Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

[Andrew MacKinnon]

This seems reasonable.

It would be helpful if we changed the renderers to render the ref in a
route=road relation and ignore the ref tag if a route=road relation is
present. In Canada we had a problem a while ago with a user making
mechanical edits adding prefixes like "ON" and "RR" to a lot of roads.
I have been gradually deleting these prefixes but it is very time
consuming. Relations are a much better way of storing this data and if
renderers use the relation instead, then I could just delete these ref
tags instead of fixing them.

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

[Andrew MacKinnon]

In Toronto there are overhead signs that say something like "EXPRESS
AND COLLECTOR MOVING VERY SLOWLY BEYOND NEXT TRANSFER" (on Highway
401). Sometimes these signs will have safety messages like "DO NOT
DRINK AND DRIVE" or will show the name of the next few exits, or will
display that there is an accident ahead. Then there are other signs
(usually in the middle of the highway on the provincial highways) that
are like "TO 400 30 MIN TO 427 45 MIN". There are no variable speed
limits in Toronto. The official speed limit on most highways in the
GTA is 100 km/h (90km/h on DVP and part of Gardiner, 80km/h on Allen)
but if the traffic is good this is widely ignored.

See example http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/wsXILLzjVIlOnxrOhQliRw/photo
(on northbound 427 near Burnhamthorpe, "16 MINS TO HWY 400 VIA
427/401")
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/zrfQjf2e2A5N-bcmLJyykQ/photo (on
eastbound 401 east of Bayview, "EXPRESS AND COLLECTOR MOVING WELL
BEYOND NEXT TRANSFER")

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

[Andrew MacKinnon]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Lauri Kytömaa  wrote:
> johnw wrote:
>>> traffic_sign=changing
>>> or
>> >traffic_sign=variable
>> The matrix displays and variable signs are very different.

I have being using guidepost=vms (for variable message sign) for
these. Electronic signs which tell you how bad the traffic is are
everywhere in the Greater Toronto Area on Highway 401, DVP, Gardiner,
etc.

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Re: [Tagging] large roof garden

[Andrew MacKinnon]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Blake Girardot  wrote:
> Hi Volker,
>
> I generally tag them with:
>
> roof:material=grass
>
> or
>
> roof:material=plants

The City of Toronto mandates "green roofs" on most new buildings. They
generally only cover part of the roof surface though.

Is it best to just tag the part of the roof that is a green roof with
landuse=grass?

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Re: [Tagging] a "letter box" for books

[Andrew MacKinnon]

On Sep 5, 2015 2:01 PM, "Carl von Einem"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for some ideas how to tag a feature I saw at a local library:
just outside the entrance it has a box that can be used to return books and
other media like CDs or DVDs, no matter if the library is still open or
not. It looks like a huge letter box, no receipt returned.

amenity=book_return is what I used. Every library has one.
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Re: [Tagging] Construction

[Andrew MacKinnon]

  On Aug 29, 2015, at 12:08 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
  Gardiner is still highway=motorway

 If the construction doesn't impact the maxspeed, the lanes, the
alignment, nor the classification of the road - then its not really under
construction. If the road changes alignment for a long time (like routing
around construction) - follow the new alignment and mark the construction
area with a tag.

 Usually digging a giant trench down a primary road to build underground
access (like the Los Angeles subway did)  either closes the road or
drastically changes its classification. (The 2 dead-ends become
residential, as it is for residents only / no through traffic.

The Gardiner is reduced to 2 lanes (was 3), the speed limit is lowered and
it is causing huge traffic jams.

Eglinton is still open, though there might be intermittent closures
sometimes, but the construction is causing a big mess (like narrowing from
4 to 2 lanes in random places, equipment blocking parts of the road, pylons
everywhere), various side streets are closed off at times, etc. This is to
build underground LRT, which is rather like subway except the eastern end
will run in the median of the road and it has 1/3 of the capacity of subway
(due to the bizarre municipal politics in Toronto).

Since OSM has no real time traffic data this is somewhat limited, but if I
am going from near Yonge and Eglinton to somewhere west of Toronto such as
Mississauga, invariably the router will tell me to go west on Eglinton then
north on Allen then west on 401. This is an awful route. It is better to go
north on Yonge or Avenue then west on 401 (though if the 401 is jammed
which it usually is then it is better to take Lawrence). A router ought to
avoid driving on roads tagged construction=yes, not sure how much it should
penalize them.
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Re: [Tagging] Construction

[Andrew MacKinnon]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
matkoni...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:29:58 -0400
 Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there any way to tag roads as being under construction but which
 are not closed to traffic? I was wondering because Eglinton Avenue in
 Toronto is under long term construction for the Eglinton LRT
 (underground light rail) which will not be finished until at least
 2020 and a suitably designed router ought to be programmed to avoid
 this and use a parallel route like Lawrence Avenue instead. I have
 added the tag construction=yes, but I am not sure if others are using
 this tag for this purpose.

 At least some people are using construction=yes as trolltag (with
 intended meaning equivalent to [highway=construction; construction=*]).

 which will not be finished until at least 2020

 In this situation I would decrease road class of partially closed road
 - for example from primary to residential in case where it is open to
   keep it usable for local residents but not intended for transit
   traffic. In so long-term cases it would be OK to tag also new
   maxspeed, lane count etc.

That doesn't make sense. Eglinton Avenue is not a residential road.
There are other construction projects in Toronto, like a section of
the Gardiner Expressway which is narrowed to 2 lanes for construction,
causing massive traffic jams (which we have a lot of in Toronto
anyway). The Gardiner is still highway=motorway.

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[Tagging] Construction

[Andrew MacKinnon]

Is there any way to tag roads as being under construction but which
are not closed to traffic? I was wondering because Eglinton Avenue in
Toronto is under long term construction for the Eglinton LRT
(underground light rail) which will not be finished until at least
2020 and a suitably designed router ought to be programmed to avoid
this and use a parallel route like Lawrence Avenue instead. I have
added the tag construction=yes, but I am not sure if others are using
this tag for this purpose.

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[Tagging] Sidewalk=none vs sidewalk=no

[Andrew MacKinnon]

Which is better, sidewalk=none or sidewalk=no? It seems like none is
more popular but no probably makes more sense because it is similar to
the tagging schemes used for other things like foot=no and bicycle=no.

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[Tagging] Self storage places

[Andrew MacKinnon]

How do you tag self storage places (e.g. Public Storage, etc.)? It
seems like man_made=storage is the most popular tag on taginfo but it
is unofficial. This needs to be made formal.

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[Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

[Andrew MacKinnon]

I would like to propose that the tag full_service=yes be used to tag
gas stations that are full serve (i.e. an attendant pumps gas, like
all gas stations in New Jersey and Oregon).

The tag self_service=yes is already used for gas stations, but some
gas stations are both self serve and full serve and charge a higher
price for full serve. Thus I think that self_service=no should not be
used in the context of gas stations.

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

[Andrew MacKinnon]

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:08 AM,  p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
 On Mon Jun 8 15:48:01 2015 GMT+0100, Andreas Goss wrote:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_and_Vehicle_Licensing_Agency
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles

 amenity=driver_vehicle_licensing_agency

I typically use office=government for this sort of thing. In Ontario
there is ServiceOntario which is an office for renewing driver's
licenses, health cards and other things in Ontario.

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Andrew MacKinnon]

 What is distinctive is that such places usually have specialist staff
 and stock suitable for professionals (but often in very small businesses
 who would not have the volume to buy from wholesalers), and will run
 business accounts using trade pricesand credit for them. But they are
 typically also very happy to deal with normal customers for whom they
 are just retailers.

A lot of Costco's customers are small businesses who buy wholesale
from Costco and then resell at higher prices, but many individuals
shop as well. So shop=wholesale is probably reasonable.

Is the consensus that Costco and Sam's Club, etc. should just be
tagged shop=supermarket and some other tag (like membership=yes)?

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[Tagging] Maxspeed

[Andrew MacKinnon]

How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At
least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with
a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed
limit sign and a higher general speed limit sign right beside each
other). I have used ramp_speed and curve_speed for this and taginfo
suggests that maxspeed:advised, maxspeed:advisory, recommended_speed
might be ways to tag this. See
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/nGxJnKpP2dootXNmp2eV_g for a typical
example of a ramp speed limit in Ottawa, Ontario (this one is 60km/h).

Also how do you tag maxspeed which is unsigned? In Ontario the default
speed limit is 50km/h in urban areas and 80km/h in rural areas when
not signed. However, there have been proposals to lower the lower
speed limit from 50km/h to 40km/h. I have been using maxspeed=national
for this, is there a better way to tag this?

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[Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Andrew MacKinnon]

I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell
large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warehouse_club. This tag has 320 uses
in taginfo already.

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