Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists
On 15-01-22 01:44 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:08:49 +0100 From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists Message-ID: CAJKJX-S3rCtHqSH+22+zrn0H5k6_ATTTOcmZmdcESYeK6k=1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In this thread we are also most interested in multiple values. I know :-) I have to add fuel to a heated discussion, but in the whole exchange on whether or not semicolon lists should be allowed/used, the most obvious example (to me) that requires semicolon lists was not mentionned, namely: opening hours. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours I've tried before to collect data on parking restrictions in the city of montreal (Canada). Parking restricted/allowed times are an example of geographical data that requires a time description. I don't think the problem can be solved by relations. Simply because parking is allowed on two different streets between 2 and 3 pm, does not mean they're related. As noted on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation#Types_of_relation They are not designed to hold loosely associated but widely spread items. It would be inappropriate, for instance, to use a relation to group 'All footpaths in East Anglia'. Similarly, holding all street segments for which parking is allowed between 2 and 3pm on the island of montreal in a relation strikes me as a bad idea. Substituting opening_hours = Mo-We 08:00-17:00; Th-Fr 08:00-21:00 to opening_hours:Mo-We 08:00-17:00 = yes opening_hours:Th-Fr 08:00-21:00 = yes would in my opinion lead to an inordinate number of subkeys. For example, in montreal alone, there are about 65000 different types of city parking signs. Let's say the number of individual distinct parking restrictions is only 10% of that, there would still be 6500 different subkeys (looking only at my city only). To make a long story short, this example, to me, shows that semicolon lists should stay in the tagging scheme. I would suggest discussing: A) For which keys and/or type of data are semicolon lists pertinent? B) How can semicolon lists be handled better in the different editors? as separate topics. Right now the two topics seem intertwined, which strikes me as less productive. With nothing but regards to all, Charles ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] opening-hours: how to code always but...? Syntax diagram.
If I understand the opening_hours wiki page correctly you're missing a semicolon and the correct input should be: opening_hours=24/7; Fr 14:00-22:00 off Does that work? Alternatively, omitting the 24/7 part would be correct as it's implied if the off range is not preceded by anything opening_hours=Fr 14:00-22:00 off Personally I'm a fan of explicit rules. Charles André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency
If I may insert myself into the conversation. I looked at the opening_hours syntax recently when learning about parking specifications. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours#Syntax Something like that could be used to specify different frequencies with time of year. ferry:schedule:default:journeys=2/day ferry:schedule:time_interval=Apr-Oct:journeys=4/day I'm ad-libing over the following here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane Cheers, Charles On 10/04/2013 04:49 PM, Dudley Ibbett wrote: One thing that you may also need to consider is that the timetables and therefore number of journeys a day may depend on the month as there are often summer and winter timetables. Regards Dudley Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:28:26 -0700 From: rich...@systemed.net To: Tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency Thanks all - some great suggestions. To clarify, I'm not looking to put detailed timetable information in (that properly belongs in a GTFS feed or somesuch, not OSM), just a broad-brush indication to help routing engines. Based on Richard M's and Janko's suggestions, I'm tempted to use: journeys=4/hour journeys=2 or journeys=2/day journeys=on_demand to indicate, respectively, four journeys in each direction per day; two journeys in each direction per day; and the sort of ferry where you go to the bank, wave the ferryman down, and he comes to take you across. That avoids any confusion about frequency (a tram might have both meanings!) and is simple both for the mapper and for the consumer. I note there's also a reservation= tag (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:reservation) which will be useful for ferries where booking in advance is required. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Ferry-frequency-tp5780010p5780141.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] parking:lane tag with month of year restrictions
All, I've contributed to osm in the past, though I tend to do edits for a little bit then disappear for a long while. I recently had an idea for an app, which required me to have street parking data for the city of Montréal and since it's not in osm yet I thought I would start adding it. [Enough of personal context.] My question is specifically about specifying month varying parking restrictions. I found the following page on the wiki which describes how to add street parking information with time restrictions: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane The problem is that Montréal has month specific parking restrictions. A typical example is: Right side of the street: April to October, Anytime except Tuesday between noon and 14:00 November to March, Anytime except Monday, Wednesday, Friday between 13:00 and 17:00. Left side of the street: April to October, Anytime except Monday between noon and 14:00 November to March, Anytime except Tuesday and Thursday between 13:00 and 17:00. Is there a concensus on how to indicate restrictions that vary on different months. I tried searching the list archives but didn't find anything on that particular question. The simplest method would probably to use default=free and add a no_parking time_interval restriction, so the proper syntax would look like (for the April to October restrictions): parking:condition:right=parallel parking:condition:right=no_parking parking:condition:right:time_interval=Tu 12:00-14:00 parking:condition:right:default=free I would like to be able to specify (for the whole year): parking:condition:right=parallel parking:condition:right=no_parking parking:condition:right:time_interval=Nov-Mar Mo 13:00-17:00;Nov-Mar We 13:00-17:00; Nov-Mar We 13:00-17:00;Apr-Oct Tu 12:00-14:00 parking:condition:right:default=free Is this already possible or does this need to be the subject of a proper proposal and discussion? Cheers, Charles ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] parking:lane tag with month of year restrictions
Sorry for the extra traffic. I found the answer to my own question by following the link to key:opening_hours. Cheers, Charles On 09/18/2013 04:25 PM, Charles Basenga Kiyanda wrote: All, I've contributed to osm in the past, though I tend to do edits for a little bit then disappear for a long while. I recently had an idea for an app, which required me to have street parking data for the city of Montréal and since it's not in osm yet I thought I would start adding it. [Enough of personal context.] My question is specifically about specifying month varying parking restrictions. I found the following page on the wiki which describes how to add street parking information with time restrictions: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking:lane The problem is that Montréal has month specific parking restrictions. A typical example is: Right side of the street: April to October, Anytime except Tuesday between noon and 14:00 November to March, Anytime except Monday, Wednesday, Friday between 13:00 and 17:00. Left side of the street: April to October, Anytime except Monday between noon and 14:00 November to March, Anytime except Tuesday and Thursday between 13:00 and 17:00. Is there a concensus on how to indicate restrictions that vary on different months. I tried searching the list archives but didn't find anything on that particular question. The simplest method would probably to use default=free and add a no_parking time_interval restriction, so the proper syntax would look like (for the April to October restrictions): parking:condition:right=parallel parking:condition:right=no_parking parking:condition:right:time_interval=Tu 12:00-14:00 parking:condition:right:default=free I would like to be able to specify (for the whole year): parking:condition:right=parallel parking:condition:right=no_parking parking:condition:right:time_interval=Nov-Mar Mo 13:00-17:00;Nov-Mar We 13:00-17:00; Nov-Mar We 13:00-17:00;Apr-Oct Tu 12:00-14:00 parking:condition:right:default=free Is this already possible or does this need to be the subject of a proper proposal and discussion? Cheers, Charles ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
