Re: [Tagging] Tagging of individual terraced houses?

2020-09-07 Thread Andrew Hain
Use building=house, you can deduce that they are terraced from the geometry. -- Andrew From: Oliver Simmons Sent: 07 September 2020 15:30 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Tagging of individual terraced houses? For terraced

Re: [Tagging] Country-specific images for tags

2020-04-13 Thread Andrew Hain
for tags On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 14:03, Andrew Hain mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: I copied pictures from the Tag:amenity=post_box page in various languages, any more would be added by hand. The UK has several types of postbox, only one of which is shown on the wiki page for amenity=p

Re: [Tagging] Country-specific images for tags

2020-04-13 Thread Andrew Hain
: [Tagging] Country-specific images for tags It’s not obvious how this works (at least to me). At first I assumed the gallery pulled images from Wikidata but the Wikidata page doesn’t have those images listed. > On 13 Apr 2020, at 14:16, Andrew Hain wrote: > > One feature of the OSM wiki d

[Tagging] Country-specific images for tags

2020-04-13 Thread Andrew Hain
One feature of the OSM wiki data items that has seen little use so far is the ability to set geographically specific properties. I have reorganised the images for amenity=post_box (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q6349) to use this scheme, but many countries are still missing and still

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-30 Thread Andrew Hain
I’ve added a ticket to the side report: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/2573 -- Andrew From: Andrew Hain Sent: 29 March 2020 11:19 To: Sarah Hoffmann ; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Route names

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-29 Thread Andrew Hain
This tagging habit arose because the ref isn’t displayed in the side panel, only the name. Fix that and we can do a big clean-up. -- Andrew From: Sarah Hoffmann Sent: 29 March 2020 10:41 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging]

Re: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names

2020-03-28 Thread Andrew Hain
Proposal for QA tools: flag anything with the same number in the name and ref. -- Andrew From: Richard Fairhurst Sent: 28 March 2020 18:18 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Route names that aren’t names Hello folks, Route

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Andrew Hain
Why on earth would we not (excluding exceptional copyright issues) want to have lots of different name:XX tags? -- Andrew From: Frederik Ramm Sent: 25 March 2020 09:26 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Which languages are

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-29 Thread Andrew Hain
Is it time for another controversial decisions page then? -- Andrrw From: Paul Allen Sent: 29 January 2020 17:04 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-09-28 Thread Andrew Hain
I oppose selectively deprecating contact:phone because without explaining whhy it diifers from other contact tags (populist appeals to tag counts don’t count) it makes tagging less orthogonal. -- Andrew From: Valor Naram Sent: 28 September 2019 09:31 To:

Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for one purpose

2019-08-25 Thread Andrew Hain
Unless you can justify a difference based on the nature of the information recorded instead of tag counts, deprecating contact:phone makes tagging less orthogonal, which is a nuisance for both mappers and map consumers. -- Andrew From: Valor Naram Sent: 25

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-17 Thread Andrew Hain
In the UK every business that handles food has its hygiene ratings and usually address published as open data under a licence we can use. Sometimes a business in an unmarked house is listed with an unredacted address; I don’t record the business or the existence of the listing in that case. --

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-04 Thread Andrew Hain
s it makes it possible to track changes with time. On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 5:25 PM Andrew Hain mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote: Now the wiki has data items and scripting in Lua I have been wondering whether they are a useful alternative to Taginfo-driven lists. Advantages of serv

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-03 Thread Andrew Hain
on Map Features will need something in the description that mentions that they are discouraged. This is a good idea anyway, so that the documentation is consistent. Joseph On 7/7/19, Andrew Hain wrote: > I have been working on a scheme to improve the cross-language quality of Map &

[Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-07-06 Thread Andrew Hain
I have been working on a scheme to improve the cross-language quality of Map Features. [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Map_Features#Reimagining_Map_Features] Of course the page may deserve a bigger or deeper rethink. -- Andrew Talk:Map Features - OpenStreetMap

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-25 Thread Andrew Hain
Embassies that extend over multiple sites or are neighbours (the embassies of Ecuador and Colombia in London are flats in a block of flats) don’t correspond to the normal meaning of the landuse tag. -- Andrew From: Allan Mustard Sent: 25 October 2018 02:25:07

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-10-02 Thread Andrew Hain
The sum total of all of the properties making up a university absolutely is an area. -- Andrew From: Richard Sent: 02 October 2018 20:21:45 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations" On

Re: [Tagging] Is waterway=riverbank an 'Old scheme' ?

2018-09-07 Thread Andrew Hain
Would you favour a campaign like the one to update old style multipolygons then? -- Andrew From: Dave F Sent: 06 September 2018 19:04:23 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Is waterway=riverbank an 'Old scheme' ? Clarifying: natural=water,

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-02 Thread Andrew Hain
It’s not absolutely necessary but you get the chance of some feedback from other OSM users that you may appreciate later if you do it, together with the chance to advertise the tagging scheme to other mappers or data consumers. Think of it as your call, there are other ways especially for

Re: [Tagging] Let's get (quite) rid of units and their multiples in OSM values

2018-07-30 Thread Andrew Hain
I disagree in the specific case of maxheight and maxwidth: An important use of these tags is to compare the dimension of a vehicle with the limits. Also the format maxheight=12'11" imposes a particular cognitive load on subsequent mappers and data users who may not be familiar with the format.

Re: [Tagging] Let's get (quite) rid of units and their multiples in OSM values

2018-07-27 Thread Andrew Hain
/2018 13:19, Andrew Hain wrote: > ... and unit management support in editors. ... and presumably also in every data consumer that uses OSM data too? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagg

Re: [Tagging] Let's get (quite) rid of units and their multiples in OSM values

2018-07-27 Thread Andrew Hain
My own preference is to have no (zero) units in the database, decimals where wanted (maxwidth=2.2) and unit management support in editors. -- Andrew From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> Sent: 27 July 2018 12:27:04 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

2018-07-24 Thread Andrew Hain
I see building=house as useful because it distinguishes houses from blocks of flats but the case to have anything that repeats way geometry or building:levels is much less obvious. -- Andrew From: Paul Allen Sent: 23 July 2018 22:55:36 To: Tag discussion,

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

2018-07-22 Thread Andrew Hain
I will admit to having stuck to building=house in Britain and letting the geometry of the way identify the configuration. -- Andrew From: Tom Pfeifer Sent: 22 July 2018 21:27:30 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] building =

Re: [Tagging] Town Currencies

2018-07-07 Thread Andrew Hain
You could try something following https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:payment like payment:bristol_pound=yes. -- Andrew Key:payment - OpenStreetMap Wiki Defines if a certain payment method is accepted or not. The notation is made with a

Re: [Tagging] address property vs. housenumber as a feature

2018-05-10 Thread Andrew Hain
I was recently on holiday in Turin, where addresses are mapped as POIs inside the buildings; a few have been fleshed out as businesses but many shops remain unmapped. I was once able to identify which node to fill out but the others were going to take more time than I was willing to spend. --

[Tagging] Odd and even ranges of addresses

2018-05-09 Thread Andrew Hain
Where I live in Britain some properties have a range of numbers in their address. Depending on how the the road is numbered a building tagged addr:housenumber=100-102 may be even numbers only leaving out 101. I have been using addr:interpolation to model this but Osmose gives a warning. Is

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-18 Thread Andrew Hain
I agree entirely with Dave on this. Consider this a request to consider systematically removing the admin_level tag from ways or making it a discardable tag only for ways. -- Andrew From: Dave F Sent: 11 March 2018 23:49:45

Re: [Tagging] Tagging fraction house numbers?

2018-03-12 Thread Andrew Hain
Unicode fractions have an important advantage: they can’t run into a previous number, 1½ rather than 11/2. -- Andrew From: James Sent: 12 March 2018 15:43:33 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: [Tagging] Tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag shop areas in a shopping mall ?

2018-01-24 Thread Andrew Hain
If of course all of their shops are mapped in detail as areas, they still get a consistent target. -- Andrew From: OSMDoudou <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> Sent: 24 January 2018 19:46:26 To: 'Tag discussion, strategy and related tools' Subject:

[Tagging] Dog-friendly cafes

2017-10-29 Thread Andrew Hain
How should an establishment that bills itself as “the dog friendly cafe” be tagged? -- Andrew ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Emergency shelters

2017-09-08 Thread Andrew Hain
Is there a case for a general mapping scheme for information that ceases to be valid on a date and could be automatically removed afterwards? -- Andrew From: Nick Hocking Sent: 08 September 2017 04:12:35 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Elevation in Feet as part of Peak Names

2017-09-08 Thread Andrew Hain
Or, indeed, you could put a conversion in the editor between the mapper typing a figure in and the elevation being saved to the database. -- Andrew From: Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> Sent: 08 September 2017 02:59:39 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion shop=boutique

2017-09-01 Thread Andrew Hain
Let’s put it this way: how many people who use the map database, whether working from planets, editing where these tags could already have been used, searching for objects by tags or any other way, find the tags shop=boutique or shop=fashion helpful or wish there were more of them? -- Andrew

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Andrew Hain
Defending the wiki from the twin editing hazards of editors with more enthusiasm than judgement and cargo cult-style copying by people who misunderstand the reasons to do or not to do things is difficult. For one thing you do not want to sink to that level yourself when editing. -- Andrew

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-04-29 Thread Andrew Hain
What about the Wikidata links that some pages have in their infoboxes? Is there the same objection there? -- Andrew From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: 29 April 2017 21:26:36 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Tagging] wikipedia links

Re: [Tagging] Undiscussed changes for wki pages about access mode "designated".

2017-03-12 Thread Andrew Hain
Is anyone willing to step forwards to mentor him in the hope of him becoming a constructive contributor? -- Andrew From: Andy Townsend Sent: 10 March 2017 20:29:05 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Undiscussed changes for wki

[Tagging] Review of wiki documentation for is_in

2017-03-09 Thread Andrew Hain
The documentation for is_in [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:is_in] has accreted various additions from multiple hands that do not always correspond to the Nominatim advice [https://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg56183.html]. Could we thrash out something that

Re: [Tagging] Mapping time zones as geometries (relations)

2017-03-07 Thread Andrew Hain
I think this idea is a winner. We have geometry for the tricky cases but this can just fall through to the administrative geometry in places such as Arizona outside the reservations. -- Andrew From: Wolfgang Zenker Sent: 07 March

Re: [Tagging] BCP 47, Multilingual Standard and OSM

2016-10-10 Thread Andrew Hain
Unfortunately the wiki editor who changed the page didn't give an explanation for the change and there is no discussion on the talk page (OSM tags shouldn't be described as deprecated without explaining what is wrong with them). You could try contacting the editor. -- Andrew

[Tagging] Nominatim’s use of is_in and tag documentation

2016-08-23 Thread Andrew Hain
A detailed explanation of when Nominatim uses the is_in tag was recently posted to the talk mailing list [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-August/076596.html]; it only does so for certain objects and only when boundaries haven’t been mapped properly. It may therefore be

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] route relations type=road

2015-12-07 Thread Andrew Hain
But surely I can see no obvious harm in the presence of the relations. Also searching the database by reference doesn’t always work, for instance not all road segments tagged A1 in the UK are part of the road from London to Edinburgh. -- Andrew From:

Re: [Tagging] Spelling: vending=news_papers

2014-06-23 Thread Andrew Hain
Andreas Goss andig88@... writes: Checking with taginfo and the German wiki that's actually what it states and what is used, the spelling was only corrected in the English Wiki. (Most of the nodes are in Germany) The help pages for some keys such as

[Tagging] Reviewing the use of addr:housename

2014-06-14 Thread Andrew Hain
The uses of the tag addr:housename in the database[1] does not match documentation[2] well. A high prroportion of uses are accidental; there were some bug reports[3][4] against iD, which used to have a housename box at the beginning of every point for entering addresses, pointing out doubtful use