Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

2020-05-06 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Paul, this thread is not trying to convince you to go tag carillions. It's to figure out how to tag them, for people that *do *want to tag them and would find that useful. If it's not your thing that's fine, just sit this one out. Cheers, Brad On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:28 PM Paul Allen wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Waterway tributary role

2019-04-11 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Seems like this is essentially replaced by the destination key? On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 4:24 PM marc marc wrote: > Le 11.04.19 à 12:48, Eugene Podshivalov a écrit : > > > I could not find any reference on the wiki. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Frodrigo/Relation:Waterway >

Re: [Tagging] historic=archaeological_site with site_type=rock_art, rock_painting definitions

2019-04-01 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 7:55 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 06:47, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Within OSM 'we' could adopt that rock_art is where both carving and >> painting are used together? That would distinguish it from either of the >> above. >> >> >> There

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-29 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 2:14 PM Steven Estes wrote: > Sorry, I was confused. It looks the tag format would be > aeroway=holding_position:type=runway. > I think you have a typo here, in practice this would be two separate key/value tags: aeroway=holding_position and

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

2018-06-11 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Just an FYI, pet/service animal "relief areas" are now required in US airports of a certain size. That's probably why the four places tagged amenity=pet_relief_area are in US airports. See http://petfriendlytravel.com/airports On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:08 AM, José G Moya Y. wrote: > Thank you!

Re: [Tagging] Outdoor tribunes/ seating steps

2018-03-20 Thread Brad Neuhauser
The tags amenity=theatre, theatre:type=amphi is used for this: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/theatre%3Atype=amphi Kind of clunky, but at least doesn't assume it's a building. On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Tomasz Wójcik wrote: > I think there is a problem with outdoor

Re: [Tagging] Tagging fraction house numbers?

2018-03-12 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I found it hard to pull out usage of "1/2" through taginfo, but was able to search for usage of the UTF-8 version (½): https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%C2%BD#values It's used very few times (~200) and many are by the same user, which seems like more argument against using UTF-8. On

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for an American Wild & Scenic river

2018-02-02 Thread Brad Neuhauser
"Wild and Scenic River" is specifically mentioned on the wiki as boundary=protected_area, protect_class=5. Look at the table for nature-protected areas , and scroll down to the US section. Cheers, Brad On

Re: [Tagging] Unofficial name change of "Lake Calhoun" in Minneapolis, Minnesota

2017-06-08 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Hi I live in Minneapolis and am excited for this change. For Clifford and whoever else is interested, here's an article that has the Dakota pronunciation for Bde Maka Ska and some other area lakes: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/14/bdemakaska-lake-calhoun Locally there's been an increasing

Re: [Tagging] Tagging town/village/hamlet - am I misunderstanding something?

2017-03-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Two issues: 1) Recommended OSM tagging for place=* on smaller settlements is on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place#Populated_settlements.2C_urban_and_rural You can see it's based mainly on population and is not directly correlated to the form of government. Seems like

Re: [Tagging] Snowmobile routes

2016-09-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
es belonging to > local clubs. The underlying GIS data that were used for that map are free > for us to use, but I do NOT propose an import because they don't meet my > standards of data quality. Just to begin with, they are digitized at an > inappropriately small scale. > > On Mon, Se

Re: [Tagging] Snowmobile routes

2016-09-26 Thread Brad Neuhauser
It may not be "officially recognized" but route=snowmobile is used some [0], and IMHO makes a lot more sense than route=road! [0] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/route=snowmobile On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > I thought sure that I had

Re: [Tagging] Turn Lane Tagging?

2016-06-11 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: > On 2016-06-11 23:11, Tijmen Stam wrote: >> >> On 11-06-16 04:16, James Mast wrote: >>> I've been using the "turn:lanes:*=none;slight_right" & "slight_left;none" tags to indicate which side a new lane has been

Re: [Tagging] Model railroad exhibition/show

2016-05-22 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Subtagging tourism=attraction seems reasonable to me, such as tourism=attraction, attraction=model_railway There is a bit of usage of club=model_railway http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=model_railway#values On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging airport approach aid systems

2015-11-05 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Hi, I've been the person updating the aeroway=navigationaid wikipage over the past year or two, so I messaged geozeisig about the "Please use airmark=beacon instead" banner. It sounds like the German OSM community came up with the airmark=beacon scheme, and it is more fully documented on the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag cricket nets?

2015-09-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
There is a different approach that some have taken to use the sport as the key and indicate it is a practice area via the value, for example: golf=driving_range (sometimes on its own, sometimes with sport=golf, leisure=golf_course and/or leisure=pitch) [0] [1] baseball=batting_cage (usually with

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Richard ricoz@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:09:56PM -0500, Brad Neuhauser wrote: If this is like many fuel stations, it's probably just a roof with no walls. Typically, I've seen those tagged building=roof. In that case, the covered=* tag

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
If this is like many fuel stations, it's probably just a roof with no walls. Typically, I've seen those tagged building=roof. In that case, the covered=* tag seems redundant. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Isn’t that exactly the situation that

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

2015-05-12 Thread Brad Neuhauser
expectations of what goods they would find at a bakery. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-11 17:10 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged as bakery

Re: [Tagging] shop=confectionery / pastry / candy / sweets

2015-05-11 Thread Brad Neuhauser
In my experience, most places that sell pastries would be better tagged as bakery. Even if they only sell pastries (ie no bread), they do have to bake them, right? :) On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:43 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: There is confusion between monument and memorial ... suggest follow the definitions under the OSM tag historic .. where monument is large ... as in you can walk inside it, over it. memorial is small .. say a plaque As far

Re: [Tagging] Tag: shop: hifi

2015-05-01 Thread Brad Neuhauser
shop=hifi has almost 6000 uses, so it must fill a need for some people. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=hifi If hifi is too specific for you, you could always use shop=electronics. Also, there is this note on the hifi wiki page regarding hifi vs. electronics: The suggested distinction

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

2015-04-30 Thread Brad Neuhauser
+1 on addr:unit or ref over addr:housenumber. I think ref makes more sense than addr:unit on remote/isolated pitches (ie hike-in sites, not drive-in). In addition, I've seen cases where individual pitches are named instead of numbered. It's not mentioned, but to clarify, I'm assuming that would

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range

2015-04-13 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Usually we have names for the area where things take place (pitch, track, pool) and the sport (sport=*) A range is one of those places. Usually there are no mixed ranges (archery and rifles, etc) are separate So leisure=range + sport=archery for an archery range or sport=shooting for a

Re: [Tagging] sport=shooting Shooting Range

2015-04-13 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I get your, er, point, although I don't think you would want to randomly wander into a batting cage or hockey rink in the middle of practice either. :) The bigger issue is there are over 1300 sport=archery tags, and both on the wiki and in actual usage, leisure=pitch (or sports_centre) is what's

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
We always recommend that all natural and cultural features are tagged as per OSM Wiki only add Seamark tags where there is a non-coincident definition and the nautical definition is of special navigational importance. Locks their gates do not fall into that category so we do not

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
For boat navigation purposes this should be crosslinked: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Gates Isn't it the other way around? That is, the people who tagged seagate:category:gate=lock (24 objects) should be making sure to also tag waterway=lock_gate (15K objects), not vice

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk

2015-03-12 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I'm wondering, there seems to be potential overlap with tourism=information. From what is written on the reception desk page, it seems like the main difference is that the tag reception_desk also controls access to a site, and a reception desk which only gives information may as well be tagged

Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree

2015-02-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
diameter crown also doesn't appear to be vernacular English, unfortunately. Crown diameter or crown spread seem to be more widely used. For example, see http://www.treeterms.co.uk/definitions/crown-diameter, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_crown_measurement#Crown_Spread_Methodologies On

Re: [Tagging] Practice pitch?

2015-02-22 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Personally I'd probably include leisure=pitch. Maybe for some people, the batting cage is the game? :) I think baseball=batting_cage makes sense (like golf's driving range). The golf example doesn't make clear whether it'd be best to include the sport tag too. I'm inclined to include

Re: [Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-22 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Thanks for the feedback! portage=* was my initial instinct, but I was starting to second guess after finding the other tags. Cheers, Brad On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: This seems like a good place for highway=path + portage=yes Because these are

Re: [Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-22 Thread Brad Neuhauser
on the highway ? Cheers fly Am 22.02.2015 um 15:25 schrieb Brad Neuhauser: Thanks for the feedback! portage=* was my initial instinct, but I was starting to second guess after finding the other tags. Cheers, Brad On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote

[Tagging] tag for portages?

2015-02-21 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Hi, I'd like to add some tags for canoe portages ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portage) in wilderness areas. These would be trails tagged highway=path plus some tag to designate that they're used for portaging between lakes. I have found three different tags that are currently used to tag

Re: [Tagging] ?=maze

2015-02-20 Thread Brad Neuhauser
The maze/labyrinth distinction is there. When I hear of modern labyrinths, it's usually in the context of religious/spiritual uses (since there's only one way, it lends itself to a walking meditation). Mazes are generally like a recreational puzzle, where you're trying to find your way. Whether

Re: [Tagging] length=

2015-01-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Quick note: for milestones, the tag used is distance, not length. There's a wiki page with all unit tags if you're into that sort of thing: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features/Units On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Just FYI, at OSM-PL

Re: [Tagging] Adding water=fishpond to the wiki

2015-01-04 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Have you looked at what tagging people are using (if any) within landuse=aquaculture and/or landuse=fishfarm areas? On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-04 20:25 GMT+01:00 Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: But we have also yet an existing tag

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-03 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Not sure why a church / temple/ shrine/ mosque landuse would be drawn any differently than an office park or a retail shop. This could get interesting. St Matthew Lutheran in Beaverton, OR has a Les Schwab Tire Center

Re: [Tagging] Mapping of kids areas

2014-12-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
About supervision vs. childcare, we have lots of free supervised playgrounds here which do not offer child care, and and I have no experience with staffed child care facilties at malls etc. But for me amenity=kindergarten seems to be an good match to child_care you would have in a mall. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - admin_title=*

2014-12-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Sorry, the German examples don't mean much to me. Do the examples below show what you're proposing? name=Chicago, admin_title=city, admin_level... name=California, admin_title=state, admin_level On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: This is about a new

Re: [Tagging] natural=bay as nodes are evil

2014-10-30 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I think this appears to be the reference Richard mentioned: http://www.iho-ohi.net/iho_pubs/standard/S-23/S23_1953.pdf On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 08:41:18AM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: Could we try an example to see whether

Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=mall versus shop=shopping_centre

2014-10-21 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I agree with Matthjis--I don't see much of a clearly defined and widely agreed on difference between the two. Given that, and the small usage of shopping_centre, I agree with should deprecate shopping_centre. Cheers, Brad On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

Re: [Tagging] service= tag confusion

2014-10-20 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I see from the page history that I added service=* to the wiki page, but I'm sorry to say I cannot remember exactly why. :( While service=* is definitely in use with car repair shops, it does seem to create the possibility of confusion. I'd be happy to at least change the wording to indicate this,

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
In addition to tomb=* and cemetery=grave, there's also this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Grave The proposal states it is mainly for [graves] without historic value And, it doesn't recommend using relation=person ;) On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:00 AM, sabas88

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
responses inline On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-16 16:14 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: In addition to tomb=* and cemetery=grave, there's also this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Problems with historic=tomb

2014-10-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I do not understand the mainly for graves without historic value part. Does this exclude graves with historic value, or is it simply a hint that there are far more graves for ordinary people than there are for famous ones? I don't know, but my guess would be it was in counterpoint to the

Re: [Tagging] cleanup of the key natural

2014-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Hi Martin, regarding the wiki page, I'm assuming you're talking about Frankthetankk's edits? I'm not seeing what the issue is. Could you clarify what change you see as disputable? Thanks, Brad On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: snip Additionally

Re: [Tagging] tagging for graves?

2014-10-01 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Thanks for the reply Martin, I'd seen you weighing in on this on the wiki. On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-09-30 18:04 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: Hi all, I noticed a user adding some individual grave sites

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a landmark clock

2014-09-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
How about man_made=tower instead of historic=tower? You could also add start_date=1903 to show the age. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: How should this clock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamberlain_Clock

Re: [Tagging] leisure=common

2014-08-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
So is leisure=common supposed to be distinct from landuse=village_green? Your search makes it seem like you're talking about the same thing. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I believe it

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
As we all know, rendering is different from tagging. If people want to change how place_of_worship is rendered, that's a different issue for a different venue. This is about how to tag the data. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with place_of_worship only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. I hear what you're saying, but with a tag that's used 600K times (on 226K ways), we have to look at actual usage for part of our guidance.

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
of landuse=religious. Martin also mentioned putting religion=* and operator=* (and maybe other tags that apply, like amenity=monastery for a monastery) on a way around the area. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Brad Neuhauser

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Schools are an interesting case for comparison, as on the surface they seem similar. But here's where I see the distinction: many times the entire school grounds is used for school activities (including things like building, playground, sports pitch, parking, etc). But with place of worship, it

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I don't know what John's example is, but it would make sense to me to include the private residence if it is a place where people who are part of the religious community live, for example a parsonage or a dormitory of a monastery. Regarding gardens, they may have a religious purpose (meditation

Re: [Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas

2014-07-09 Thread Brad Neuhauser
MapQuest Open seems to have a good compromise in this case--the tunnel is rendered above the buildings, but is partly transparent (to allow the user to see other features) and has more prominent dashed casing (to indicate it is below-ground). On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Matthijs Melissen

Re: [Tagging] tree shrines

2014-07-09 Thread Brad Neuhauser
In the US, most of these sort of things are markers where people died in accidents. Wikipedia calls them roadside memorials ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_memorial), and I guess that might be the most common term in the US. Shrine, to my ears, has a different, more specifically

Re: [Tagging] tree shrines

2014-07-09 Thread Brad Neuhauser
What Jesse said. :) Including that they're often relatively temporary. That might explain why there are so few in the US compared to Europe? I'd seen this discussion before and thought it was kind of obscure, then just looked at taginfo and was surprised by how many there are--wow! I'd seen

Re: [Tagging] Fireplace, Fire Pit, BBQ Grill

2014-06-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I would agree with Martin and disagree with John there. I guess I have a broader definition of fire pit/ring as something that exists mainly to contain a fire on the ground, and which may or may not be used for cooking. I'd call the Grillplatz image a fire pit or ring. A fire ring could just be a

Re: [Tagging] Fireplace, Fire Pit, BBQ Grill

2014-06-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
. Rather than introducing other tags, would it be better to just better define and document what firepit should be used for? On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-06-23 16:22 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I would agree

Re: [Tagging] Fireplace, Fire Pit, BBQ Grill

2014-06-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
an indication of the function the structure serves as the specific makeup of the structure itself. On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-06-23 17:08 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I get what you're saying, but I think

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

2014-03-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
It might be good to see if any of these ideas are in use, despite lack of documentation. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/landuse A couple potentially useful tags I noticed scanning through the list of landuse=* values were 1) landuse=religious has 1100 uses 2) landuse=school and

Re: [Tagging] tag proposal for soft play centres

2013-10-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Instead of soft play, what about indoor play (or indoor play area/centre)? 1) it seems to be used as a catch all sometimes, even in the UK (ie - http://www.timeout.com/london/events/indoor-play-centres-in-london or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (automated_external_defibrillator)

2013-09-30 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Just FYI, they are becoming more common in public places (offices, malls, airports, schools, etc) in the US. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 18:59 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 30 September 2013 18:22, fly

Re: [Tagging] mapping qanats

2013-09-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
man_made=pipeline, pipeline=qanat? This is similar to how the aqueduct page proposes to tag modern aqueducts, but qanats seem a distinct type of structure from aqueducts due to the vertical wells. (And I agree with John's point that it is not really like a pipeline, but I'd argue that OSM often

Re: [Tagging] School and training

2013-09-06 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Two big counter-examples to your argument are restaurants and places of worship: If I'm looking for a [Chinese restaurant or Catholic church] I am not interested in finding also a [pizza restaurant or Synagogue] That said, what you're proposing (separate amenity tags for different types of other

Re: [Tagging] School and training

2013-09-06 Thread Brad Neuhauser
way. I thought that's what you were advocating for? If not, please clarify. Brad On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/9/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com Two big counter-examples to your argument are restaurants and places

Re: [Tagging] Ace Hardware

2013-08-30 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I don't like the co-op tag because normally co-op has the connotation that the user of the store is a co-op member, not that the store is at a higher level. i agree. a coop tag used in this manner will lead to confusion and mistagging. +1 ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (man_made=silo)

2013-08-20 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Sorry I wasn't clear, Pieren, I meant man_made=silo is in general use (20K uses). I'm not sure what you mean about silo=*. Cheers, Brad On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: My

Re: [Tagging] road side

2013-08-19 Thread Brad Neuhauser
for better or worse, shoulder has ~1500 uses, verge has zero. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=shoulder On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Craig Wallace wrote: Sounds like you mean the shoulder. See

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (man_made=silo)

2013-08-19 Thread Brad Neuhauser
My understanding is that tags in general use don't need a vote. Assuming that's correct, I've updated the man_made=silo page with info from the proposal. (Although from taginfo, few existing silos have additional tags) Brad On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us-nps] Feature Proposal - RFC - ranger_station

2013-08-12 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Thomas, you say the tag should apply to facilities housing law enforcement and/or visitor assistant services but then say it shouldn't be used on facilities that do not include a law enforcement function. This seems contradictory, unless you didn't really mean that or. Also, does this law

Re: [Tagging] historic=vicarage

2013-08-02 Thread Brad Neuhauser
FWIW, rectory seems to be the main wikipedia entry for these sorts of buildings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectory That page also has some description of what denomination/region tends to use what term. I notice in the talk page there that someone suggested clergy house would be a more

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Based on voting thus far, this is a non-starter, mostly based on the new bread_bakery tag. I think there would be a lot more support if it only proposed to 1) clarify the confectionery tag, and 2) add the Types of Bakery Goods tags. Brad On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I usually find a variety of breads, rolls, muffins, croissants, pastries etc at bakeries here in the US, but it could be I like European-style bakeries :) Brad On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/6/26 Murry McEntire

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Bryce, this is entirely a rendering issue. Map creators can (and always to some degree do) select to display only features with certain tags, or that have names, or are of a certain size, etc, depending on their audience and what they're trying to show. For example, notable buildings for

[Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013-06-02 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Umm, what's wrong with shop=bakery? On Sunday, June 2, 2013, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd like to advertise the tag shop=pastry for places that sell (and usually produce) sweet bakery products pastry, cakes, biscuits, strudel etc. opposed to what usually is referred to as confectionery

Re: [Tagging] pastry and confectionery

2013-06-02 Thread Brad Neuhauser
To me, wikipedia captures well the English usage of bakery: A *bakery* (or *baker's shop*) is an establishmenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment which produces and sells flour http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour-based food baked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baking in an

Re: [Tagging] Fast Food Restaurants

2013-05-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
When I write software to get the label of an object, I always use brand or operator over name. How does this work for something like a school, where the name is the individual school's name, but the school district is the operator? Brad ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Bridges redux

2013-05-10 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Friday, May 10, 2013, Martin Vonwald wrote: 2013/5/10 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'rich...@systemed.net'); OSM's most valuable resource is mappers. We should therefore optimise tagging schemes for ease of mapping. +1 +1

Re: [Tagging] Surge tank

2013-04-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Le vendredi 19 avril 2013, Pieren a écrit : I would not create a special page for this but just enhance the current wiki about man_made=pipeline (in type=water section). If I introduce a new tag, a new tag descriptive page is mandatory. If a page explain what is a pipeline system, of

Re: [Tagging] Landuse vs Place - conversation at talk-key-landuse in wiki

2013-02-15 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I would disagree that place=neighbourhood implies landuse=residential: I know of neighborhoods that are mostly industrial or commercial landuse. Brad On Friday, February 15, 2013, wrote: This is a posting on the wiki which I've responded to --

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] RFC - Adding UN LOCODE tags to OSM

2013-02-04 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Doug, Since you're pretty knowledgable about this topic, it'd probably also be good if you could flesh out the harbor:LOCODE page on the wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:harbour:LOCODE). It's part of this big harbour proposal: wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour

Re: [Tagging] Follow-up on Time Domains

2013-01-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I don't think three letters is quite as universal as you think. It's also really common in English to use M,T,W,T,F,S,S (in context) or M,Tu,W,Th,F,Sa,Su or variations. Since we have a defacto OSM standard with two letters (the opening_hours key has over 100K uses), and it's unambiguous, this

Re: [Tagging] cycleway Tagging and Wiki-Page

2013-01-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
To me, the Schutzstreifen example should be tagged a bike lane. This page discusses an example of what I'd see as the shared lane (see photo at bottom of page)... http://www.bikewalktwincities.org/news-events/news/biking-walking-and-blogging-what-bicyclists-may-use-full-lane (tl;dr: by state

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?

2012-07-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I'd agree, it definitely doesn't look like a trailer park or camp site. Landuse=residential would cover it without you having to get into wordsmithing. There was some discussion on extending landuse=residential with residential=* tags:

Re: [Tagging] reservoir_type=tailings

2012-06-14 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I've only heard tailings used to refer to the waste from mining. Regarding wastewater treatment, I'm assuming other reservoir_types discussed were things like sedimentation and aeration? Brad On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Today we had a

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread Brad Neuhauser
But in the US the administrative municipality for an address may be different than the city that is used for mailing to that address, which is regulated by the US Post Office (and I think tied to zip code). For example, residences in villages or towns may have a larger city/town nearby as their

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Coffee Roasting

2011-12-14 Thread Brad Neuhauser
You could also add coffee_roasting=yes to cafes if they roast their own beans? BTW, the proposed feature page is misspelled: needs another F Cheers, Brad On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote: :D working on maps software for the blind I like that.

Re: [Tagging] Explain sport=multi

2011-12-08 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Another outdoors example is at a park or school where there is a field which is used for various sports--soccer, baseball, football, etc (even ice hockey when they create a rink for the winter)--at different times. On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote:

Re: [Tagging] Wide steps

2011-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.dewrote: Am 07.10.2011 20:18, schrieb David Earl: The additional highway:steps would stay at separate ways on top of the area. This shouldn't be necessary, any more than any other highway area. It's like putting a

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Martin, I'm not sure the NYC example is helping. You mentioned this was discussed on the German mailing list--can you give some other examples from Germany (or whereever) about how this might be used? Thanks, Brad On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=quarter, Parts of settlements, proposed hierarchy: suburb - quarter - neighbourhood

2011-09-27 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Based on earlier discussions of place=suburb [1], I think it's good to start from an understanding that suburb as used in OSM does not match the common understanding of suburb in the US. [2] That said, I don't yet see the need for quarter. Both suburb and neighborhood are vaguely defined as it

Re: [Tagging] RFC: place=neighbourhood

2011-08-31 Thread Brad Neuhauser
First off, I like this proposal too and think it's a long time coming. But, some references made me go and read the place=suburb wiki page again, and that tag seems very similar, so can that distinction be clarified? That is, why would one choose suburb over city/town/village or neighbourhood?

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011-07-01 Thread Brad Neuhauser
just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki in use is amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:41 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/30 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com:

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution for (large numbers of) people associated with that institution. For example, housing for university students. Not sure if the large numbers of helps or hurts, thus the parentheses. This

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Brad Neuhauser
why not just stick with building=residential then? On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: I think it'd make sense to broaden the definition: Sleeping and living quarters provided by an institution

Re: [Tagging] building=dormitory for monasteries?

2011-06-06 Thread Brad Neuhauser
on a ship) On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/6 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: why not just stick with building=residential then? actually in the case of a monastery I would prefer dormitory because it is a dedicated place

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - childcare

2011-05-09 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I notice the suggested rendering is similar to schools. Don't know about other areas, but in the US, many childcare centers are run out of private homes, so that rendering might seem a little strange. Maybe in that case a node is a better choice. Also, if you really want to get into the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - daycare

2011-04-21 Thread Brad Neuhauser
adult day care might be taken care of by social_facility=outreach? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:social_facility On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 4/21/11 7:46 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: On 21/04/2011 16:13, Flaimo wrote: created a

Re: [Tagging] steel worker and smaller concrete structures on site

2011-04-15 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I think Josh's joke does get to a serious answer to your question: I don't think you should use the word that describes the worker, but the word that describes the work. However, I see that in the craft=* space (is this where you're heading with this Martin?) most of the tags do describe the

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