:09 PM To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-25 Thread Allroads
https://images.mapillary.com/8ErC5D9pxN0AzAJ8YVrEAw/thumb-2048.jpg with extra text, for pushing carry a bicycle. "fietsen meenemen niet toegestaan" "not allowed to bring bicycles" This is a privat acces_sign, guaranteed by access law, expressed by “access in an apparently way for him is

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Allroads
The image are traffic_signs, described in traffic law. Traffic_signs must have set dimensions. There is also property access rules mentioned in law. Art. 461 in Wetboek van Strafrecht. The owner can express by sign with text, images, sometimes they use familiar images. Like here. “Hij die,

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Allroads
It is annoying for me too. A router discussion. https://github.com/abrensch/brouter/issues/79 Talk about a situation the use of use_sidepath and dismount. And the bicycle=no, which is not a hard no. Some qoutes. “Hm, but in very most cases, bicycle=no is used effectively in sense of

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Allroads
https://images.mapillary.com/yQWkL-XX5eRN5A2j0JkKIA/thumb-2048.jpg Geen toegang: - met (brom)fietsen. No access: - with bicycles. This is written, grammatically and orthographly, in a way, that the "vehicle" is meant. explicit the bicycle no access. This is privat land, Staatsbosbeheer,

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-21 Thread Allroads
There lots of forest roads/path, where the bicycle/pushed carried is prohibited. Mostly, private owned land with a access_sign. “the bicycle” “transportation vehicle” is prohibited. Because, navigation programs do not us bicycle=no, as a hard no, there is the need for a extra value.

Re: [Tagging] source=RTK_GNSS

2020-07-21 Thread Allroads
Thanks for the accuracy link “you should mark the approximate accuracy of the given measurement as returned by the instrument in the given instant.” That is also better. It is just, that you get a hint, source, accuracy, that the data is measured in. Before you drag a

[Tagging] source=RTK_GNSS

2020-07-21 Thread Allroads
There is data, what is measured. With RTK GNSS, there is 1cm accuracy possible. Should we tag this mapped data, so that we know the accurancy level of this data? Greetings Allroads.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Tagging small areas of bushes, flowers, non-woody perennials, succulents, etc

2020-02-10 Thread Allroads
+1 landcover +1 on a hierarchy index and a well and a thoughtful methodology. landuse, should describe more the use of the land. For example: A road, this include the footway, cycleway, the verge, the barriers, traffic_islands, the trees. The verge, that is a part of the use, landuse=highway,

[Tagging] key, name, long or a partial abbreviation?

2020-01-27 Thread Allroads
This is a question only about how to choose a new keyname. Is it possible to use a partial abbriviation? For example: There is motor_vehicle, with one underscore. to express a categrory with a more then one track or more then 2 wheels. We can choose for: multi_tracked_motor_vehicle, with 3

Re: [Tagging] footway=crossing in detailed tagging

2019-12-15 Thread Allroads
=yes Allroads ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

2019-12-12 Thread Allroads
As I wrote earlier: >>So I must make a icon for speedpedelec, for use my style. >>This is needed because, government write speedpedelec with text on >>traffic_sign (undersigns). Even estate owners could make signs with >>.. At the bottom of the diagram speed_pedelec is needed,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

2019-12-11 Thread Allroads
up to make a style, to see and control the tags. Get hints in Josm window. http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~allroads/JOSM/Styles/Road_extended_JOSM_style_info.html Far from ready. Under construction. I must totally rewrite it, because of new insights, new wishes, things are not possible in mapcss

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

2019-12-10 Thread Allroads
>it really depends. I guess we agree that the meaning of tags in OSM is based >on their common usage, so motorcar=yes means an automobile (i.e. not including >for example busses or trucks), while motorcar=no means any multi-tracked >motorized vehicle is excluded (implies hgv=no, tourist_bus=no,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-12-10 Thread Allroads
ea:highway=unclassified, the part inside the polygon, highway=track track=crossing crossing=unmarked. This is what I mean find the balance of using a value, where it is more appropriate, our decision have something to do with how we feel about the hierarchy. Allroads

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Small electric vehicles

2019-12-10 Thread Allroads
Together with the introduction of the new tag, would it also be possible to have a new access category tag that contains all singe-tracked motorized vehicles? The hierarchy in access is important, very important for routing. (their scripts). Changing, hierarchy have a major impact!! The

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-12-08 Thread Allroads
https://i.postimg.cc/c43VzBtk/squarelivingstreet.jpg Took the wrong link. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-12-08 Thread Allroads
https://i.postimg.cc/J41D2GSJ/pedestriansquare.jpg [6]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/416303537 I made a mistake. i thought it was a pedestrian square, but it is a livingstreet, so a T connection from steps to middle livingstreet carriageway. This need a *=connection value tag.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-12-08 Thread Allroads
y=sidewalk, when you could draw the polygon area:highway=footway footway=sidewalk, this is inside the polygon, equivalent value. So =sidewalk. Allroads. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-25 Thread Allroads
) === road || || || If we think about it further, where more does this tag fit? Allroads ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-23 Thread Allroads
Was just a example, to make my situation description, more understandable. First drawn al the polygons, area:highway, then all what is inside this polygon. Kerb as a polygon, because it is a polygon, so a polygon. The more advanced mapping. People can choose. If they do we must think about, that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-23 Thread Allroads
I worked out a visualisation image. >From the situation I linked in my earlier post. https://i.postimg.cc/jqJSxT1w/service-crosssing-text.png Allroads. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-22 Thread Allroads
out. How to use *=connection or else. Allroads ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.op

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-22 Thread Allroads
, ending up in saying service=crossing In the Netherlands we have the privilege, to use Goverment data, license agreed with OSM. (Site under construction) Sitemap with layers where we have a agreement on. http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~allroads/NLOSMOK/OSMOKNL/OSMOKNL.html Zoom in, then check

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-18 Thread Allroads
When there should be a footway=link then there should also be a path=link cycleway=link This is then a new method to tag a virtual T connection on the road. This must be well thought out. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-18 Thread Allroads
All waylines inside a area:highway=footway footway=sidewalk is a highway=footway footway=sidewalk When there is a connection to the road, inside the area:highway=footway, footwalk=sidewalk is till the barrier=kerb. Only on the road from barrier=kerb till the centerline of the road (wayline)

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-06 Thread Allroads
Their are Government rules and landowner rules. These landowner rules are mostly expressed on the border of their land with a access_sign > access_sign rules >“typically not traffic rules but additional” equally important In the rural, their lots of these access_signs. Mostly

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-06 Thread Allroads
ink about it. https://github.com/abrensch/brouter/issues/79 We need a hard and strict no. I need to express the access, so that routers do not use no as a dismount. I know it is the routers choice. But I want no bicycles there when i set a tag. People use also: bicycle=privat, what is

Re: [Tagging] lanes = 0

2019-06-24 Thread Allroads
). Allroads. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] lanes = 0

2019-06-14 Thread Allroads
First, the consensus in OSM is, that only the tag key lanes=* is used, when there is are visual markings for lanes. Then the question is, are there lanes? Yes or no. How many? lane_marking= no, we agreed (OSM), when no visual lanes there are no lanes, lane_marking, it is referring to lanes,

Re: [Tagging] lanes = 0

2019-06-13 Thread Allroads
A carriageway can have lanes or not. A lane is a part of a carriageway with visual markings. In Dutch law we have. rijbaan = roadway = fahrbahn and with visual marking, we have rijstrook = lane = fahrstreifen If there are no visual markings, there are no rijstroken / fahrstreifen / lanes. A

Re: [Tagging] iD adding highway=footway to all railway/public_transport=platform ways and relations

2019-05-23 Thread Allroads
For me it is highway=platform, ID, is doing it wrong. In a discussion, I drawn out a visualisation. https://i.postimg.cc/wxJcG6bH/bushaltehaltekominvulling1.png Allroads. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing used on ways

2018-10-16 Thread Allroads
=uncontrolled crossing:island=yes The last 3 tags could be retrieved from the way! The other parts, where you do not walk/ride/drive. area:highway=traffic_island for the areas. On the polygon way barrier=kerb with no area=yes ( this should mean that the whole island is a kerb, it is not). Greetings Allroads

Re: [Tagging] Opening hours too long for OSM

2018-10-12 Thread Allroads
https://github.com/opening-hours/opening_hours.js/issues/270 Thinking loud, I like a set of subcategories. Basic set for a year, others for the fast change. I find this a practical understandable solution. From: OSMDoudou Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 5:22 PM To: 'Tag discussion, strategy

Re: [Tagging] motorcar definition changed recently

2018-10-03 Thread Allroads
on highway and barriers in the road. For control/check reasons, better to see a icon then watch the written key, get the hint, that's why we make maps, make it more understandable. http://mijndev.openstreetmap.nl/~allroads/JOSM/Styles/Road_extended_JOSM_style_info.html A key must have one meaning

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign direction tagging..

2018-10-02 Thread Allroads
direction, or on other side of a T junction. If the traffic_sign (first degree derivated) is not tagged it is almost impossible to control tagging. With all combinations and undersigns. Regards. Allroads -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Marc Gemis Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 2:04 PM